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Post by sdc on Mar 2, 2019 14:37:42 GMT -7
Rosen sucks balls.
Can I say that here?
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Post by Chargeroo on Mar 2, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -7
Rosen sucks balls. Can I say that here? I'm sure you mean 'he throws ball'. That's what QB's do. 
All the speculation aside, I totally doubt the Cards would give up on Rosen after one season. They are probably trying to lure some QB hungry team to move up and give them a bundle for the #1 spot.
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Post by topcat on Mar 2, 2019 15:51:38 GMT -7
Wood, you were the biggest one on the pre-draft Lamp bandwagon, and I agreed with you. Why not give him at least one more "prove it" year, kind of like Mike Williams? I am trading for Rosen. That is the key piece. Very accurate. Some mobility. If you're trading for Rosen, you must be rooting for the Gnats, Jags, Cheatriots, Bucs, Fins or Skins, because those are the teams rumored to be in the running for Rosen:
"New York Giants
The Giants’ efforts to create a contingency plan for life after Eli Manning have all failed spectacularly, and Kyle Lauletta’s awful performance in an extremely small sample size suggests he’s another link in that proud chain. Now that Manning’s locked in for at least one more year in blue, acquiring Rosen would give the team an exit strategy for 2020.
Rosen was a talent who had Giants fans and analysts salivating last spring, and shipping off an early second-round pick for him would give the club a dream 2018 scenario of having both the UCLA passer and reigning offensive rookie of the year Saquon Barkley on the same roster. It might be a tough sell for a rebuilding team that needs help across its depth chart, however; New York only has two picks before Day 3 of the draft after selecting cornerback Sam Beal in the third round of last year’s supplemental draft.
Jacksonville Jaguars
The Jags are the clubhouse leaders to sign Nick Foles, but adding a 30-year-old quarterback with a career passer rating of 74.2 outside of Philadelphia may not be the panacea Jacksonville craves. While Foles could be a solid stopgap option, the franchise could also insulate itself for the future by adding a player who could develop alongside the veteran whose guidance helped Carson Wentz make the leap from overwhelmed rookie to MVP candidate in his second year as a pro.
This, somehow, could saddle Rosen with a worse supporting cast than the one he had in Arizona. His top two wideouts would Dede Westbrook and Marqise Lee, the latter of whom is coming off a season-ending knee injury. His top tailback, Leonard Fournette, averaged only 3.3 yards per carry last season and looks more and more like the NFL doppelgänger of Trent Richardson. An injury-riddled offensive line allowed sacks on nine percent of dropbacks in 2018. Jacksonville isn’t especially inviting for quarterbacks this spring.
New England Patriots
Bill Belichick loves turning other teams’ underwhelming high-value draft picks into reclamation projects in New England. Under his watch, players like Kyle Van Noy, Shea McClellin, and Aqib Talib all saw their value rise after moving to Foxborough. Others, like Kony Ealy, Danny Shelton, and Jonathan Cooper, didn’t work out so well.
That propensity to take big swings, even on flawed prospects, means the Pats won’t be deterred by Rosen’s ugly start in the desert. Belichick needs to start prepping for Tom Brady’s eventual departure, even if Brady’s desire to play until age 45 would push him through the end of Rosen’s rookie contract. Bringing the former UCLA star to the northeast would give him a low-pressure environment to develop his game and set him up as the future of one of the league’s most prestigious franchises. If Matt Cassel and Jimmy Garoppolo could thrive at Gillette Stadium, Rosen probably could, too.
Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins are probably ending their Ryan Tannehill experiment after only six brief years and heading into a full rebuild under new head coach Brian Flores. However, last year’s 7-9 record has them stuck at the No. 13 pick in this year’s draft — likely excluding them from the Murray/Dwayne Haskins tier of QB prospects and forcing them to choose between exciting but potentially flawed passers like Drew Lock or Daniel Jones instead. Murray had been a popular mock draft pick for Miami early in the draft process, but the combination of Kingsbury’s adoration and his taller-than-expected 5’10 measurement at the combine suggests he won’t be available in the mid-first.
