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Post by frozendisc on Oct 24, 2019 9:03:37 GMT -7
I would go into tank mode for this season. Chargers can be good in one to two years and have some really talented guys so it's not a full rebuild like Miami or Cleveland. But a few extra mid-late round picks would be nice. Teams aren't great at evaluating talent so getting more picks improves the chances of lucking into a good player. Finally, I wouldn't totally be opposed to letting Rivers walk. Between Gordon, him, and the cap going up another $10,000,000 that's a decent chunk of change to spend in FA. If the Chargers get a top 5 pick they can have the advantage of a cost-controlled QB for the rest of Keenan Allen's, Joey Bosa's, Melvin Ingram's, and Derwin James' contracts. It will help them fill out the rest of their roster or at least hold onto those guys. Hopefully, even if it's a miss on that QB, they can be the Bears. If they hit, then they can be the Eagles or Rams. 'letting Rivers walk' would end up being a unmitigated disaster.....no team walks from a franchise QB unless the replacement is on roster. That simply is not the case currently.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 24, 2019 9:17:16 GMT -7
I’m confused with the rumors of teams still going after Gordon. If they plan on letting Gordon walk in FA and don’t plan on signing him for more money, why wouldn’t the FO just trade him for some value? What are they expecting out of this? That the market will not be there for Gordon? Or that Gordon will resign for what they offer? If any team is really offering something for Gordon after these last four games then we should JUMP on their offer! Like DieHard said above, get something for him now since he clearly won't be back next season (which would be the team's decision, not his.)
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Post by moekid on Oct 24, 2019 9:22:20 GMT -7
I’m confused with the rumors of teams still going after Gordon. If they plan on letting Gordon walk in FA and don’t plan on signing him for more money, why wouldn’t the FO just trade him for some value? What are they expecting out of this? That the market will not be there for Gordon? Or that Gordon will resign for what they offer? If any team is really offering something for Gordon after these last four games then we should JUMP on their offer! Like DieHard said above, get something for him now since he clearly won't be back next season (which would be the team's decision, not his.) Trade him to the Lions. They need an RB. |
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 24, 2019 9:25:19 GMT -7
I’m confused with the rumors of teams still going after Gordon. If they plan on letting Gordon walk in FA and don’t plan on signing him for more money, why wouldn’t the FO just trade him for some value? What are they expecting out of this? That the market will not be there for Gordon? Or that Gordon will resign for what they offer? If any team is really offering something for Gordon after these last four games then we should JUMP on their offer! Like DieHard said above, get something for him now since he clearly won't be back next season (which would be the team's decision, not his.) I think TT views it (any trade) as getting more return if he waits......of course that is a gamble, and part of the game of being a GM. I also think TT feels that fallback is a comp pick, believing he will 'get' something for MG in the end. If I was offered a fourth, I might make that trade.....depends on just how late that fourth looked to be. A third and MG is gone.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 24, 2019 11:43:14 GMT -7
If any team is really offering something for Gordon after these last four games then we should JUMP on their offer! Like DieHard said above, get something for him now since he clearly won't be back next season (which would be the team's decision, not his.) I think TT views it (any trade) as getting more return if he waits......of course that is a gamble, and part of the game of being a GM. I also think TT feels that fallback is a comp pick, believing he will 'get' something for MG in the end. If I was offered a fourth, I might make that trade.....depends on just how late that fourth looked to be. A third and MG is gone..... Where YOUR GM is really punked, is he MOVED UP IN THE 1st ROUND to get Gordon.
Gave up a fourth to move up.
Now you want him to take a 3rd ? Hey, I'm with ya, get what you can at this point. But that's the math.
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Post by eaterfan on Oct 24, 2019 12:16:19 GMT -7
I would go into tank mode for this season. Chargers can be good in one to two years and have some really talented guys so it's not a full rebuild like Miami or Cleveland. But a few extra mid-late round picks would be nice. Teams aren't great at evaluating talent so getting more picks improves the chances of lucking into a good player. Finally, I wouldn't totally be opposed to letting Rivers walk. Between Gordon, him, and the cap going up another $10,000,000 that's a decent chunk of change to spend in FA. If the Chargers get a top 5 pick they can have the advantage of a cost-controlled QB for the rest of Keenan Allen's, Joey Bosa's, Melvin Ingram's, and Derwin James' contracts. It will help them fill out the rest of their roster or at least hold onto those guys. Hopefully, even if it's a miss on that QB, they can be the Bears. If they hit, then they can be the Eagles or Rams. 'letting Rivers walk' would end up being a unmitigated disaster.....no team walks from a franchise QB unless the replacement is on roster. That simply is not the case currently. The Colts walked away from Peyton Manning before they had Luck on the roster. Worked okay for them and that was before the rookie wage scale made rookies cheap. But there are several reasons why this doesn't happen a lot. 1. Teams have the fore site to draft a replacement before they are put in the situation the Chargers are in. See 49ers with Young, Packers with Rodgers, 49ers with Kaepernik, Chargers with Rivers, Chiefs with Mahommes, Baltimore with Jackson, etc. 2. Rookie wage scale is fairly new. It's 8 years old and teams are finally catching onto its ramifications. For example, Sam Bradford's rookie contract took up 11% of the salary cap. Kyler Murray's deal is for 5% of the salary cap. The price of a franchise QB in that time period has been fairly consistent over that time (not counting Brady, who takes a discount) at about 16% of the cap. So rookie QBs have gotten comparatively much cheaper only recently. 3. Football teams are overly conservative. You get a lot more criticism for doing something new that doesn't work than you do for doing the same thing that doesn't work. Which leads to reason 4. 4. A GM won't get fired for signing a QB for too much money. They probably do get fired if they miss on the rookie QB they let a decent QB walk for. Overall, Rivers has been more than decent but is he going to be more than decent going forward? I don't know, but I'm fairly certain he won't be with this O-line. And I think his contract extension will prohibit the Chargers from really improving it.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 24, 2019 12:50:27 GMT -7
Move Gordon for whatever we can get for him... I'd prefer an olineman simply because as previously stated, TT can't draft for squat. This team doesn't know the meaning of the words "Win now"... Likely because they don't know the meaning of the word Win.
