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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 11:36:42 GMT -7
It’s a way to hijack the discussion. Is that not exactly what Kaepernick did? No. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 28, 2020 12:08:29 GMT -7
Kap was a paid employee in the NFL who hijacked his employers format for his own purposes.
Anyone who wants to support him should feel free to do so.
I do not.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 28, 2020 12:28:48 GMT -7
Is that not exactly what Kaepernick did? No. How so? Kaepernick hijacked the NFL's Game Day discussion about football and turned it into his own discussion about social injustice. Did he not do that?
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 12:31:21 GMT -7
Kap was a paid employee in the NFL who hijacked his employers format for his own purposes. Anyone who wants to support him should feel free to do so. I do not. He put a focus on something much bigger than himself and not about himself at all. It’s not even a matter of supporting him or not supporting him as an individual. |
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 28, 2020 13:00:20 GMT -7
I think your 99.9% number is highly inflated I live in the South and can assure you that the number is much much lower. There is a strong number is those that prescribe to the "If you break the law...." mentality. So do I... There is a difference between George Floyd and breaking the law. Nitpick the numbers all you guys want, a majority of Americans think George Floyd was murdered. It somewhat proves my point... You can support BLM and think George Floyd was murdered but if you disagree with any single point or facet, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the discussion. Moekid won't accept anything that doesn't come out of his own mouth or keyboard...
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 28, 2020 13:02:55 GMT -7
Kap was a paid employee in the NFL who hijacked his employers format for his own purposes. Anyone who wants to support him should feel free to do so. I do not. He put a focus on something much bigger than himself and not about himself at all. It’s not even a matter of supporting him or not supporting him as an individual. Kaepernick did nothing but give politics another platform... Lots of people think politics should be left out of sports, I tend to agree.
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Post by moekid on Jun 28, 2020 14:29:55 GMT -7
I live in the South and can assure you that the number is much much lower. There is a strong number is those that prescribe to the "If you break the law...." mentality. So do I... There is a difference between George Floyd and breaking the law. Nitpick the numbers all you guys want, a majority of Americans think George Floyd was murdered. It somewhat proves my point... You can support BLM and think George Floyd was murdered but if you disagree with any single point or facet, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the discussion. Moekid won't accept anything that doesn't come out of his own mouth or keyboard... I was disagreeing with you saying that 99.9% of people think police brutality is an issue. Am I allowed to disagree? |
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Post by jefa on Jun 28, 2020 19:19:28 GMT -7
Just another excuse to ignore the message Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system... Yes, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the NFL. Play football (American) and not politics.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 29, 2020 1:07:29 GMT -7
I was told by a league employee (NFL) that I trust an interesting tidbit. He told me that in the Kaepernick settlement was a term that stated if he (Kaepernick) signed with any NFL team, the settlement money would need to be returned to the NFL. Changes the perspective on many of the machinations by Kaepernick that have occurred over the past 3 years...... Let me see if I have this one straight. In one of the biggest, most controversial, and potentially damaging legal issues in the past decade for the NFL, they quietly reach a settlement with Kaepernick. For obvious reasons only a minute number of people within the NFL would be privy to its details. Not to mention nondisclosure for all parties involved and the serious penalties incurred for disclosure. The caveat of returning the money, in and of itself, seems absurd to me, but I have no knowledge of the settlement, nor will I feign to know otherwise.
So against this backdrop you would have us believe that one of the few power brokers in the NFL would confide such a detail to you for no particular reason beyond idle chit chat? His trust level in you would have to be extraordinary. A level of trust that would clearly be betrayed by someone who would share this information with 6 strangers on a podunk internet forum.
Sometimes in your construction of your persona, you overplay your hand.
Do I give out Destructo awards in late June ? If I do, this is one. wow.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 29, 2020 1:11:50 GMT -7
Nobody is ignoring the message... The message gets muddied by politics on both sides. 99.9% of America thinks police brutality is an issue and George Floyd should have never happened. The problem is and always will be politics as long as we have a 2 party system... Kaepernick (and others) kneeling was a complete non-issue for me until Trump made it a reason to divide the country. Trump declared that it was insult to the flag and those that fought to defend it. He turned the discussion away from the action and made it about intent. It is dangerous and ignorant to assume the intent of another human being. A true leader would discuss the way that some, probably many, may have perceived the kneeling. That's valid. A true leader would also recognize that not growing up in America as a black male would disqualify him from judging Kaepernick's views on this matter just as he would be disqualified for speaking for those who served this country and flag and their views on this matter.
