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Post by moekid on May 29, 2021 14:35:28 GMT -7
I wouldn’t do it either but we should probably pump the brakes on the 3rd rounder with a lackluster college career (granted there are plenty of excuses around the TN offense). A bit early to say he filled any needs before he’s steps on the field Pump the brakes? HC Staley & staff are going to do their best to train him up & find a role for him. That's what I expect, no more, no less. Do I think he may do well? Of course. Our draft team targeted him with a valuable pick. How well remains to be seen. I think he's a good rookie WR & wish him well. We all hope he turns into Calvin Johnson but I wouldn’t expect that or Julio Jones type results.
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Post by sonorajim on May 29, 2021 16:53:01 GMT -7
Pump the brakes? HC Staley & staff are going to do their best to train him up & find a role for him. That's what I expect, no more, no less. Do I think he may do well? Of course. Our draft team targeted him with a valuable pick. How well remains to be seen. I think he's a good rookie WR & wish him well. We all hope he turns into Calvin Johnson but I wouldn’t expect that or Julio Jones type results. Agree. A decent #3 is the goal for his rookie year but who knows?
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Post by woodeye on May 29, 2021 18:31:31 GMT -7
"Julio Jones is WR #1 in the NFL." Torrey Smith--last week on SXM The only thing between us and a Super Bowl victory w/Julio, is that y'all get sphincteritis about giving up draft picks. Got it.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 29, 2021 21:59:58 GMT -7
"Julio Jones is WR #1 in the NFL." Torrey Smith--last week on SXM The only thing between us and a Super Bowl victory w/Julio, is that y'all get sphincteritis about giving up draft picks. Got it. Yup, all that is separating us from a Super Bowl is not having Julio Jones. I’m positive we’ll have an injury-free season since we’ll have no cap space remaining, so giving up a 1st rounder for the 32-year-old is a no-brainer. I’m now sold on the idea since draft picks are totally overrated.
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Post by boltgang74 on May 29, 2021 23:18:54 GMT -7
Risk it for the biscuit?
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Post by chargerfreak on May 30, 2021 2:47:40 GMT -7
We all hope he turns into Calvin Johnson but I wouldn’t expect that or Julio Jones type results. Agree. A decent #3 is the goal for his rookie year but who knows? That's all you can ask. You hope for more, but a third rounder is way trickier than people think. If he was your WR3 for 6 years, you should be thrilled.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 30, 2021 3:09:34 GMT -7
"Julio Jones is WR #1 in the NFL." Torrey Smith--last week on SXM The only thing between us and a Super Bowl victory w/Julio, is that y'all get sphincteritis about giving up draft picks. Got it. Yup, all that is separating us from a Super Bowl is not having Julio Jones. I’m positive we’ll have an injury-free season since we’ll have no cap space remaining, so giving up a 1st rounder for the 32-year-old is a no-brainer. I’m now sold on the idea since draft picks are totally overrated. I'm glad you posted this. I get it. I really do understand where you are coming from. Its a big picture position, and I like big picture. I have a different big picture for you to keep in mind: It doesn't have to be Julio Jones, and it doesn't have to be this year, but sooner rather than later this is the kind of big league move you have to make to be big league. You and others have been semi-brainwashed into the Chargers Way. Get choirboys. Get them through the draft. Get them on value trades, with value contracts. I understand the approach and philosophy FAR better than you would choose to believe. Because you figured out the scheme, you now fully subscribe to it. I want to ask you an honest question. No attacking, just honestly as one fan to another. Where has that gotten us ? I care about results, and I really don't care how we get there. Are you not sick and tired of winning teams making winning moves while we whistle past the graveyard ? I have a prime prime example for you. I THINK the only free agent this year I would have given a first round pick for was Ravens OT Orlando Brown Jr. I would have done it and not blinked an eye. We didn't do it. Ok. Not really our "style" of paying big free agent money. So he ends up at two super bowls in the last two years Kansas City, right in our own division ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ! These are the moves that modern day champions make. (Don't even get me started on New England). Just a different take, from someone that thinks a little different.