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Post by lazylightning on Oct 24, 2019 13:28:11 GMT -7
Trade R Okung, MG III, and Melvin Ingram to the Redskins for Trent William and a 2020 2nd & 4th.
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Post by moekid on Oct 24, 2019 14:20:23 GMT -7
I can’t say it anymore. Fowler, Suh, Ramsey, heck evening AB 84 The contracts that it would have taken to sign those guys would destroy the Bolts' cap management, and you would be at the front of the line complaining...... TT made good decisions on those options, regardless of how things play out the rest of season. Cap management = 2-5 |
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Post by diehardcharge on Oct 24, 2019 17:57:39 GMT -7
What’s interesting is that I’ve heard some people talk about or ask why would they pay Trent Williams if they’re not willing to pay for Gordon. If this trade does go down, hypothetically, and to answer that question, the value of the LT position holds a lot more water than at the RB position. If we made a trade to the Redskins for Trent Williams and a draft pick to also give up Okung, Gordon, and a draft pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. Because that’s how much we would need such an elite talent on the offensive line.
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 24, 2019 20:31:26 GMT -7
What’s interesting is that I’ve heard some people talk about or ask why would they pay Trent Williams if they’re not willing to pay for Gordon. If this trade does go down, hypothetically, and to answer that question, the value of the LT position holds a lot more water than at the RB position. If we made a trade to the Redskins for Trent Williams and a draft pick to also give up Okung, Gordon, and a draft pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. Because that’s how much we would need such an elite talent on the offensive line. I’m unconvinced Williams is a star, reliable starting LT. Especially for the contract cost. A trade of Gordon and a 5-6 round pick might be the most I’d consider there. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 24, 2019 20:34:46 GMT -7
I think TT views it (any trade) as getting more return if he waits......of course that is a gamble, and part of the game of being a GM. I also think TT feels that fallback is a comp pick, believing he will 'get' something for MG in the end. If I was offered a fourth, I might make that trade.....depends on just how late that fourth looked to be. A third and MG is gone..... Where YOUR GM is really punked, is he MOVED UP IN THE 1st ROUND to get Gordon.
Gave up a fourth to move up.
Now you want him to take a 3rd ? Hey, I'm with ya, get what you can at this point. But that's the math.
The math is — current asset value (assumed production this season) at current cost plus likely compensation (pick after he leaves) vs. new asset value at current cost, factoring for future cost, and any compensation. |
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Post by diehardcharge on Oct 24, 2019 20:52:54 GMT -7
What’s interesting is that I’ve heard some people talk about or ask why would they pay Trent Williams if they’re not willing to pay for Gordon. If this trade does go down, hypothetically, and to answer that question, the value of the LT position holds a lot more water than at the RB position. If we made a trade to the Redskins for Trent Williams and a draft pick to also give up Okung, Gordon, and a draft pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. Because that’s how much we would need such an elite talent on the offensive line. I’m unconvinced Williams is a star, reliable starting LT. Especially for the contract cost. A trade of Gordon and a 5-6 round pick might be the most I’d consider there. I beg to differ. The only thing that holds him back is his injuries. Without his injuries I would say he’s a top 5 LT easy. |
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 24, 2019 20:59:16 GMT -7
I think TT views it (any trade) as getting more return if he waits......of course that is a gamble, and part of the game of being a GM. I also think TT feels that fallback is a comp pick, believing he will 'get' something for MG in the end. If I was offered a fourth, I might make that trade.....depends on just how late that fourth looked to be. A third and MG is gone..... Where YOUR GM is really punked, is he MOVED UP IN THE 1st ROUND to get Gordon.
Gave up a fourth to move up.
Now you want him to take a 3rd ? Hey, I'm with ya, get what you can at this point. But that's the math.
You love to live in the past and revel in that retribution.......might as well just fire anyone that makes a mistake. Won't be long before FA's avoid your club as well as coaching staff.....going to get hard to win using dumpster staffing plan. Dump Gordon for what you can get......
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Post by cthommes on Oct 24, 2019 21:02:31 GMT -7
Where YOUR GM is really punked, is he MOVED UP IN THE 1st ROUND to get Gordon.
Gave up a fourth to move up.
Now you want him to take a 3rd ? Hey, I'm with ya, get what you can at this point. But that's the math.
You love to live in the past and revel in that retribution.......might as well just fire anyone that makes a mistake. Won't be long before FA's avoid your club as well as coaching staff.....going to get hard to win using dumpster staffing plan. Dump Gordon for what you can get...... How is the dumpster plan different from the plan we've seen the past 20 years or so? |
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