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Post by frozendisc on Mar 13, 2023 8:53:34 GMT -7
What does a rookie QB, top ten pick, make? Versus what is expected to sign Jackson..... In other words, would you rather have Herbert on a five year rookie contract, or Herbert on his second contract...... Herbert's base salary, if nothing changes, is a big jump from year four to five. This year is all in. Big changes in 2024. 2023 = $4.2 mill 2024 = $29.5 mil www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/justin-herbert-47599/ So let's say the first four years were 5 million a season, then the fifth year is 30 million. So basically 50 million for five years for Herbert. It is not a far stretch for a GM with a high pick, in a QB rich draft, to pass on signing a talented, but very expensive, veteran QB such as Jackson.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 13, 2023 10:34:23 GMT -7
What does a rookie QB, top ten pick, make? Versus what is expected to sign Jackson..... In other words, would you rather have Herbert on a five year rookie contract, or Herbert on his second contract...... Herbert's base salary, if nothing changes, is a big jump from year four to five. This year is all in. Big changes in 2024. 2023 = $4.2 mill 2024 = $29.5 mil www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/justin-herbert-47599/ Next year we'll be in rebuild mode.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 15, 2023 14:16:42 GMT -7
Cowboys release Zeke.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 18, 2023 8:28:43 GMT -7
Maybe the Cowboys would be willing to trade for Ekeler? Anyone have any speculation on what clubs might actually be interested in Ekeler?
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Post by moekid on Mar 18, 2023 10:21:57 GMT -7
Maybe the Cowboys would be willing to trade for Ekeler? Anyone have any speculation on what clubs might actually be interested in Ekeler? Haven’t heard a word about Ek meeting with anyone |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 19, 2023 7:47:02 GMT -7
Maybe the Cowboys would be willing to trade for Ekeler? Anyone have any speculation on what clubs might actually be interested in Ekeler? Haven’t heard a word about Ek meeting with anyone That seems strange, Ekeler being the huge value that he is..... I know, it is collusion between the owners to keep RB pay low.
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Post by moekid on Mar 19, 2023 8:43:56 GMT -7
Haven’t heard a word about Ek meeting with anyone That seems strange, Ekeler being the huge value that he is..... I know, it is collusion between the owners to keep RB pay low. But I didn’t hear a word about who Drue Tranquil was talking to until the deal was done. Most times these things are quiet until there’s an actual deal. This isn’t A-A-Ron Rodgers |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 19, 2023 9:02:44 GMT -7
That seems strange, Ekeler being the huge value that he is..... I know, it is collusion between the owners to keep RB pay low. But I didn’t hear a word about who Drue Tranquil was talking to until the deal was done. Most times these things are quiet until there’s an actual deal. This isn’t A-A-Ron Rodgers Perhaps, after all the coverage about wanting a trade and being given permission to seek one, there simply isn't much interest from any clubs that have been contacted. Another issue I wonder about......When Ekeler's agent requested permission to seek a trade, was there a contract offer on the table from the Chargers? If there was, has it been removed? If I was GM, that would be the cost to Ekeler receiving permission to seek a trade.
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Post by sdc on Mar 19, 2023 10:01:05 GMT -7
But I didn’t hear a word about who Drue Tranquil was talking to until the deal was done. Most times these things are quiet until there’s an actual deal. This isn’t A-A-Ron Rodgers Another issue I wonder about......When Ekeler's agent requested permission to seek a trade, was there a contract offer on the table from the Chargers? If there was, has it been removed? If I was GM, that would be the cost to Ekeler receiving permission to seek a trade. Ok AJ Smith. That might have worked 40 years ago. Creating an adversarial relationship between one of your star players and the front office is a bad idea. Thus far there are no bad guys in this. Why would you want to make Ekeler a sympathetic character both to the media and in the locker room.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 19, 2023 11:10:37 GMT -7
Another issue I wonder about......When Ekeler's agent requested permission to seek a trade, was there a contract offer on the table from the Chargers? If there was, has it been removed? If I was GM, that would be the cost to Ekeler receiving permission to seek a trade. Ok AJ Smith. That might have worked 40 years ago. Creating an adversarial relationship between one of your star players and the front office is a bad idea. Thus far there are no bad guys in this. Why would you want to make Ekeler a sympathetic character both to the media and in the locker room. It isn't about having a hard edge approach, much more about what is fair. Ekeler does not like the offered contract, has little leverage, but decides to ask for permission to seek a trade that would facilitate Ekeler getting the contract he believes he deserves. TT responds 'ok, but if we agree to do that (give permission) then understand our offered contract is no longer available to you. Nothing is free, you want to seek better circumstances, you do it without this contract offer as a fallback position.' The relationship is adversarial to a degree, regardless of tone, is it not? And why is it not being adversarial for a player under contract to ask for permission to seek a trade? TT opened this door when he allowed the 'seek a trade'...... As I posted previously, the answer should have been a simple 'no'......