Lastly, growing up Catholic I knelt multiple times every Sunday. From what I recalled it was not a sign of disrespect but one of reverence and subjugation. When did that change?
When you stopped kneeling for God and started doing it for a movement ? I want to compliment everyone. Its a sensitive subject and you guys are handling it well. We are going to screw it up at some point. frozen, you want to help prove my point please ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 29, 2020 1:17:22 GMT -7
Exactly!!! But people aka. the media and ESPN make him out to be a "Hero"... Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, Colin Kaepernick, the Democrat Party, Fox News, CNN, NBC/CBS/ABC, MSNBC, and the list goes on... Its not activism, its exploitation. Nike didn’t up Kaepernick until 2018, after he was out of the league, so hard to say he was doing it to gain monetarily unless he had a crystal ball. Better to deal with the message instead of attacking the messenger. I don't have a problem with WHEN he monetized it, just that he did it at all. As far as "attacking the messiah", or did you write messenger, I think we are allowed to examine him. It's only fair to. Whenever athletes want to lead in politics or issues, .........I don't know how to describe it............Don't cross lanes ? Play on Sunday so I can have a distraction from CRAZINESS Monday-Saturday ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 29, 2020 1:24:07 GMT -7
I live in the South and can assure you that the number is much much lower. There is a strong number is those that prescribe to the "If you break the law...." mentality. So do I... There is a difference between George Floyd and breaking the law. Nitpick the numbers all you guys want, a majority of Americans think George Floyd was murdered. It somewhat proves my point... You can support BLM and think George Floyd was murdered but if you disagree with any single point or facet, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the discussion. Moekid won't accept anything that doesn't come out of his own mouth or keyboard... moekid is passionate about the issue. He can hear your position and understands it. He merely feels firm in his belief.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 29, 2020 1:28:58 GMT -7
So do I... There is a difference between George Floyd and breaking the law. Nitpick the numbers all you guys want, a majority of Americans think George Floyd was murdered. It somewhat proves my point... You can support BLM and think George Floyd was murdered but if you disagree with any single point or facet, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the discussion. Moekid won't accept anything that doesn't come out of his own mouth or keyboard... I was disagreeing with you saying that 99.9% of people think police brutality is an issue. Am I allowed to disagree? HA. Brutal policemen alone might make up 0.01%. So it has to be too high of a number. Yes you are allowed to disagree, so is af. frozen ? No.
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Post by totallybolted on Jun 29, 2020 5:35:16 GMT -7
Kaepernick (and others) kneeling was a complete non-issue for me until Trump made it a reason to divide the country. Trump declared that it was insult to the flag and those that fought to defend it. He turned the discussion away from the action and made it about intent. It is dangerous and ignorant to assume the intent of another human being. A true leader would discuss the way that some, probably many, may have perceived the kneeling. That's valid. A true leader would also recognize that not growing up in America as a black male would disqualify him from judging Kaepernick's views on this matter just as he would be disqualified for speaking for those who served this country and flag and their views on this matter.
Lastly, growing up Catholic I knelt multiple times every Sunday. From what I recalled it was not a sign of disrespect but one of reverence and subjugation. When did that change?
When you stopped kneeling for God and started doing it for a movement ? I want to compliment everyone. Its a sensitive subject and you guys are handling it well. We are going to screw it up at some point. frozen, you want to help prove my point please ? well stated. for points one and two.
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 29, 2020 6:03:10 GMT -7
So do I... There is a difference between George Floyd and breaking the law. Nitpick the numbers all you guys want, a majority of Americans think George Floyd was murdered. It somewhat proves my point... You can support BLM and think George Floyd was murdered but if you disagree with any single point or facet, you are wrong and on the wrong side of the discussion. Moekid won't accept anything that doesn't come out of his own mouth or keyboard... I was disagreeing with you saying that 99.9% of people think police brutality is an issue. Am I allowed to disagree? Yes you are and I apologize, my reply was harsh. 99.9% might be high but not by much IMHO... Its an opinionated number so there is no right answer.
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