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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 12, 2019 10:06:45 GMT -7
I am actually feeling Gordon's position here. He has to try to get his now. He is just protecting himself, I don't blame him. You get your big contract after your rookie deal. He waits this year out, and he will be one year older in a position that doesn't have the value that it used to, and is very leery about age. Telesco has options here. Including, here is a big deal after this season, or you can have this smaller deal now. How about a 2 and 1. 2 year contact, 3rd year team option. Lots of options. Plenty of options....like not doing anything. Gordon can play, or sit.....his choice. He is under contract, and that means the organization holds the better cards. The Bolts do not need Gordon to win, having him just makes winning more likely. Ahhhhhhh... The Montreal Business Model: Make moves that make winning less likely. Pfffffffffffttttttt McRugby says Troymaine Pope can replace him.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 12, 2019 10:36:17 GMT -7
I am actually feeling Gordon's position here. He has to try to get his now. He is just protecting himself, I don't blame him. You get your big contract after your rookie deal. He waits this year out, and he will be one year older in a position that doesn't have the value that it used to, and is very leery about age. Telesco has options here. Including, here is a big deal after this season, or you can have this smaller deal now. How about a 2 and 1. 2 year contact, 3rd year team option. Lots of options. It doesn't sound like MG and his agent are interested in any of those options. Reports are that he wants a Gurley top-of-the-market contract (i.e., 4 years) ... which coincidentally may turn out to be a millstone around the Rams' neck if Gurley's play (following his second knee injury) doesn't reverse itself in 2019.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 12, 2019 11:21:10 GMT -7
I am actually feeling Gordon's position here. He has to try to get his now. He is just protecting himself, I don't blame him. You get your big contract after your rookie deal. He waits this year out, and he will be one year older in a position that doesn't have the value that it used to, and is very leery about age. Telesco has options here. Including, here is a big deal after this season, or you can have this smaller deal now. How about a 2 and 1. 2 year contact, 3rd year team option. Lots of options. It doesn't sound like MG and his agent are interested in any of those options. Reports are that he wants a Gurley top-of-the-market contract (i.e., 4 years) ... which coincidentally may turn out to be a millstone around the Rams' neck if Gurley's play (following his second knee injury) doesn't reverse itself in 2019. GURLEY MONEY !!!! Dear Mojo, does he think we just have money to burn around here ?......."Reports".....I'd like to know what he'd really take......
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Post by ChargingBolts on Jul 12, 2019 15:02:22 GMT -7
I'm fine rolling with JJ & Ek and saving the $$ hopefully a team will see that Gordon is better than any #1 draft pick due to his productivity history and his tenure to where we can hopefully get a #1 & #2 or #3?
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Post by NoMoreChillies on Jul 13, 2019 0:11:05 GMT -7
so many times we see a team pay big $$$ to 1 player, only to witness other positions suffer coz they cant pay everyone.
THIS SUCKS
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 13, 2019 4:24:12 GMT -7
I'm fine rolling with JJ & Ek and saving the $$ hopefully a team will see that Gordon is better than any #1 draft pick due to his productivity history and his tenure to where we can hopefully get a #1 & #2 or #3? I don't quite have the proper reply, so I'm not posting one.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 13, 2019 4:26:43 GMT -7
so many times we see a team pay big $$$ to 1 player, only to witness other positions suffer coz they cant pay everyone. THIS SUCKS The big picture is it is all the death kiss of having multiple good draft years. All these guys come due after their rookie contracts. You are correct sir. You cannot pay them all.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 13, 2019 4:35:02 GMT -7
Huh ? They can do a new deal over breakfast tomorrow if they want to.
I'll have McRugby break it down for you.
Not if they want PR, Bosa and others in 2020. Irreplaceable Bosa will get a new deal before season 5 of rookie contract starts, not the fungible RB. And they’ll lock up PR over the next 6 weeks with hardly any cap space available, not Gordon. You got it right when you said “wait for 2020, we’ll take care of you then” is what Melvin and his agent were certainly told. RB’s have no leverage in the NFL, so he’s likely to be in uniform in late August at the latest. His 5 sacks last year is irreplaceable ? Now you can post he was injured. So you want Mega contracts for injured players ? His injury will be arthritis of the foot that you are paying millions for. Expect a big year for Bosa. He's playing for his big contract right now. If he has to rip off his 4 years bad foot off and throw it at the QB, I'm sure he will. REACT TO MY SPLASH OF REALITY !!!!!! FLAME ME FLAME ME FLAME ME !!!!!!!!!!! ONLY I KEEP IT REAL !!!!