If neither of those options makes sense to Flores and general manager Chris Grier, Rosen could be a useful alternative. He’d have zero expectations in his first season in Miami — which is good, because given the Dolphins’ lack of general talent, he’d probably have another regrettable year. Would that taint him with an inescapable stench of failure? Or would he grow into his potential while no one was watching?
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
How does Byron Leftwich feel about Rosen? The former Cardinals offensive coordinator reunited with head coach Bruce Arians in Tampa this winter, and the two could be in the market for a young quarterback to pick up the pieces if poor judgment shatters Jameis Winston’s prospects once more. Leftwich wasn’t able to do much with the first-round pick in his rookie year, but much of that damage can be placed on an awful supporting cast.
Rosen would get the chance to work with Mike Evans and the bones of an offense that passed for more than 320 yards per game this past season. Getting some help from Arians, who helped Andrew Luck transition seamlessly into the league as a rookie and then got more than anyone could have expected from late-stage Carson Palmer in Glendale, would also be a boon for Rosen’s career. Ryan Fitzpatrick is unlikely to return to Tampa, so adding the second-year quarterback would give the Bucs a useful backup AND some Winston insurance for the future.
Washington
Alex Smith will soon be 35 years old and is coming off a leg so badly broken he’s still wearing a cast that looks like a construction site. He’s likely out for 2019, and even if he does return this year l it would make sense for Washington to begin planning for life after him. So far, that means betting on Colt McCoy."
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Post by woodeye on Mar 2, 2019 16:20:16 GMT -7
cat, my whimsical trade proposal is my "gift" to the OP. "Gifts" are a thing at this place.  |
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Post by topcat on Mar 2, 2019 16:42:56 GMT -7
Not buying it, I think the Cards are committed to Rosen and its all draft lies. If they go Rosen, then they need to trade down and collect draft picks. They have too many holes to fill. Figure on how many Blue Chip players there are. Pretend there are 7 Blue Chip players. Trade the number 1 down to only the next 6 teams in the draft. You get extra picks, and still land a blue chip player. Genius Cards would be smart to trade down and pick a couple of pass pro O-linemen. Rosen got sacked a LOT last year...if they get Murray, they still have that problem, but at least Murray can scramble. But you gotta wonder how many hits a puny 5-10 dude can take from those big D-linemen and LB's...
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Post by topcat on Mar 2, 2019 16:44:31 GMT -7
cat, my whimsical trade proposal is my "gift" to the OP. "Gifts" are a thing at this place. ~ Yep, so both you and Freak are "givers"...well, you sure got a reaction from us, I'll say that!
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Post by shruggy on Mar 2, 2019 16:51:39 GMT -7
The Chargers won't trade for him. Even if they liked him, a QB-hungry team will offer up more than we ever could to get Rosen.
But if you wanted to explore the scenario anyway...
Trading for Rosen - Pros
He's cerebral, both on the field and off.
High football IQ, and scored high on the Wonderlic.
Would soak up what Rivers does -- preparation habits, tips on how he reads defenses, etc
Trading for Rosen - Cons
We'd lose much-needed draft capital, which is vital in a win now situation.
Rivers has 2-3 years left, if we're accurately predicting it. By the time Rosen's rookie contract is up, Rivers would have retired and we'll be paying a regular QB salary for a player who hadn't started since his days in AZ. Will he be worthy of starter money?.
Rosen is not going to want to be a backup for that long. I could see him being fine with 1-2 years, but he's already started half a year. Why would the team what that tension on the sidelines and in the locker room? Rosen isn't afraid to voice his displeasure, as he speaks his mind.
I'd rather draft a QB 2 years before Rivers' final season. We'll have a better idea when that is once Rivers gets that extension.
It would be a chance to have our future QB learn behind Rivers for enough time and, if we're sensing he's more like Sorenson or Bercovici after 1 year on the team, you have a chance to strike again in the draft before Rivers' final season.
Having the luxury of a quarterback starting for you, playing very well, and on their rookie contract, gives us such great cap flexibility for as long as we could comfortably have it.
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 2, 2019 16:52:08 GMT -7
If you're trading for Rosen, you must be rooting for the Gnats, Jags, Cheatriots, Bucs, Fins or Skins, because those are the teams rumored to be in the running for Rosen:
Are you seriously saying that only the teams that Christian D'eandrea (?) mentioned as potential targets are potential targets? Man . . . and to think that I've never heard of the guy . . ..
