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Post by sonorajim on May 10, 2020 17:11:25 GMT -7
Basically this year is all about are we a good team without Rivers or not? Taking Rivers' leadership away from this offence will show just how bad Lynn actually is. OK. 5 wins or less, Rivers was carrying the team. 9 wins or more, we're a top 5 defense. 
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Post by ohioboltfan on May 10, 2020 17:32:29 GMT -7
I think you are right- I am too optimistic and you may be too pessimistic. But when I look at each game and make a snap judgment- nothing too overly analytical!- about the Chargers and each opponent, I see a lot of wins. Yes, variables like injuries and continued roster improvements (trades, free agents, rookies excelling out of no where!) for either team will impact the reality once the games begin. And yes I am holding a very optimistic view of our team and especially its weaknesses like the new QB and the LT. (And I want to like Lynn, I really do, but like you I'm not sold.) But every team has strengths and weaknesses, no team is perfect, no team is unbeatable. I'm very optimistic about our defense this year and I think the D will keep us in every game. I'm viewing the offense as more conservative, less turnovers, ball-control, make a few big plays a game so again leading to close games but not losing by shooting our self in the foot. So that's my homer view view of the Chargers. I may look at each opponent optimistically also, like my feeling that TB12 in TB will not be as spectacular as some believe. But my most pessimistic prediction for the Chargers is still 8-8 at this point in time, and that would have to take some doing on our part (which we're perfectly capable of!) and/or some good luck or huge surprise improvements from some of the teams we play this year. What you are seeing is an average team that has a decent defence, boring marginal offence, and mediocre leadership found in their HC. Think about the 'big' games the last couple years.....if it was an important game, you got..... a no focus, poorly executed, crappy game plan effort resulting in a loss. The good teams figure out how to handle beating the average teams, mostly because the good teams actually show up ready to play. Last year we couldn't win a medium-sized game, but you asked about the last few years so I submit to you the previous season where we beat Pittsburgh in prime time, the two-point conversion to win at KC, and the playoff win at Baltimore! I'm with you that leadership (coaching) has a lot to do with this, I just don't what the heck happened from the previous season to last season to implode so hard- was it Gordon's holdout? Derwin's injury? Rivers' regression or trying to play superman? Those are all players issues that coaching shoulda coulda handled. So what the heck is the real answer? PS- don't try to sell me that the Chargers are just an average team. I get your pessimism and defensive posturing, but few teams in the league are as talented as we are overall. Our QB and LT question marks loom large, but most positions on offense, defense and special teams are more than solid. Even some of the playoff teams from last year, AFC or NFC, aren't as well balanced as the Chargers.
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Post by frozendisc on May 10, 2020 17:56:24 GMT -7
What you are seeing is an average team that has a decent defence, boring marginal offence, and mediocre leadership found in their HC. Think about the 'big' games the last couple years.....if it was an important game, you got..... a no focus, poorly executed, crappy game plan effort resulting in a loss. The good teams figure out how to handle beating the average teams, mostly because the good teams actually show up ready to play. Last year we couldn't win a medium-sized game, but you asked about the last few years so I submit to you the previous season where we beat Pittsburgh in prime time, the two-point conversion to win at KC, and the playoff win at Baltimore! I'm with you that leadership (coaching) has a lot to do with this, I just don't what the heck happened from the previous season to last season to implode so hard- was it Gordon's holdout? Derwin's injury? Rivers' regression or trying to play superman? Those are all players issues that coaching shoulda coulda handled. So what the heck is the real answer? PS- don't try to sell me that the Chargers are just an average team. I get your pessimism and defensive posturing, but few teams in the league are as talented as we are overall. Our QB and LT question marks loom large, but most positions on offense, defense and special teams are more than solid. Even some of the playoff teams from last year, AFC or NFC, aren't as well balanced as the Chargers. Many of the Chargers' starters are above average, skill positions on offence minus the QB now, and most of the defence. The OL group is so so now, but depth is just horrible. When the injuries come along, and they will, boring Lynn will be clueless, and that means the team will be lacking leadership when it needs it the most. All three of the wins you noted were great wins, but take those away and suddenly they are just a 9-7 team. I would suggest those wins were the outliers, and the 5-11 season was much more indicative of what we will be seeing in the near future........ I am watching the Bosa contract closely......if Bosa wants to wait on an extension, really bad news. I would have to think he tries to leave, but then there is that tag deal.....
