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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 22:06:46 GMT -7
I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. I think 'vaccination' has nothing to do with it. You test positive for covid, you make the list. You get a certain number of negative results, and off the list. The NFL memo makes a very clear distinction between the treatment of vaccinated and unvaccinated players. The two negative tests 24 hours apart standard applies to vaccinated individuals, but not to unvaccinated individuals. _____ If a vaccinated person tests positive and is asymptomatic, he or she will be isolated and contact tracing will promptly occur. The positive individual will be permitted to return to duty after two negative tests at least 24-hours apart and will thereafter be tested every two weeks or as directed by the medical staffs. Vaccinated individuals will not be subject to quarantine as a result of close contact with an infected person. If an unvaccinated person tests positive, the protocols from 2020 will remain in effect. The person will be isolated for a period of 10 days and will then be permitted to return to duty if asymptomatic. Unvaccinated individuals will continue to be subject to a five-day quarantine period if they have close contact with an infected individual.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 22:26:44 GMT -7
Bosa miked up at the joint practice(s).
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 22:32:11 GMT -7
I’ll take a look tomorrow. I was searching for this and couldn’t find it. 🍺
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 24, 2021 3:52:00 GMT -7
I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough. I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. You told me on a different post that you abstain from talking about the vaccine because you are not an expert and yet here in this post you are expertly choosing to cherry pick only the available information that supports your argument. Aren’t you being disingenuous when you draw a false equivalency between vaccinated and unvaccinated? Yes, they can both be contagious but why not mention that the science also has shown that infected vaccinated people kick the virus sooner and are therefore contagious for a significantly shorter periods of time? You kind of forgot to point that out eh? Those scientific facts are the reason the protocols appear more lenient towards vaccinated players, it’s not a scarlet letter, the NFL is actually going off the science on this. Kudos to you for reading ALL 100 hundred pages… but I’ll go with Mike Florio’s interpretation on this document. He was the first person I saw that educated people on the legal aspects of anything NFL related. He’s is still or was an attorney before he got into broadcasting and his interpretation is basically what joe said on his post.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 24, 2021 4:06:51 GMT -7
I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. I think 'vaccination' has nothing to do with it. You test positive for covid, you make the list. You get a certain number of negative results, and off the list. What? Then how do you explain the pathway thru which a vaccinated player who tests positive can return within 72 hours if he passes 2 subsequent test within a 24 hour window? Unvaccinated players have to quarantine for minimum of ten days and then still their pathway is affected by the severity of their symptoms. So an unvaccinated player could easily miss 2 weeks plus after testing positive. You honestly don’t think the vaccine plays a role? So per your logic the NFL is deliberately trying to spread the virus? LOL, and NO, they are trying to minimize spread because $$$$$$$
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Post by sdc on Aug 24, 2021 4:47:04 GMT -7
I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. There is no Covid / Reserve list for coaches, and the rule is that vaccinated players stay away until two negative tests are taken 24 hours apart. Why would a player be required to go on the list that opens a roster spot when they are likely to return in two-three days time? That takes all of the teeth out of the NFL policy if players are treated the same despite totally different protocols being spelled out in the memo. I stand by my reading of the memo that you only go on the COVID / Reserve list if you are unvaccinated. If you are a coach or player who is vaccinated and catches COVID or had close contact with somebody who caught it, you may be removed from practices & meetings for a short time (probably until the two negative tests taken 24 hours apart standard for vaccinated individuals set in the memo), but you don’t go on the COVID / Reserve list. In Adderley’s case, Staley stated last Thursday that he missed the first joint practice with a migraine, missed Friday’s practice as well and was then placed on COVID / Reserve on Saturday. Tomorrow will be five days after he first missed practice, so if the rule is in fact that vaccinated players who contract COVID or were close contacts go on the list, then we should see Adderley back on the field within the next couple of days. I hope that I am proven wrong and it turns out that all players go on the list regardless of their vaccination status, and Nasir will be preparing for some badly needed game action on Saturday. 🍺 This clearly refutes most everything that you wrote. About coaches, about vaccinated or non vaccinated. 93% of Cowboys are fully vaccinated and yet 4 players are in the protocol. Coach Quinn is in it also and he his vaccinated. www.dallascowboys.com/news/ceedee-lamb-among-5-cowboys-in-covid-protocol
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 5:20:23 GMT -7
All but Freak.....he is far from useless, is he not? He exalts himself and a fewer of the kinder gentler ones placate him, but at the end of the day, his only real greatness is that he is more useless than the rest of us combined. I am Freak McEmperor and I approve this message. *Paid for by the committee to re-elect Freak McEmperor
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 5:32:27 GMT -7
I think 'vaccination' has nothing to do with it. You test positive for covid, you make the list. You get a certain number of negative results, and off the list. What? Then how do you explain the pathway thru which a vaccinated player who tests positive can return within 72 hours if he passes 2 subsequent test within a 24 hour window? Unvaccinated players have to quarantine for minimum of ten days and then still their pathway is affected by the severity of their symptoms. So an unvaccinated player could easily miss 2 weeks plus after testing positive. You honestly don’t think the vaccine plays a role? So per your logic the NFL is deliberately trying to spread the virus? LOL, and NO, they are trying to minimize spread because $$$$$$$ NOT ABOUT THE MONEY ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............................I mean, uh, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. YEAH YEAH. that's it !!! Its NEVER about the money !!!! We are not known for anything to be about the money !!! It's, it's, it's..............about player and fan safety !! Yes, that's what it is !!!!!!!!! We pinky swear it and everything.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 5:50:31 GMT -7
Did our kids Palmer and Parnham get playing time ? I'm only about in the 3rd quarter of my recording of the game. I want to save them and spring them on the league this regular season. Palmer some. He caught the TD pass from Stick. I was looking for Parham but didn't see him. Save yourself some time and skip the rest of the game. Second half was a bunch of nobodies doing nothing. Well Chase Daniel did quite a bit. None of it good. I wish I had read this post before I watched the second half. Daniel was so bad, Stick is back in the fight for the number 2 spot !!!
