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Post by NYBOLTFAN1 on Nov 8, 2019 8:02:23 GMT -7
I have a new and exciting thought... Maybe its NOT the oline. Its PR... I seriously want to see what Tyrod can do. Tyrod stinks, I watched that loser every week on TV for Buffalo, that's all I get for games in upstate NY.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 8, 2019 8:15:33 GMT -7
LOL that stadium was NOT full. Full compared to what the Chargers draw. Well if you put it THAT way.... 
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 8, 2019 8:24:14 GMT -7
i am crushed Rivers failed another clutch game with "hero ball" Did whiz sneak back into playcalling? I guess I saw a different game than you saw. I think this loss was on the D. We overcame the early lead to pull ahead in the 2nd quarter as Rivers lead us right down the field on a long drive. But then the defense caved in and gave them a TD just before the half. - Second half, same thing. The offense put together a nice drive to take the lead and the defense let them march on down to the winning TD. I do agree that Rivers had a real bad game. Does anyone else recall that the raiders came into that game with very few sacks for the year? Look at how they did against our OL! To be fair, I wonder if any QB would have had a good game playing behind an OL that turned the raiders into a team with a great pass rush. I blame this loss on an OL that couldn't block your grandma and a defense that gave away two end of half TD's. Maybe next year? It wouldn't have mattered if they ran the ball more. The OL was horrible at pass Pro last night. Disc has been right all along. The OL is the Achilles heel of the bolts
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 8, 2019 8:31:46 GMT -7
It was a bit of a trap game coming off a GB high. Losing Okung was huge, though Pipkins I don't think struggled like Scott did. Quessenberry got pushed back way too much. Last year was the year they should have brought in FA OL IMO. The draft was really shallow. But there is A LOT to complain about. PR was off for sure. 3 picks in the first half. One a PICK 6! Only one with HH falling down you take away. I really think PR is too blame for going away with what works. I really do. I think he changes the play because he wants it on him to win. Then the stupid long balls late after the D went soft on the last drive. They had time and they went with what they only ran a few times before in the game with maybe 50% success. TOO MANY empty back field sets IMO. They had both Gordon and Ekler in at the same time is early successful drives. they ran maybe 2 in the entire second half. Both of them were having really good games. In fact, up until Williams catch they had the longest receiving yards at 25 and 23. Defensive woes? Davis was picked on a lot last night. raiders scouted him and it showed. The D was too soft keeping everything underneath with 10 yard cushions. No wonder the raiders marched down field to take the lead. Bosa was handled last night by a rookie LT, he only needed occasional help from Incognito. I though he looked slow. I wonder if he was hurt. Ingram was the bright spot and really stopping the raider run game. minus of course the last TD run. So Carr beat the bolts in the air. Good grief. The biggest issue? the bolts created their own set backs. offense giving up 10 points, delay of game and other brain farts all inside the 10. If it wasn't for the ref's the bolts would have lost worse than they did. The bolts will be in every game. Its just disappointing knowing they do not have the grit or talent to make a win. That is why I think, they are going to find it hard to win more than a couple more with the remaining schedule. we'll see. they probably have a few GB type games in them. James will make a difference. OC Shane is still a question, but at least I like his aggressiveness so far I'm going to be short and sweet, maybe later I'll do a long reply: It starts with the trenches, and for us its the offensive trench line. It starts there. Period. Talking talk about it is OVER. Deflecting is OVER. Suck is suck, and they suck. Flush the line, and replace with talent. So funny how all of a sudden it is all about the OL group.......but I am called the idiot that has been beating that drum far too long.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 8, 2019 8:37:17 GMT -7
I have a new and exciting thought... Maybe its NOT the oline. Its PR... I seriously want to see what Tyrod can do. Tyrod stinks, I watched that loser every week on TV for Buffalo, that's all I get for games in upstate NY. Tyrod has legs and doesn't throw into double or triple coverage...
