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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 1, 2020 3:19:22 GMT -7
Wrongo. I would break the bank for a top WR and running back. Having Justin Herbert DEMANDS it. Until they fix the OL group, spending big dollars in free agency on a WR and RB is like putting three thousand dollar wheels on a four hundred dollar car. Did I say don't fix the OL ?
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 1, 2020 10:02:28 GMT -7
You likely can’t build Rome overnight here. I would focus on OL and DL this off season, maybe grab a decent RB1 in FA if you can’t find one in rounds 5-7 or UFA. Add better coaching and see how it goes. Then fix what’s left the following year.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 2, 2020 3:41:11 GMT -7
You likely can’t build Rome overnight here. I would focus on OL and DL this off season, maybe grab a decent RB1 in FA if you can’t find one in rounds 5-7 or UFA. Add better coaching and see how it goes. Then fix what’s left the following year. You're right. You can't. We have the rookie QB cap space to immediately help our rookie of the year. Throw the kitchen sink at the offense. Sign Diggs and Cole Beasley types (what ? you weren't paying attention to what Buffalo did to structure a playoff team. I was.). Go ahead and get that Metcalf type WR guy that hits FA. Screw it all. Sign the big league LT in FA, and draft Ingram's replacement to help Bosa on the opposite side of the D line. They simply are not allowed to fail at getting Herbert help. Its against the cosmos rules of the NFL. I know it, now you know it, and They know it too.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 2, 2020 7:19:50 GMT -7
You likely can’t build Rome overnight here. I would focus on OL and DL this off season, maybe grab a decent RB1 in FA if you can’t find one in rounds 5-7 or UFA. Add better coaching and see how it goes. Then fix what’s left the following year. You're right. You can't. We have the rookie QB cap space to immediately help our rookie of the year. Throw the kitchen sink at the offense. Sign Diggs and Cole Beasley types (what ? you weren't paying attention to what Buffalo did to structure a playoff team. I was.). Go ahead and get that Metcalf type WR guy that hits FA. Screw it all. Sign the big league LT in FA, and draft Ingram's replacement to help Bosa on the opposite side of the D line. They simply are not allowed to fail at getting Herbert help. Its against the cosmos rules of the NFL. I know it, now you know it, and They know it too. Agreed... I don't see the NFL letting that happen. The media seems to love Herbert seeing as how they all cried and had a fit when he cut his hair. You mention drafting Ingrams replacement instead of Sewell at OT, my thought on that is fluid... We NEED to bolster the oline and Sewell will be a bookend for years, on the other hand watching Chase Young play is a thing of beauty and I want a guy like him on my team!!
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 2, 2020 7:56:48 GMT -7
You likely can’t build Rome overnight here. I would focus on OL and DL this off season, maybe grab a decent RB1 in FA if you can’t find one in rounds 5-7 or UFA. Add better coaching and see how it goes. Then fix what’s left the following year. You're right. You can't. We have the rookie QB cap space to immediately help our rookie of the year. Throw the kitchen sink at the offense. Sign Diggs and Cole Beasley types (what ? you weren't paying attention to what Buffalo did to structure a playoff team. I was.). Go ahead and get that Metcalf type WR guy that hits FA. Screw it all. Sign the big league LT in FA, and draft Ingram's replacement to help Bosa on the opposite side of the D line. They simply are not allowed to fail at getting Herbert help. Its against the cosmos rules of the NFL. I know it, now you know it, and They know it too. It is my belief that it is quite rare that quality OL players make it to free agency. The healthy, talented OL players just get resigned by their current club. Spending in free agency as you are indicating will be very expensive in both money and term. Might be wise to be prepared for the end of that rookie QB contract, as Herbert looks to be really really expensive in both money and term.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 2, 2020 8:48:45 GMT -7
The only way most healthy OL leave teams, it seems, is aging out or getting too expensive to maintain. There’s a lesson there.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 2, 2020 9:50:10 GMT -7
You're right. You can't. We have the rookie QB cap space to immediately help our rookie of the year. Throw the kitchen sink at the offense. Sign Diggs and Cole Beasley types (what ? you weren't paying attention to what Buffalo did to structure a playoff team. I was.). Go ahead and get that Metcalf type WR guy that hits FA. Screw it all. Sign the big league LT in FA, and draft Ingram's replacement to help Bosa on the opposite side of the D line. They simply are not allowed to fail at getting Herbert help. Its against the cosmos rules of the NFL. I know it, now you know it, and They know it too. It is my belief that it is quite rare that quality OL players make it to free agency. The healthy, talented OL players just get resigned by their current club. Spending in free agency as you are indicating will be very expensive in both money and term. Might be wise to be prepared for the end of that rookie QB contract, as Herbert looks to be really really expensive in both money and term. agreed... Turner, Pouncey, and Bulaga are good examples. We thought we got solid pieces but they were false and not worth the ink on their contracts.
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Post by amped on Dec 2, 2020 12:08:02 GMT -7
Belichick will be getting a good look at our phenom rookie QB and 2 weeks in a row to see our new stadium.
#imjustsayin
(I hate BB, but his kind of detail is exactly what our team is missing)
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 2, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -7
Right now, on coaching, I would probably be leaning towards Arthur Smith, but only if we find a very competent and aggressive DC. If Bill Belichick becomes possible you have to put that option at the top.