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 6:02:07 GMT -7
Did our kids Palmer and Parnham get playing time ? I'm only about in the 3rd quarter of my recording of the game. I want to save them and spring them on the league this regular season. Parham had a butt bruise (bruised tailbone) from the second joint practice and was held out. About the only things that you can take away from yesterday is that the defense has a lot more depth than the offense, Stick has looked better than Daniels & will be much more effective if the oline leaks and that the offensive starters better stay healthy at the oline and RB positions. With it being an exhibition game with more than 3/4 of the starters sitting combined with a 4:30 PM Sunday kickoff, I sold my four tickets for about 1/2 price … and I’m glad that I did. Yeah they have some tough decisions on defense to make cuts for depth. Staley said WR depth was a strength, and I didn't believe him. I believe him now. How many WR's do we carry ? 6 ? I think 5 and 6 are up for grabs. Allen, Palmer, Williams, Johnson, Guyton (the team is bigger on him than I am), KJ Hill. That leaves off Jason Moore, Joe Reed, Prohl, Hurst, and Bandy.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 24, 2021 6:44:26 GMT -7
I think 'vaccination' has nothing to do with it. You test positive for covid, you make the list. You get a certain number of negative results, and off the list. What? Then how do you explain the pathway thru which a vaccinated player who tests positive can return within 72 hours if he passes 2 subsequent test within a 24 hour window? Unvaccinated players have to quarantine for minimum of ten days and then still their pathway is affected by the severity of their symptoms. So an unvaccinated player could easily miss 2 weeks plus after testing positive. You honestly don’t think the vaccine plays a role? So per your logic the NFL is deliberately trying to spread the virus? LOL, and NO, they are trying to minimize spread because $$$$$$$ My point was about making the 'list'......and becoming unavailable to the club. Test positive, make the list. Length of that unavailability is unpredictable. Yes, in most cases the vaccinated recover much more quickly, and possibly available in a week or so, but not all cases. The flip side is the unvaccinated by the simple fact of being unvaccinated buy themselves ten days of unavailability, at minimum. It is easy to see the preference from the club perspective. Clearly the NFL prefers to have all vaccinated, but the dollars earned does not change in any significant amount.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 24, 2021 6:48:29 GMT -7
There is no Covid / Reserve list for coaches, and the rule is that vaccinated players stay away until two negative tests are taken 24 hours apart. Why would a player be required to go on the list that opens a roster spot when they are likely to return in two-three days time? That takes all of the teeth out of the NFL policy if players are treated the same despite totally different protocols being spelled out in the memo. I stand by my reading of the memo that you only go on the COVID / Reserve list if you are unvaccinated. If you are a coach or player who is vaccinated and catches COVID or had close contact with somebody who caught it, you may be removed from practices & meetings for a short time (probably until the two negative tests taken 24 hours apart standard for vaccinated individuals set in the memo), but you don’t go on the COVID / Reserve list. In Adderley’s case, Staley stated last Thursday that he missed the first joint practice with a migraine, missed Friday’s practice as well and was then placed on COVID / Reserve on Saturday. Tomorrow will be five days after he first missed practice, so if the rule is in fact that vaccinated players who contract COVID or were close contacts go on the list, then we should see Adderley back on the field within the next couple of days. I hope that I am proven wrong and it turns out that all players go on the list regardless of their vaccination status, and Nasir will be preparing for some badly needed game action on Saturday. 🍺 This clearly refutes most everything that you wrote. About coaches, about vaccinated or non vaccinated. 93% of Cowboys are fully vaccinated and yet 4 players are in the protocol. Coach Quinn is in it also and he his vaccinated. www.dallascowboys.com/news/ceedee-lamb-among-5-cowboys-in-covid-protocol I believe that "in protocol" is a voluntary disclosure that (as you note) doesn't disclose the player's vaccination status. The "migraine" report from the Chargers regarding Adderley last Thursday appears to be an in-kind disclosure from the Chargers since Covid-status doesn't have to be reported until they go on the list. This article posted an hour ago is the first source that I have read that clearly states a player who is vaccinated can be placed on the list: The bad news is the Dallas Cowboys are having some complications due to COVID-19 protocols, but the good news is the timing of it all. Last week, both defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and defensive tackle Carlos Watkins were absent from AT&T Stadium when the Cowboys hosted the Houston Texans, out of an "abundance of caution" in adhering to league-wide protocols on how to handle COVID-19 -- contact tracing included. Two days later, three more have joined them, with the Cowboys moving CeeDee Lamb, Malik Hooker and rookie safety Israel Mukuamu to the COVID/Reserve list on Monday, sources tell CBS Sports.