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 8, 2019 8:41:39 GMT -7
Tyrod stinks, I watched that loser every week on TV for Buffalo, that's all I get for games in upstate NY. Tyrod has legs and doesn't throw into double or triple coverage... Tyrod will come up with his own unique set of issues....... Turning your back on the franchise QB seems a tad bit of an over reaction. Fix the OL, fix the offence. It really is that simple.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 8, 2019 8:59:31 GMT -7
Tyrod has legs and doesn't throw into double or triple coverage... Tyrod will come up with his own unique set of issues....... Turning your back on the franchise QB seems a tad bit of an over reaction. Fix the OL, fix the offence. It really is that simple. I honestly don't think so... We seem to be in Eli Manning mode right now. I'm not saying PR is as bad as Manning, but I truly think a younger more mobile QB could breathe life into this team.
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Post by moekid on Nov 8, 2019 9:03:20 GMT -7
It’s going to take a while to get the last 4 minutes of that game out of my head. You take a 24-20 lead after an 8 minute td drive and just need to keep them out of the end zone. Instead they sink and sink it down the field finished off by an 18 td run right up the gut.
Okay, 1:02 left and all 3 to’s. A fg wins it. The raiders just showed u how to move it down the field. Instead we go for home run balls with a second class OL. Not a single completion. Didn’t gain a single yard. Rivers 0-8.
Epic fail
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 8, 2019 9:09:06 GMT -7
Losing always has the fans wanting to fire everyone, but it just isn't wise to be so reactionary.
I fire Lynn at season end, I do so because he is making that same mistakes as his first season. I believe he is maxed out as a HC. Never winning a Super Bowl with him, so he is gone. I have seven weeks of season left roughly, so I have time to find my next HC. If that new HC wants to assemble his own group of coaches, I fire the entire coaching staff at seasons end. I like Gus, but not afraid to move on either.
TT stays.......but I would love to know exactly how the decisions are being made. I think J Spanos is part of the problem, but from the outside, I will never know. Ownership involved directly with the process always carry too much weight in deciding things.....or so I think.
Rivers stays as well.....franchise QB's are far too difficult to come by. That said, I would like to know if Rivers is changing plays as he sees fit, and has a too bad attitude towards the HC/OC on this. If so, I would put an end to that, or not resign him. I get changing the play, but that needs to be the exception, not the rule. The coaching staff decides, not the players.....run the play called.
With six losses already, the PO's are not happening......losing out would be awesome for draft slotting. Let the new HC set the bar for expectations......
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 8, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -7
Losing always has the fans wanting to fire everyone, but it just isn't wise to be so reactionary. I fire Lynn at season end, I do so because he is making that same mistakes as his first season. I believe he is maxed out as a HC. Never winning a Super Bowl with him, so he is gone. I have seven weeks of season left roughly, so I have time to find my next HC. If that new HC wants to assemble his own group of coaches, I fire the entire coaching staff at seasons end. I like Gus, but not afraid to move on either. TT stays.......but I would love to know exactly how the decisions are being made. I think J Spanos is part of the problem, but from the outside, I will never know. Ownership involved directly with the process always carry too much weight in deciding things.....or so I think. Rivers stays as well.....franchise QB's are far too difficult to come by. That said, I would like to know if Rivers is changing plays as he sees fit, and has a too bad attitude towards the HC/OC on this. If so, I would put an end to that, or not resign him. I get changing the play, but that needs to be the exception, not the rule. The coaching staff decides, not the players.....run the play called. With six losses already, the PO's are not happening......losing out would be awesome for draft slotting. Let the new HC set the bar for expectations...... I appreciate your patience and commitment to PR but I also think this scenario leads to more of the same. Here is mine: Keep Lynn - (Unless new GM wants him gone) Lynn has not lost the locker room yet and has shown he can win a playoff game. I think the players play hard for him and he is not gambler nor is he a conservative hard head. I also like his run first mentality. To me he really is alot like Schotty... Fire TT - (Bring in Daniel Jeremiah or Joe Douglas) The Bill Polian apprentice is no Bill Polian... He is more like Matt Millen. Can't draft Oline, Can't draft LB'ers, and all the other reasons I bring up in other threads... Hire new OC - Bring in Matt Rhule Draft Jalen Hurts outside the 1st round and give PR 1 more guaranteed season as a starter with an emphasis on new OC being the boss. Draft Oline in the first Get aggressive in free agency, specifically on defense.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 8, 2019 9:30:09 GMT -7
I'm going to be short and sweet, maybe later I'll do a long reply: It starts with the trenches, and for us its the offensive trench line. It starts there. Period. Talking talk about it is OVER. Deflecting is OVER. Suck is suck, and they suck. Flush the line, and replace with talent. So funny how all of a sudden it is all about the OL group.......but I am called the idiot that has been beating that drum far too long. Are you saying it was the oline and you are still an idiot ?