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Post by frozendisc on May 10, 2020 17:59:35 GMT -7
Taking Rivers' leadership away from this offence will show just how bad Lynn actually is. OK. 5 wins or less, Rivers was carrying the team. 9 wins or more, we're a top 5 defense. Top 5 defence will be needed to have a winning season. I am thinking, with mostly good health, they are 7-9.
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Post by afboltfan on May 10, 2020 19:37:26 GMT -7
I honestly think we'll be pleasantly surprised with the Chargers this year... I think PR's "leadership" is overrated and the oline improvements were good, have to stay healthy. The reason I say we lose to the Bucs is, not only is it an early east coast game but it is their home opener. The TB12 hype will be in full force... Can we win? Yes. Will we win? I doubt it, and predicted no.
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Post by moekid on May 10, 2020 20:56:19 GMT -7
It’s hard for me to imagine the season. When is training camp? Will fans be permitted to attend even if they have games? We’re in a strange period
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 2:29:53 GMT -7
The year before he went 12-4 with a playoff win. Ended up 8-2 on the road overall. Or do we just plot that out somewhere. Injuries, PR turnovers, one score losses. There is nothing stopping them from turning it around this year. They have every single chance of turning it around. In 9 one score losses, I look to "what did you add to help the team" ? I really like who they added this year. It all counts......and after 3 seasons Lynn is just a couple games above average. Lynn is exactly what we have seen, an average uninspiring HC. 12-4 followed by 5-11, and 8-2 on the road followed by 0-6 in the AFCW......we can go back and forth endlessly, it proves little. The Bolts could win the Super Bowl this next season, but looking at them with a critical eye, it simply seems unlikely. I share your like of TT's off season moves, but I also look at what was removed from the roster, and of more importance.....was is needed. There is an entire lake of water still needing to go by the bridge, so TT has plenty of time to find solutions..... We disagree, which is no surprise to anyone. If he was 8-8 and 8-8, I could see where you are coming from.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 2:38:38 GMT -7
I think you are right- I am too optimistic and you may be too pessimistic. But when I look at each game and make a snap judgment- nothing too overly analytical!- about the Chargers and each opponent, I see a lot of wins. Yes, variables like injuries and continued roster improvements (trades, free agents, rookies excelling out of no where!) for either team will impact the reality once the games begin. And yes I am holding a very optimistic view of our team and especially its weaknesses like the new QB and the LT. (And I want to like Lynn, I really do, but like you I'm not sold.) But every team has strengths and weaknesses, no team is perfect, no team is unbeatable. I'm very optimistic about our defense this year and I think the D will keep us in every game. I'm viewing the offense as more conservative, less turnovers, ball-control, make a few big plays a game so again leading to close games but not losing by shooting our self in the foot. So that's my homer view view of the Chargers. I may look at each opponent optimistically also, like my feeling that TB12 in TB will not be as spectacular as some believe. But my most pessimistic prediction for the Chargers is still 8-8 at this point in time, and that would have to take some doing on our part (which we're perfectly capable of!) and/or some good luck or huge surprise improvements from some of the teams we play this year. What you are seeing is an average team that has a decent defence, boring marginal offence, and mediocre leadership found in their HC. Think about the 'big' games the last couple years.....if it was an important game, you got..... a no focus, poorly executed, crappy game plan effort resulting in a loss.