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Post by xenos on Mar 2, 2019 16:59:57 GMT -7
It really does depend on the cost and how long Rivers wants to keep playing. The highest pick I would give is a third rounder. Ideally, it would be a lower pick since the first three picks should be used on immediate starters, but Rosen would probably be the best QB in this draft and I don't mind using a third rounder on a backup that "could" eventually be our franchise QB.
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Post by xenos on Mar 2, 2019 17:27:50 GMT -7
Wood, you were the biggest one on the pre-draft Lamp bandwagon, and I agreed with you. Why not give him at least one more "prove it" year, kind of like Mike Williams? It is a fantasy trade, one that would never happen, for a bunch of reasons. The Lamp/MW comparison is disingenuous, as MW actually made it on the field, a bunch. Lamp can't get on the field even with poor play from those standing in his way. Lamp gets 2019 TC, make it or bye bye..... In 2018 yes. Not so much in 2017.
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Post by topcat on Mar 2, 2019 19:03:38 GMT -7
The Chargers won't trade for him. Even if they liked him, a QB-hungry team will offer up more than we ever could to get Rosen.
But if you wanted to explore the scenario anyway...
Trading for Rosen - Pros
He's cerebral, both on the field and off.
High football IQ, and scored high on the Wonderlic.
Would soak up
Trading for Rosen - Cons
We'd lose much-needed draft capital, which is vital in a win now situation.
Rivers has 2-3 years left, if we're accurately predicting it. By the time Rosen's rookie contract is up, Rivers would have retired and we'll be paying a regular QB salary for a player who hadn't started since his days in AZ. Will he be worthy of starter money?.
Rosen is not going to want to be a backup for that long. I could see him being fine with 1-2 years, but he's already started half a year. Why would the team what that tension on the sidelines and in the locker room? Rosen isn't afraid to voice his displeasure, as he speaks his mind.
I'd rather draft a QB 2 years before Rivers' final season. We'll have a better idea when that is once Rivers gets that extension.
It would be a chance to have our future QB learn behind Rivers for enough time and, if we're sensing he's more like Sorenson or Bercovici after 1 year on the team, you have a chance to strike again in the draft before Rivers' final season.
Having the luxury of a quarterback starting for you, playing very well, and on their rookie contract, gives us such great cap flexibility for as long as we could comfortably have it. ^ This. We have too many holes to fill, and Rivers still has a lot of gas left in the tank. I'd rather wait until Rivers has just ONE year left to draft his replacement...
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Post by topcat on Mar 2, 2019 19:08:11 GMT -7
It is a fantasy trade, one that would never happen, for a bunch of reasons. The Lamp/MW comparison is disingenuous, as MW actually made it on the field, a bunch. Lamp can't get on the field even with poor play from those standing in his way. Lamp gets 2019 TC, make it or bye bye..... In 2018 yes. Not so much in 2017. Yep. This is why I said earlier, that MW TWO YEARS AGO didn't play much, and how quickly some of the members on this board forget how he was labeled a "bust." Same thing for Lamp...let's see what the kid can do fully rehabbed and with a full TC and preseason...
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Post by Chargeroo on Mar 2, 2019 20:29:42 GMT -7
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Post by jachba on Mar 2, 2019 20:46:34 GMT -7
It really does depend on the cost and how long Rivers wants to keep playing. The highest pick I would give is a third rounder. Ideally, it would be a lower pick since the first three picks should be used on immediate starters, but Rosen would probably be the best QB in this draft and I don't mind using a third rounder on a backup that "could" eventually be our franchise QB. There are people on an Arizona Cardinals message board who think that teams will give up a 1st round pick for Rosen.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 2, 2019 21:11:56 GMT -7
It is a fantasy trade, one that would never happen, for a bunch of reasons. The Lamp/MW comparison is disingenuous, as MW actually made it on the field, a bunch. Lamp can't get on the field even with poor play from those standing in his way. Lamp gets 2019 TC, make it or bye bye..... In 2018 yes. Not so much in 2017. MW had more plays in 'the last half of 2017' than Lamp has had in his entire career...... MW played and contributed, not a bunch in 2017 but some.....Lamp sits and does nothing...his entire career.
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