Don't be so hard on yourself.
Let me do it for you.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 8, 2019 9:31:20 GMT -7
Tyrod will come up with his own unique set of issues....... Turning your back on the franchise QB seems a tad bit of an over reaction. Fix the OL, fix the offence. It really is that simple. I honestly don't think so... We seem to be in Eli Manning mode right now. I'm not saying PR is as bad as Manning, but I truly think a younger more mobile QB could breathe life into this team. Oh, you did not go there. Did you ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 8, 2019 9:37:29 GMT -7
Losing always has the fans wanting to fire everyone, but it just isn't wise to be so reactionary.
I fire Lynn at season end, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 8, 2019 10:16:20 GMT -7
sure the O-line was bad Still on the final drive Rivers had a chance to hit an open HH 13yrds downfield and decided to throw into double coverage instead. Face it folks: Our HoF 16yr veteran QB choked. 0/7 long deep passes when all we needed was a FG to win. Rivers had a bad game, and we were still in it. I'm not excusing him at all, but I would like to post about our Offensive line. I am completely done with it. Over. OVER it. The responsibility falls 100% on GM Tom Telesco. It is his job to acquire, and when it is bad, he is to blame. Now what do you do about it. My expectations, which so far the evidence is they will not do it, is to draft early on oline, get free agents oline, and release what you have to in order to make roster room and Cap Space. It is beyond ridiculous, whatever experiment you are running FOR YEARS has failed. Failed failed failed. Done, over, finished. Spend a first and a second round pick, Get a top free agent, and get a mid-range money free agent, and fix this god damn offensive line. Cut anyone you have to to make the room. Our quality at Tackle is a freaking joke, and an embarrassment. Okung's blood injuries, Tevi, Scott, and Pipkins. You have to be freak frackin' flippin, kidding me. It isn't Gel, it isn't time, it isn't projects. What it is is SUCK. All four are on the cut block to make room. Feeney, Schofield, ....all on the cut exam paper. Blow it completely up. Oh they make me so damn mad ! Back in the day of 4-12, we sucked, we knew we sucked, and we sucked.
When you are supposed to be good and you suck, its living hell.
MAD MAD MAD !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by moekid on Nov 8, 2019 11:23:17 GMT -7
Rivers had a bad game, and we were still in it. I'm not excusing him at all, but I would like to post about our Offensive line. I am completely done with it. Over. OVER it. The responsibility falls 100% on GM Tom Telesco. It is his job to acquire, and when it is bad, he is to blame. Now what do you do about it. My expectations, which so far the evidence is they will not do it, is to draft early on oline, get free agents oline, and release what you have to in order to make roster room and Cap Space. It is beyond ridiculous, whatever experiment you are running FOR YEARS has failed. Failed failed failed. Done, over, finished. Spend a first and a second round pick, Get a top free agent, and get a mid-range money free agent, and fix this god damn offensive line. Cut anyone you have to to make the room. Our quality at Tackle is a freaking joke, and an embarrassment. Okung's blood injuries, Tevi, Scott, and Pipkins. You have to be freak frackin' flippin, kidding me. It isn't Gel, it isn't time, it isn't projects. What it is is SUCK. All four are on the cut block to make room. Feeney, Schofield, ....all on the cut exam paper. Blow it completely up. Oh they make me so damn mad ! Back in the day of 4-12, we sucked, we knew we sucked, and we sucked.
When you are supposed to be good and you suck, its living hell.
MAD MAD MAD !!!!!!!!!!!
its the devil of high expectations. 12-4 somewhat warranted it but as I pointed out pre-season we won a few close games last year that could easily have been losses. The season started out with a cloud over it. Okung out, MG III hold out and Derwin James broken foot. Those were 3 very important pieces that we didn't have.
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