The good teams figure out how to handle beating the average teams, mostly because the good teams actually show up ready to play. Won at Seattle, won at KC, won at Pittsburgh, etc etc
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 2:41:40 GMT -7
It’s hard for me to imagine the season. When is training camp? Will fans be permitted to attend even if they have games? We’re in a strange periodWhen the clouds are the darkest is when Lightning Strikes.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 2:44:13 GMT -7
Last year we couldn't win a medium-sized game, but you asked about the last few years so I submit to you the previous season where we beat Pittsburgh in prime time, the two-point conversion to win at KC, and the playoff win at Baltimore! I'm with you that leadership (coaching) has a lot to do with this, I just don't what the heck happened from the previous season to last season to implode so hard- was it Gordon's holdout? Derwin's injury? Rivers' regression or trying to play superman? Those are all players issues that coaching shoulda coulda handled. So what the heck is the real answer? PS- don't try to sell me that the Chargers are just an average team. I get your pessimism and defensive posturing, but few teams in the league are as talented as we are overall. Our QB and LT question marks loom large, but most positions on offense, defense and special teams are more than solid. Even some of the playoff teams from last year, AFC or NFC, aren't as well balanced as the Chargers. and most of the defence. The OL group is so so now, but depth is just horrible. When the injuries come along, and they will, boring Lynn will be clueless, and that means the team will be lacking leadership when it needs it the most. All three of the wins you noted were great wins, but take those away and suddenly they are just a 9-7 team. I would suggest those wins were the outliers, and the 5-11 season was much more indicative of what we will be seeing in the near future........ I am watching the Bosa contract closely......if Bosa wants to wait on an extension, really bad news. I would have to think he tries to leave, but then there is that tag deal..... I have SO waited for this flip flop to begin. All offseason you were praising Tyrod Taylor. Now he is BELOW average. I laugh so hard.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 2:49:16 GMT -7
The year before he went 12-4 with a playoff win. Ended up 8-2 on the road overall. Or do we just plot that out somewhere. Injuries, PR turnovers, one score losses. There is nothing stopping them from turning it around this year. They have every single chance of turning it around. In 9 one score losses, I look to "what did you add to help the team" ? I really like who they added this year. Basically this year is all about are we a good team without Rivers or not? There is a little more to it, I believe. Rivers has left, so they need to find a new identity. 5-11 needs to find a new identity too.
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Post by frozendisc on May 11, 2020 6:27:41 GMT -7
Many of the Chargers' starters are above average, skill positions on offence minus the QB now, and most of the defence. The OL group is so so now, but depth is just horrible. When the injuries come along, and they will, boring Lynn will be clueless, and that means the team will be lacking leadership when it needs it the most. All three of the wins you noted were great wins, but take those away and suddenly they are just a 9-7 team. I would suggest those wins were the outliers, and the 5-11 season was much more indicative of what we will be seeing in the near future........ I am watching the Bosa contract closely......if Bosa wants to wait on an extension, really bad news. I would have to think he tries to leave, but then there is that tag deal..... I have SO waited for this flip flop to begin. All offseason you were praising Tyrod Taylor. Now he is BELOW average. I laugh so hard. I excluded Taylor from the 'above average' group, you are the one putting Taylor in the 'below average' group. I did not spend "All offseason you were praising Tyrod Taylor."......I did say multiple times I believed the Bolts were very serious about rolling with Taylor as the starter.
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Post by afboltfan on May 11, 2020 6:46:51 GMT -7
I honestly think I've been the only one that gives TT a chance... disc was the one that touted the "QB Hell" term. Everyone has loyally been on PR's jock the whole time.
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Post by lazylightning on May 11, 2020 7:23:16 GMT -7
That's a tough standard. The Chargers are 1-8 at Miami since 1982.
ps: we'll be 3-3 when we go to Mia.
I think they beat the Panthers and Jets......making Miami a huge game for Lynn. Lose there, he is 2-5......is that enough for the Spanos clan to make a change? Not sure it matters, as they go from one bad HC to the next....... I see a 3-3 as possible, but 4-2 is more likely than 2-4. My prediction is that AL will last the season. Either the team is winning and he is vindicated. ...or the team has tanked and Herbert is starting. I do not see them firing AL in the midst of your franchise QB's rookie season. Possibly the Monday after.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 11, 2020 7:33:44 GMT -7
I honestly think I've been the only one that gives TT a chance... disc was the one that touted the "QB Hell" term. Everyone has loyally been on PR's jock the whole time. Put me on the want to be on all their jocks. Call it the Freak List if you have to.
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