Being moved to that list doesn't in and of itself reveal a player's vaccination status, but the timeline in which they return might. If a player is vaccinated, they're allowed to return if they're symptom-free and deliver two negative tests that are 24 hours apart. An unvaccinated player, however, must be quarantined a full 10 days.
Sources say Lamb is fully vaccinated and Hooker received his initial shot during the onboarding process with the Cowboys (hence the holdup from agreeing to terms to appearing in camp), and his second is expected any day now. Mukuamu is fully vaccinated as well, so all three have a shot at returning to the field much, much sooner than later. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-ceedee-lamb-malik-hooker-added-to-covid-19-list-ahead-of-final-preseason-game/Since Adderley and Smith were placed on the list on Saturday (and Adderley apparently suffering from symptoms a couple of days earlier), both should be returning to action any day now if they were vaccinated. If not, both will miss the final preseason game which is not good preparation for Adderley who has had limited on-field experience his first two seasons, missed both of the joint practices and exhibition game with the 49ers, and is being counted on to play a key role in 2021.
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Post by lazylightning on Aug 24, 2021 7:47:46 GMT -7
Parham had a butt bruise (bruised tailbone) from the second joint practice and was held out. About the only things that you can take away from yesterday is that the defense has a lot more depth than the offense, Stick has looked better than Daniels & will be much more effective if the oline leaks and that the offensive starters better stay healthy at the oline and RB positions. With it being an exhibition game with more than 3/4 of the starters sitting combined with a 4:30 PM Sunday kickoff, I sold my four tickets for about 1/2 price … and I’m glad that I did. Yeah they have some tough decisions on defense to make cuts for depth. Staley said WR depth was a strength, and I didn't believe him. I believe him now. How many WR's do we carry ? 6 ? I think 5 and 6 are up for grabs. Allen, Palmer, Williams, Johnson, Guyton (the team is bigger on him than I am), KJ Hill. That leaves off Jason Moore, Joe Reed, Prohl, Hurst, and Bandy. Hill, Prohl, & Bandy are on the bubble. I don't think Hill is a lock.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 7:58:43 GMT -7
What? Then how do you explain the pathway thru which a vaccinated player who tests positive can return within 72 hours if he passes 2 subsequent test within a 24 hour window? Unvaccinated players have to quarantine for minimum of ten days and then still their pathway is affected by the severity of their symptoms. So an unvaccinated player could easily miss 2 weeks plus after testing positive. You honestly don’t think the vaccine plays a role? So per your logic the NFL is deliberately trying to spread the virus? LOL, and NO, they are trying to minimize spread because $$$$$$$ My point was about making the 'list'......and becoming unavailable to the club. Test positive, make the list. Length of that unavailability is unpredictable. Yes, in most cases the vaccinated recover much more quickly, and possibly available in a week or so, but not all cases. The flip side is the unvaccinated by the simple fact of being unvaccinated buy themselves ten days of unavailability, at minimum. It is easy to see the preference from the club perspective. Clearly the NFL prefers to have all vaccinated, but the dollars earned does not change in any significant amount. If there is an outbreak, a game for both teams will be forfeit. Do you know how much money is lost on that ?? Joe McRugby will have to help here, but I bet stadium revenue ALONE is close to 10 million dollars. You get into TV Rights, whew. Other factors too. It cascades for multiple games. You are mistaken.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 8:02:40 GMT -7
Yeah they have some tough decisions on defense to make cuts for depth. Staley said WR depth was a strength, and I didn't believe him. I believe him now. How many WR's do we carry ? 6 ? I think 5 and 6 are up for grabs. Allen, Palmer, Williams, Johnson, Guyton (the team is bigger on him than I am), KJ Hill. That leaves off Jason Moore, Joe Reed, Prohl, Hurst, and Bandy. Hill, Prohl, & Bandy are on the bubble. I don't think Hill is a lock. He's not a lock but he is also a Return Man that I don't think Reed is beating him out of. Once you get to 5 or 6 there is no lock. It'll be interesting. 5, 6, and Practice Squad.
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