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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 28, 2020 4:54:11 GMT -7
Kap’s activism may very well be looked at in a different light, by many people now. But that’s not reason enough to give a guy a roster spot on a Pro Sports team... Let me break down where the NFL screwed that whole thing up from top to bottom. Kappy slappy lawsuit on them for collusion. He claimed they all got together and kept him from signing with an NFL team. The league settled out of court. The word is they didn't settle because they colluded to keep him out of the league. They settled because there was OTHER evidence of wrongdoing (like phone/text messages) that they did not want to get out into the public............................ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your dumbasses were still doing something wrong !!! Oh the Emperor laughs at these rookies trying to cover up. I can't be too hard though. Its what keeps me numero ono. The sticking point for kneeling here that slips through our hands like sand is the INTENT. I always figured he was paying much due respect to ME. (its my world, get your own.) There is a group of the populace that says kneeling is disrespecting the flag and anthem. Another group states he was not kneeling against that, it was for social equality. My personal problem is he was never clear on this, at the time. I believe he enjoyed the controversy. How do you change minds on what kneeling stands for during the anthem ? I don't think you are. He signed a star level contract with Nike for millions of dollars. He lost another part of me being down for his cause on that day. "I can feel all of you in the hood, while I'm signing a 100 million dollar contract with a major corporation." Ok.............................................................................................
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 28, 2020 5:20:35 GMT -7
That's a myopic view for someone accusing someone else of a myopic view. Many, myself included have always felt that Kaepernick's "activism" is misplaced and the negative attention has nothing to do with Trump. Kap was benched week 8 of 2015, knelt for the anthem the last week of preseason 2016... IMHO this was a tantrum that turned into something bigger... He did this prior to and received huge criticism before Trump was ever elected. I think people will watch, especially fans... The NFL isn't worried about a few stubborn outliers, its too big. Nascar on the other hand... 99.9% of their audience is white male rednecks. True about the timing but it was amplified after Trump was elected and starting calling players sons of bitches. Saying they should be fired and Mike Pence walking out of a game because a player kneeled. They were actively calling for the NFL to be boycotted. I hardly think it was a “tantrum”. What a condescending view of an issue of importance. Condescending yes... Because I think it is an important topic that is being misused and milked by those who only want to gain monetarily. And yes that includes Kaepernick... You are correct though, Trump did amplify it as I'm sure he thought it appealed to his base. The NFL obviously doesn't fear the implications of angering white conservatives anymore.
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 28, 2020 5:26:42 GMT -7
Kap’s activism may very well be looked at in a different light, by many people now. But that’s not reason enough to give a guy a roster spot on a Pro Sports team... Let me break down where the NFL screwed that whole thing up from top to bottom. Kappy slappy lawsuit on them for collusion. He claimed they all got together and kept him from signing with an NFL team. The league settled out of court. The word is they didn't settle because they colluded to keep him out of the league. They settled because there was OTHER evidence of wrongdoing (like phone/text messages) that they did not want to get out into the public............................ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your dumbasses were still doing something wrong !!! Oh the Emperor laughs at these rookies trying to cover up. I can't be too hard though. Its what keeps me numero ono. The sticking point for kneeling here that slips through our hands like sand is the INTENT. I always figured he was paying much due respect to ME. (its my world, get your own.) There is a group of the populace that says kneeling is disrespecting the flag and anthem. Another group states he was not kneeling against that, it was for social equality. My personal problem is he was never clear on this, at the time. I believe he enjoyed the controversy. How do you change minds on what kneeling stands for during the anthem ? I don't think you are. He signed a star level contract with Nike for millions of dollars. He lost another part of me being down for his cause on that day. "I can feel all of you in the hood, while I'm signing a 100 million dollar contract with a major corporation." Ok............................................................................................. Exactly!!! But people aka. the media and ESPN make him out to be a "Hero"... Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, Colin Kaepernick, the Democrat Party, Fox News, CNN, NBC/CBS/ABC, MSNBC, and the list goes on... Its not activism, its exploitation.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 28, 2020 7:41:31 GMT -7
My issue with Kaepernick has always been about his hijacking the NFL's platform, their Game Day event. He certainly had a platform of his own as a player, but that was not significant enough, so let the hijacking begin. The sense of entitlement is off the charts in my view.
I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years......