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Post by sonorajim on Dec 2, 2020 13:02:46 GMT -7
Most current top OLs are mostly drafted by their current team. There are exceptions but draft is most reliable. Most also have 1st - 3rd rd starters but have developed later rd - UDFA players. Having a top OL takes scouting, coaching and time. Worst to first ain't happening. Keep draftees Lamp, Feeney, Pipkins, Tevi. Draft Sewell or Slater and a development player. Hire a quality HC & staff of his choosing.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 2, 2020 19:24:08 GMT -7
Most current top OLs are mostly drafted by their current team. There are exceptions but draft is most reliable. Most also have 1st - 3rd rd starters but have developed later rd - UDFA players. Having a top OL takes scouting, coaching and time. Worst to first ain't happening. Keep draftees Lamp, Feeney, Pipkins, Tevi. Draft Sewell or Slater and a development player. Hire a quality HC & staff of his choosing. Be really nice to draft Sewell, but he might be off the board, even if the Bolts draft 5th. If he is gone, then take the best talent, be it a CB (definitely a need) or Chase WR or Parsons ILB positions which both are needed to some extent. Then try and trade back into round 1, hoping to get Davis(OG), Cosmi(OT) or Humphrey(OC). I would not release any OL before they were beat out in TC for a roster spot. Definitely hire a new coaching staff.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 3, 2020 2:44:43 GMT -7
You're right. You can't. We have the rookie QB cap space to immediately help our rookie of the year. Throw the kitchen sink at the offense. Sign Diggs and Cole Beasley types (what ? you weren't paying attention to what Buffalo did to structure a playoff team. I was.). Go ahead and get that Metcalf type WR guy that hits FA. Screw it all. Sign the big league LT in FA, and draft Ingram's replacement to help Bosa on the opposite side of the D line. They simply are not allowed to fail at getting Herbert help. Its against the cosmos rules of the NFL. I know it, now you know it, and They know it too. It is my belief that it is quite rare that quality OL players make it to free agency. The healthy, talented OL players just get resigned by their current club. Spending in free agency as you are indicating will be very expensive in both money and term. Might be wise to be prepared for the end of that rookie QB contract, as Herbert looks to be really really expensive in both money and term. I'm shocked. Not that you wrote this, but af and lightsout42 "liked" the post ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you guys absolutely delusional ?? There's 4 more years on his rookie contract. You never ever worry that far down the line for transactions today. Unless you love losing. Never transact in fear and scared. I have never ever seen a GM in that situation not sign to try to improve a team because of 4 years left on a rookie contract ?? In fact, its just the opposite. You strike while you can. You guys worry way to much, and that's not how it works at all.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 3, 2020 7:04:49 GMT -7
It is my belief that it is quite rare that quality OL players make it to free agency. The healthy, talented OL players just get resigned by their current club. Spending in free agency as you are indicating will be very expensive in both money and term. Might be wise to be prepared for the end of that rookie QB contract, as Herbert looks to be really really expensive in both money and term.I'm shocked. Not that you wrote this, but af and lightsout42 "liked" the post ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you guys absolutely delusional ?? There's 4 more years on his rookie contract. You never ever worry that far down the line for transactions today. Unless you love losing. Never transact in fear and scared. I have never ever seen a GM in that situation not sign to try to improve a team because of 4 years left on a rookie contract ?? In fact, its just the opposite. You strike while you can. You guys worry way to much, and that's not how it works at all. That's exactly what I mean though. If Herbert keeps playing like he is and we can put pieces around him that make him even better, that 4 years (which will go by fast!) will see Herbert "likely" becoming the highest paid QB in the league. IMHO we have a window of 4 years to really build this team based on ownership and management, what do I mean by that? Once Herbert is king of the QB's, the Spanos coffers will be bare for other talent. Bank on it...
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 3, 2020 9:17:14 GMT -7
Contracts expiring 2021: MI, Perryman, Taylor, Henry, Pouncy, Green, Lamp, Feeney, Jenkins, Tevi, Vigil, Facyson, Badgley, Long, Addae, Groy, Rochelle, Toner, Pope....and a few other much less talented players.
Contracts expiring 2022: Turner, Hayward, MW, Joseph, Harris, Nwosu, J Jones, Kyzir White, Quessenberry, J Jackson, Guyton, along with few less talented players.
My point is there will be significant changes and or costs to retain coming forward. Throwing all concern out the window for a perceived time of opportunity is rarely effective. I get that having contracts go off the ledger gives money, while signings take money, but you need to be very careful about shifting money incorrectly and getting out of balance. I strongly believe (of course I am not in their management team so I do not know for certain) that there are already strategy discussions about who to keep, who to walk from, and more importantly, how to replace. It just isn't as easy as Freak implies, and every move has an impact on the budget.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 3, 2020 9:20:34 GMT -7
I'm shocked. Not that you wrote this, but af and lightsout42 "liked" the post ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you guys absolutely delusional ?? There's 4 more years on his rookie contract. You never ever worry that far down the line for transactions today. Unless you love losing. Never transact in fear and scared. I have never ever seen a GM in that situation not sign to try to improve a team because of 4 years left on a rookie contract ?? In fact, its just the opposite. You strike while you can. You guys worry way to much, and that's not how it works at all. That's exactly what I mean though. If Herbert keeps playing like he is and we can put pieces around him that make him even better, that 4 years (which will go by fast!) will see Herbert "likely" becoming the highest paid QB in the league. IMHO we have a window of 4 years to really build this team based on ownership and management, what do I mean by that? Once Herbert is king of the QB's, the Spanos coffers will be bare for other talent. Bank on it... I get the love for Herbert, but Herbert is far from becoming the highest paid QB. Might happen, smart to have that thinking as you plan, but he has many games to play really well before that hyperbole is not hyperbole.
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