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Post by frozendisc on Aug 24, 2021 8:04:09 GMT -7
My point was about making the 'list'......and becoming unavailable to the club. Test positive, make the list. Length of that unavailability is unpredictable. Yes, in most cases the vaccinated recover much more quickly, and possibly available in a week or so, but not all cases. The flip side is the unvaccinated by the simple fact of being unvaccinated buy themselves ten days of unavailability, at minimum. It is easy to see the preference from the club perspective. Clearly the NFL prefers to have all vaccinated, but the dollars earned does not change in any significant amount. If there is an outbreak, a game for both teams will be forfeit. Do you know how much money is lost on that ?? Joe McRugby will have to help here, but I bet stadium revenue ALONE is close to 10 million dollars. You get into TV Rights, whew. Other factors too. It cascades for multiple games. You are mistaken. Yep, if there is a large amount of infections to endanger a game, huge dollars...... But the protocols the NFL has adopted seem to make that scenario unlikely. Missing a player here or there has no effect, which was what I meant.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 8:14:56 GMT -7
If there is an outbreak, a game for both teams will be forfeit. Do you know how much money is lost on that ?? Joe McRugby will have to help here, but I bet stadium revenue ALONE is close to 10 million dollars. You get into TV Rights, whew. Other factors too. It cascades for multiple games. You are mistaken. Yep, if there is a large amount of infections to endanger a game, huge dollars...... But the protocols the NFL has adopted seem to make that scenario unlikely. Missing a player here or there has no effect, which was what I meant. Have you heard the Chargers vaccination percentage ? I have not heard the latest. I think I heard Atlanta was the first 100% vaccinated club. Minnesota is having problems. Cousins the starting QB absolutely refuses to get the vaccine, and other players are following him. The coach even brought in a vaccine expert to address the team.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 24, 2021 8:26:00 GMT -7
Yep, if there is a large amount of infections to endanger a game, huge dollars...... But the protocols the NFL has adopted seem to make that scenario unlikely. Missing a player here or there has no effect, which was what I meant. Have you heard the Chargers vaccination percentage ? I have not heard the latest. I think I heard Atlanta was the first 100% vaccinated club. Minnesota is having problems. Cousins the starting QB absolutely refuses to get the vaccine, and other players are following him. The coach even brought in a vaccine expert to address the team. I have not heard anything. I am trying to spend a bit more time on here, but this is the only place I expend time on NFL. NHL is requiring vaccination of any personnel that work directly around the players. It will be interesting to see the level of vaccinations with players next season, I would expect it is quite high, but....
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 24, 2021 9:38:41 GMT -7
Yep, if there is a large amount of infections to endanger a game, huge dollars...... But the protocols the NFL has adopted seem to make that scenario unlikely. Missing a player here or there has no effect, which was what I meant. Have you heard the Chargers vaccination percentage ? I have not heard the latest. I think I heard Atlanta was the first 100% vaccinated club. Minnesota is having problems. Cousins the starting QB absolutely refuses to get the vaccine, and other players are following him. The coach even brought in a vaccine expert to address the team. The last I read about charger vax rates was like 10 days ago so this information is not up to date. There was a short 4-5 sentence story on how they had started the offseason on the bottom of the vax rates but had shot up to 92% by the first week of training camp. I’m going to be positive and assume that number has improved in the last ten days. Plus keeping in mind that any ‘on the bubble’ players that might be un vaxed will be off the roster in 8 days which could potentially change the rate too.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 24, 2021 12:02:41 GMT -7
Justin Herbert is 20-1 to win MVP.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
I mean hell, 20 bucks bet would get you 420 back if you won !
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Post by sdc on Aug 24, 2021 13:12:06 GMT -7
I believe that "in protocol" is a voluntary disclosure that (as you note) doesn't disclose the player's vaccination status. The "migraine" report from the Chargers regarding Adderley last Thursday appears to be an in-kind disclosure from the Chargers since Covid-status doesn't have to be reported until they go on the list. This article posted an hour ago is the first source that I have read that clearly states a player who is vaccinated can be placed on the list: The bad news is the Dallas Cowboys are having some complications due to COVID-19 protocols, but the good news is the timing of it all. Last week, both defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and defensive tackle Carlos Watkins were absent from AT&T Stadium when the Cowboys hosted the Houston Texans, out of an "abundance of caution" in adhering to league-wide protocols on how to handle COVID-19 -- contact tracing included. Two days later, three more have joined them, with the Cowboys moving CeeDee Lamb, Malik Hooker and rookie safety Israel Mukuamu to the COVID/Reserve list on Monday, sources tell CBS Sports.