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 10:34:30 GMT -7
Let me break down where the NFL screwed that whole thing up from top to bottom. Kappy slappy lawsuit on them for collusion. He claimed they all got together and kept him from signing with an NFL team. The league settled out of court. The word is they didn't settle because they colluded to keep him out of the league. They settled because there was OTHER evidence of wrongdoing (like phone/text messages) that they did not want to get out into the public............................ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your dumbasses were still doing something wrong !!! Oh the Emperor laughs at these rookies trying to cover up. I can't be too hard though. Its what keeps me numero ono. The sticking point for kneeling here that slips through our hands like sand is the INTENT. I always figured he was paying much due respect to ME. (its my world, get your own.) There is a group of the populace that says kneeling is disrespecting the flag and anthem. Another group states he was not kneeling against that, it was for social equality. My personal problem is he was never clear on this, at the time. I believe he enjoyed the controversy. How do you change minds on what kneeling stands for during the anthem ? I don't think you are. He signed a star level contract with Nike for millions of dollars. He lost another part of me being down for his cause on that day. "I can feel all of you in the hood, while I'm signing a 100 million dollar contract with a major corporation." Ok.............................................................................................Exactly!!! But people aka. the media and ESPN make him out to be a "Hero"... Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, Colin Kaepernick, the Democrat Party, Fox News, CNN, NBC/CBS/ABC, MSNBC, and the list goes on... Its not activism, its exploitation. Nike didn’t up Kaepernick until 2018, after he was out of the league, so hard to say he was doing it to gain monetarily unless he had a crystal ball. Better to deal with the message instead of attacking the messenger. |
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 10:37:45 GMT -7
My issue with Kaepernick has always been about his hijacking the NFL's platform, their Game Day event. He certainly had a platform of his own as a player, but that was not significant enough, so let the hijacking begin. The sense of entitlement is off the charts in my view. I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Just another excuse to ignore the message |
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 28, 2020 10:44:14 GMT -7
My issue with Kaepernick has always been about his hijacking the NFL's platform, their Game Day event. He certainly had a platform of his own as a player, but that was not significant enough, so let the hijacking begin. The sense of entitlement is off the charts in my view. I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Just another excuse to ignore the message Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system...
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Post by sdc on Jun 28, 2020 10:47:32 GMT -7
I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Let me see if I have this one straight. In one of the biggest, most controversial, and potentially damaging legal issues in the past decade for the NFL, they quietly reach a settlement with Kaepernick. For obvious reasons only a minute number of people within the NFL would be privy to its details. Not to mention nondisclosure for all parties involved and the serious penalties incurred for disclosure. The caveat of returning the money, in and of itself, seems absurd to me, but I have no knowledge of the settlement, nor will I feign to know otherwise.
So against this backdrop you would have us believe that one of the few power brokers in the NFL would confide such a detail to you for no particular reason beyond idle chit chat? His trust level in you would have to be extraordinary. A level of trust that would clearly be betrayed by someone who would share this information with 6 strangers on a podunk internet forum.
Sometimes in your construction of your persona, you overplay your hand.
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 10:58:13 GMT -7
Just another excuse to ignore the message Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system... I think your 99.9% number is highly inflated |
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Post by sdc on Jun 28, 2020 10:59:55 GMT -7
Just another excuse to ignore the message Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system... Kaepernick (and others) kneeling was a complete non-issue for me until Trump made it a reason to divide the country. Trump declared that it was insult to the flag and those that fought to defend it. He turned the discussion away from the action and made it about intent. It is dangerous and ignorant to assume the intent of another human being. A true leader would discuss the way that some, probably many, may have perceived the kneeling. That's valid. A true leader would also recognize that not growing up in America as a black male would disqualify him from judging Kaepernick's views on this matter just as he would be disqualified for speaking for those who served this country and flag and their views on this matter.
Lastly, growing up Catholic I knelt multiple times every Sunday. From what I recalled it was not a sign of disrespect but one of reverence and subjugation. When did that change?
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Post by sdc on Jun 28, 2020 11:01:53 GMT -7
Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system... I think your 99.9% number is highly inflated I live in the South and can assure you that the number is much much lower. There is a strong number is those that prescribe to the "If you break the law...." mentality.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 28, 2020 11:05:36 GMT -7
My issue with Kaepernick has always been about his hijacking the NFL's platform, their Game Day event. He certainly had a platform of his own as a player, but that was not significant enough, so let the hijacking begin. The sense of entitlement is off the charts in my view. I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Just another excuse to ignore the message You seem to be firm in your belief the two issues are connected, they are not. One can appreciate the message, and still disapprove of the approach.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 28, 2020 11:22:24 GMT -7
I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Let me see if I have this one straight. In one of the biggest, most controversial, and potentially damaging legal issues in the past decade for the NFL, they quietly reach a settlement with Kaepernick. For obvious reasons only a minute number of people within the NFL would be privy to its details. Not to mention nondisclosure for all parties involved and the serious penalties incurred for disclosure. The caveat of returning the money, in and of itself, seems absurd to me, but I have no knowledge of the settlement, nor will I feign to know otherwise.
So against this backdrop you would have us believe that one of the few power brokers in the NFL would confide such a detail to you for no particular reason beyond idle chit chat? His trust level in you would have to be extraordinary. A level of trust that would clearly be betrayed by someone who would share this information with 6 strangers on a podunk internet forum.
Sometimes in your construction of your persona, you overplay your hand.
I freely admit my friend has no direct knowledge of the specifics of the agreement, but he is connected quite well to those that might very well have that knowledge. Is it a fact, not at this point, clearly. It does give plausible explanation to events such as the 'workout' that never happened because Kaepernick seemed to not find a suitable format. You seem to give this 'tidbit' of information far greater weight than it deserves, as it really is not anything surprising to have been included in the agreement. Your belief in nondisclosure agreements is beyond hilarious, as they simply do not exist in reality. Plenty of people know the specifics in nondisclosure's, and virtually all have told someone......to think otherwise is naive.
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 11:25:25 GMT -7
Just another excuse to ignore the message You seem to be firm in your belief the two issues are connected, they are not. One can appreciate the message, and still disapprove of the approach. It’s a way to hijack the discussion. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 28, 2020 11:28:56 GMT -7
You seem to be firm in your belief the two issues are connected, they are not. One can appreciate the message, and still disapprove of the approach. It’s a way to hijack the discussion. Is that not exactly what Kaepernick did?
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