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Post by woodeye on May 30, 2021 3:53:10 GMT -7
Lawyers frame "facts" in a very narrow manner, so as to build their case.
Well, all shootout losses next year will be because we did not acquire Julio Jones.
At least part of that will be due to failure to recognize how good Julio is.
It will also involve presuming that we cannot make the trade work financially.
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Post by moekid on May 30, 2021 6:33:08 GMT -7
Lawyers frame "facts" in a very narrow manner, so as to build their case. Well, all shootout losses next year will be because we did not acquire Julio Jones. At least part of that will be due to failure to recognize how good Julio is. It will also involve presuming that we cannot make the trade work financially. Bring back Ingram and then we’ll talk
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Post by woodeye on May 30, 2021 7:35:45 GMT -7
Lawyers frame "facts" in a very narrow manner, so as to build their case. Well, all shootout losses next year will be because we did not acquire Julio Jones. At least part of that will be due to failure to recognize how good Julio is. It will also involve presuming that we cannot make the trade work financially. Bring back Ingram and then we’ll talk Rapper wannabe. Tricycle ridin' T-Rex. OK.
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Post by sonorajim on May 30, 2021 10:22:43 GMT -7
Aging edge depth before frivilous aging #1 WR! Get your minds right! Priorities! (tounge in cheek)
MI 1 yr would be cheap vet depth, lose no draft picks. Julio is clearly a bigger impact talent IF he stays healthy but at what cost? Personally, I see us winning more with D than passing shootouts, in which case edge depth may come in handy. I wasn't worried about our ability to move the ball. We have a very good WR/ TE/ RB receiver group. I also remember what Moss did for NE but what did they give for him? I'm not against Julio but if we get him it has to be because he wants to play for LAC bad enough to make sure we get a HOF talent on the field for the price of a vet backup.
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Post by frozendisc on May 30, 2021 12:07:14 GMT -7
The window on any roster build used to be Bosa, it is now Herbert. The current roster is not likely to win a Super Bowl this next year, so signing aging vets that are clearly staring at goodbye is a mistake. In other words, the Bolts are not that one player away. Use the roster spots on young players looking for the chance to prove themselves. Yes, most will not amount to much, but you also might find another Gates......
Giving up serious draft assets for Jones is stupid......Jones will be out of the league when Herbert is winning his first Super Bowl.
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Post by moekid on May 30, 2021 12:12:54 GMT -7
Aging edge depth before frivilous aging #1 WR! Get your minds right! Priorities! (tounge in cheek) MI 1 yr would be cheap vet depth, lose no draft picks. Julio is clearly a bigger impact talent IF he stays healthy but at what cost? Personally, I see us winning more with D than passing shootouts, in which case edge depth may come in handy. I wasn't worried about our ability to move the ball. We have a very good WR/ TE/ RB receiver group. I also remember what Moss did for NE but what did they give for him? I'm not against Julio but if we get him it has to be because he wants to play for LAC bad enough to make sure we get a HOF talent on the field for the price of a vet backup. Yes defense. Let’s see a healthy Ingram with Staley. Ingram>>>>>Floyd
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Post by afboltfan on May 30, 2021 13:48:48 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on May 31, 2021 3:49:10 GMT -7
The window on any roster build used to be Bosa, it is now Herbert. The current roster is not likely to win a Super Bowl this next year, so signing aging vets that are clearly staring at goodbye is a mistake. In other words, the Bolts are not that one player away. Use the roster spots on young players looking for the chance to prove themselves. Yes, most will not amount to much, but you also might find another Gates...... Giving up serious draft assets for Jones is stupid......Jones will be out of the league when Herbert is winning his first Super Bowl. Except that it was never Bosa. The only window you ever heard about was Rivers. Never won a super bowl, times running out. Then while we paid "value" contracts, his window DID close. He's coaching HS football now, with no ring. NOW, they sign OL for Herbert. Even they saw themselves repeating what they did. There was no way they could stand the heat again with a second franchise QB. No way.
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