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 19, 2023 11:17:38 GMT -7
Ok AJ Smith. That might have worked 40 years ago. Creating an adversarial relationship between one of your star players and the front office is a bad idea. Thus far there are no bad guys in this. Why would you want to make Ekeler a sympathetic character both to the media and in the locker room. Ekeler does not like the offered contract, has little leverage, but decides to ask for permission to seek a trade that would facilitate Ekeler getting the contract he believes he deserves. TT responds 'ok, but if we agree to do that (give permission) then understand our offered contract is no longer available to you. Nothing is free, you want to seek better circumstances, you do it without this contract offer as a fallback position.' The relationship is adversarial to a degree, regardless of tone, is it not? And why is it not being adversarial for a player under contract to ask for permission to seek a trade? TT opened this door when he allowed the 'seek a trade'...... As I posted previously, the answer should have been a simple 'no'...... Fair to whom? For what?
No its not... smh...
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 19, 2023 12:30:14 GMT -7
It isn't about having a hard edge approach, much more about what is fair. Ekeler does not like the offered contract, has little leverage, but decides to ask for permission to seek a trade that would facilitate Ekeler getting the contract he believes he deserves. TT responds 'ok, but if we agree to do that (give permission) then understand our offered contract is no longer available to you. Nothing is free, you want to seek better circumstances, you do it without this contract offer as a fallback position.' The relationship is adversarial to a degree, regardless of tone, is it not? And why is it not being adversarial for a player under contract to ask for permission to seek a trade? TT opened this door when he allowed the 'seek a trade'...... As I posted previously, the answer should have been a simple 'no'...... Fair to whom? For what?
No its not... smh...
Fair to both sides. Explain to me how it is fair for a player under contract to ask permission to seek a trade, and how just asking that would not create adversarial attitudes. Yes, it is......very much so in some cases. There is a reason agents are hired, right? Sometimes managements numbers match up really close to the players, making a deal quite easy to accomplish. Other times, not so much.....making it adversarial while trying to find acceptable numbers.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 19, 2023 14:05:06 GMT -7
Fair to whom? For what?
No its not... smh...
Fair to both sides. Explain to me how it is fair for a player under contract to ask permission to seek a trade, and how just asking that would not create adversarial attitudes. Yes, it is......very much so in some cases. There is a reason agents are hired, right? Sometimes managements numbers match up really close to the players, making a deal quite easy to accomplish. Other times, not so much.....making it adversarial while trying to find acceptable numbers. Adversarial is a strong term and doesn't fit IMO, but you can use it if you want. Do you really think ANYONE is thinking fairness in the NFL? Players or teams? Not in the slightest... Besides, asking for a trade is just that its "asking". I firmly believe if a GM gets an adversarial attitude toward a player in that instance where there was none before he/she has no business being a GM in the NFL. SDC's AJ Smith comment was spot on.
I get what your saying though.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 19, 2023 15:09:58 GMT -7
Fair to both sides. Explain to me how it is fair for a player under contract to ask permission to seek a trade, and how just asking that would not create adversarial attitudes. Yes, it is......very much so in some cases. There is a reason agents are hired, right? Sometimes managements numbers match up really close to the players, making a deal quite easy to accomplish. Other times, not so much.....making it adversarial while trying to find acceptable numbers. Adversarial is a strong term and doesn't fit IMO, but you can use it if you want. Do you really think ANYONE is thinking fairness in the NFL? Players or teams? Not in the slightest... Besides, asking for a trade is just that its "asking". I firmly believe if a GM gets an adversarial attitude toward a player in that instance where there was none before he/she has no business being a GM in the NFL. SDC's AJ Smith comment was spot on.
I get what your saying though.
Nope, fair really is not part of the equation. It tilts League, Club, Player......and even with the NFLPA's creation, it still tilts that order. TT should have simply responded 'no' when asked. AJ operated when control was much more in the players face, but to think that today's owners are not just as committed to control is delusional. The iron fist just has a velvet glove on now.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 19, 2023 15:31:41 GMT -7
Adversarial is a strong term and doesn't fit IMO, but you can use it if you want. Do you really think ANYONE is thinking fairness in the NFL? Players or teams? Not in the slightest... Besides, asking for a trade is just that its "asking". I firmly believe if a GM gets an adversarial attitude toward a player in that instance where there was none before he/she has no business being a GM in the NFL. SDC's AJ Smith comment was spot on.
I get what your saying though.
Nope, fair really is not part of the equation. It tilts League, Club, Player......and even with the NFLPA's creation, it still tilts that order. TT should have simply responded 'no' when asked. AJ operated when control was much more in the players face, but to think that today's owners are not just as committed to control is delusional. The iron fist just has a velvet glove on now. He really had nothing to lose other than media attention, and was likely to get that anyways. Was a positive for him in that regard.
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