Being moved to that list doesn't in and of itself reveal a player's vaccination status, but the timeline in which they return might. If a player is vaccinated, they're allowed to return if they're symptom-free and deliver two negative tests that are 24 hours apart. An unvaccinated player, however, must be quarantined a full 10 days.
Sources say Lamb is fully vaccinated and Hooker received his initial shot during the onboarding process with the Cowboys (hence the holdup from agreeing to terms to appearing in camp), and his second is expected any day now. Mukuamu is fully vaccinated as well, so all three have a shot at returning to the field much, much sooner than later. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-ceedee-lamb-malik-hooker-added-to-covid-19-list-ahead-of-final-preseason-game/Since Adderley and Smith were placed on the list on Saturday (and Adderley apparently suffering from symptoms a couple of days earlier), both should be returning to action any day now if they were vaccinated. If not, both will miss the final preseason game which is not good preparation for Adderley who has had limited on-field experience his first two seasons, missed both of the joint practices and exhibition game with the 49ers, and is being counted on to play a key role in 2021. Thanks Joe. That was my point. Quite a few people hammered Adderley for not being vaccinated and going into the Covid Protocol. My point was to merely state that the faulty logic of Covid Protocol = Unvaccinated.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 24, 2021 13:27:25 GMT -7
Great news about Adderley! And now I am more informed about how the COVID / Reserve roster works with vaccination status, especially during the preseason where you can move a player off the list as soon as he clears protocol. Once the roster is set in early September, my understanding is that the COVID / Reserve list is supposed to operate like 2020 where you are ineligible for three games and a 53-man slot opens. If the team wants to avoid that ineligibility period hit, they’ll have to subtract a 53-man slot until the player returns. ____ The Los Angeles Chargers today waived long snapper Ryan Langan, wide receiver Austin Proehl, tight end Matt Seybert and tackle Kyle Spalding. In addition, linebacker Damon Lloyd and defensive lineman Chris Okoye were waived with injury designations. A player waived with an injury designation reverts to Reserve/Injured if he goes unclaimed on waivers. The team also activated safety Nasir Adderley from Reserve/COVID-19 in a corresponding move. www.chargers.com/news/chargers-trim-roster-to-80-players
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Post by sdc on Aug 24, 2021 15:48:53 GMT -7
Great news about Adderley! And now I am more informed about how the COVID / Reserve roster works with vaccination status, especially during the preseason where you can move a player off the list as soon as he clears protocol. Once the roster is set in early September, my understanding is that the COVID / Reserve list is supposed to operate like 2020 where you are ineligible for three games and a 53-man slot opens. If the team wants to avoid that ineligibility period hit, they’ll have to subtract a 53-man slot until the player returns. ____ The Los Angeles Chargers today waived long snapper Ryan Langan, wide receiver Austin Proehl, tight end Matt Seybert and tackle Kyle Spalding. In addition, linebacker Damon Lloyd and defensive lineman Chris Okoye were waived with injury designations. A player waived with an injury designation reverts to Reserve/Injured if he goes unclaimed on waivers. The team also activated safety Nasir Adderley from Reserve/COVID-19 in a corresponding move. www.chargers.com/news/chargers-trim-roster-to-80-playersSay it ain't so Joe. I just went back and saw that it was primarily you and Fouts Guy that were the ones that were condemning poor Nasir. Maybe that's why both of you went Shakespearean with your "thou dost protest too much". Do worry it's all good and we are all happy that Adderley is back in the fold.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 24, 2021 16:06:44 GMT -7
Yep, if there is a large amount of infections to endanger a game, huge dollars...... But the protocols the NFL has adopted seem to make that scenario unlikely. Missing a player here or there has no effect, which was what I meant. Have you heard the Chargers vaccination percentage ? I have not heard the latest. I think I heard Atlanta was the first 100% vaccinated club. Minnesota is having problems. Cousins the starting QB absolutely refuses to get the vaccine, and other players are following him. The coach even brought in a vaccine expert to address the team. The Chargers were over 90% the last I heard.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 24, 2021 16:11:25 GMT -7