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 13, 2019 7:35:25 GMT -7
Not if they want PR, Bosa and others in 2020. Irreplaceable Bosa will get a new deal before season 5 of rookie contract starts, not the fungible RB. And they’ll lock up PR over the next 6 weeks with hardly any cap space available, not Gordon. You got it right when you said “wait for 2020, we’ll take care of you then” is what Melvin and his agent were certainly told. RB’s have no leverage in the NFL, so he’s likely to be in uniform in late August at the latest. His 5 sacks last year is irreplaceable ? Now you can post he was injured. So you want Mega contracts for injured players ? His injury will be arthritis of the foot that you are paying millions for. Expect a big year for Bosa. He's playing for his big contract right now. If he has to rip off his 4 years bad foot off and throw it at the QB, I'm sure he will. REACT TO MY SPLASH OF REALITY !!!!!! FLAME ME FLAME ME FLAME ME !!!!!!!!!!! ONLY I KEEP IT REAL !!!! Sign Bosa......or sign Gordon...... Is there even a question. No there is not, as both are under contract.
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Post by moekid on Jul 13, 2019 7:43:45 GMT -7
Not if they want PR, Bosa and others in 2020. Irreplaceable Bosa will get a new deal before season 5 of rookie contract starts, not the fungible RB. And they’ll lock up PR over the next 6 weeks with hardly any cap space available, not Gordon. You got it right when you said “wait for 2020, we’ll take care of you then” is what Melvin and his agent were certainly told. RB’s have no leverage in the NFL, so he’s likely to be in uniform in late August at the latest. His 5 sacks last year is irreplaceable ? Now you can post he was injured. So you want Mega contracts for injured players ? His injury will be arthritis of the foot that you are paying millions for. Expect a big year for Bosa. He's playing for his big contract right now. If he has to rip off his 4 years bad foot off and throw it at the QB, I'm sure he will. REACT TO MY SPLASH OF REALITY !!!!!! FLAME ME FLAME ME FLAME ME !!!!!!!!!!! ONLY I KEEP IT REAL !!!! He missed 4 games as a rookie and 8-9 last year. When he held out as a rookie half the fans wanted him gone already. Now we can’t do without him? Tyrod Taylor is making $5.5m to hold a clipboard |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 13, 2019 8:03:57 GMT -7
His 5 sacks last year is irreplaceable ? Now you can post he was injured. So you want Mega contracts for injured players ? His injury will be arthritis of the foot that you are paying millions for. Expect a big year for Bosa. He's playing for his big contract right now. If he has to rip off his 4 years bad foot off and throw it at the QB, I'm sure he will. REACT TO MY SPLASH OF REALITY !!!!!! FLAME ME FLAME ME FLAME ME !!!!!!!!!!! ONLY I KEEP IT REAL !!!! He missed 4 games as a rookie and 8-9 last year. When he held out as a rookie half the fans wanted him gone already. Now we can’t do without him? Tyrod Taylor is making $5.5m to hold a clipboardNFL wanting an 18 game season, but limiting players to availability of only 16 games played, might make Taylor even more important of an asset.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jul 13, 2019 10:31:49 GMT -7
Gordon is a good back. But he’s just not a great one. Hold on to him, don’t budge, let him sit, and then trade him to someone who wants to deal with the insane contract negotiations they’re looking for. Either he changes his tune and gets with reality, or he leaves and the Bolts get rid of someone who is quickly becoming cancer. The Bolts win this one no matter how it goes.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jul 13, 2019 10:33:36 GMT -7
He missed 4 games as a rookie and 8-9 last year. When he held out as a rookie half the fans wanted him gone already. Now we can’t do without him? Tyrod Taylor is making $5.5m to hold a clipboardNFL wanting an 18 game season, but limiting players to availability of only 16 games played, might make Taylor even more important of an asset. Unless they change the roster structure and rules altogether it’s hard to imagine how that kind of split availability would work. Preseason games become regular season games #1 and #2, cuts after? Nuts. |
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Post by cthommes on Jul 13, 2019 11:00:45 GMT -7
Trade him to the Dolphins or Bengals. Get it done yesterday. Let him finish out his career with no shot at anything.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 13, 2019 11:28:20 GMT -7
Just spitballing numbers here, but I could very well see the Chargers having made an offer something like this:
4 years / $45 million
$16 million signing bonus ($4 million / year cap hit over life of contract)
Year 1 salary: $2 million guaranteed ($6 million cap charge)
Year 2 salary: $7 million guaranteed for injury or if he is still on roster three days prior to the start of free agency ($11 million cap charge)
Year 3 salary: $9 million not guaranteed ($13 million cap charge)
Year 4 salary: $11 million not guaranteed ($15 million cap charge)
This way, MG gets money upfront with the hit being spread over 4 years and will give MG a shot at UFA status early in his mid20’s. On the other side, it also protectsthe Chargers in the event that the RB who has already had microfracture surgery on one knee and suffered another knee injury last year continues to miss a lot of football or doesn’t put up close to top-of-the-league production.
However, if a player and agent are looking for a Todd Gurley top-of-the-market contract, such an offer would be viewed as being an insulting one.
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