Great news about Adderley! And now I am more informed about how the COVID / Reserve roster works with vaccination status, especially during the preseason where you can move a player off the list as soon as he clears protocol. Once the roster is set in early September, my understanding is that the COVID / Reserve list is supposed to operate like 2020 where you are ineligible for three games and a 53-man slot opens. If the team wants to avoid that ineligibility period hit, they’ll have to subtract a 53-man slot until the player returns. ____ The Los Angeles Chargers today waived long snapper Ryan Langan, wide receiver Austin Proehl, tight end Matt Seybert and tackle Kyle Spalding. In addition, linebacker Damon Lloyd and defensive lineman Chris Okoye were waived with injury designations. A player waived with an injury designation reverts to Reserve/Injured if he goes unclaimed on waivers. The team also activated safety Nasir Adderley from Reserve/COVID-19 in a corresponding move. www.chargers.com/news/chargers-trim-roster-to-80-playersSay it ain't so Joe. I just went back and saw that it was primarily you and Fouts Guy that were the ones that were condemning poor Nasir. Maybe that's why both of you went Shakespearean with your "thou dost protest too much". Do worry it's all good and we are all happy that Adderley us back in the fold. I am happy I was wrong with my reading of the memo. I promise myself and others that I will delve into the NFL-NFLPA Protocols this weekend. I was searching for and failed to turn up this document that I presume clears up a lot of the uncertainties that arise when reading the memo alone.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 24, 2021 16:15:31 GMT -7
Great news about Adderley! And now I am more informed about how the COVID / Reserve roster works with vaccination status, especially during the preseason where you can move a player off the list as soon as he clears protocol. Once the roster is set in early September, my understanding is that the COVID / Reserve list is supposed to operate like 2020 where you are ineligible for three games and a 53-man slot opens. If the team wants to avoid that ineligibility period hit, they’ll have to subtract a 53-man slot until the player returns.____ The Los Angeles Chargers today waived long snapper Ryan Langan, wide receiver Austin Proehl, tight end Matt Seybert and tackle Kyle Spalding. In addition, linebacker Damon Lloyd and defensive lineman Chris Okoye were waived with injury designations. A player waived with an injury designation reverts to Reserve/Injured if he goes unclaimed on waivers. The team also activated safety Nasir Adderley from Reserve/COVID-19 in a corresponding move. www.chargers.com/news/chargers-trim-roster-to-80-playersThat’s a nice loop hole for important players that are vaccinated. People like herbert are more than worth keeping an empty slot for a few days or even a week.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 24, 2021 16:17:46 GMT -7
Great news about Adderley! And now I am more informed about how the COVID / Reserve roster works with vaccination status, especially during the preseason where you can move a player off the list as soon as he clears protocol. Once the roster is set in early September, my understanding is that the COVID / Reserve list is supposed to operate like 2020 where you are ineligible for three games and a 53-man slot opens. If the team wants to avoid that ineligibility period hit, they’ll have to subtract a 53-man slot until the player returns. ____ The Los Angeles Chargers today waived long snapper Ryan Langan, wide receiver Austin Proehl, tight end Matt Seybert and tackle Kyle Spalding. In addition, linebacker Damon Lloyd and defensive lineman Chris Okoye were waived with injury designations. A player waived with an injury designation reverts to Reserve/Injured if he goes unclaimed on waivers. The team also activated safety Nasir Adderley from Reserve/COVID-19 in a corresponding move. www.chargers.com/news/chargers-trim-roster-to-80-playersSay it ain't so Joe. I just went back and saw that it was primarily you and Fouts Guy that were the ones that were condemning poor Nasir. Maybe that's why both of you went Shakespearean with your "thou dost protest too much". Do worry it's all good and we are all happy that Adderley is back in the fold. I guess you did read all 100 pages
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Post by cthommes on Aug 24, 2021 21:52:13 GMT -7
Wait, so do we hate Adderly or love him? This subject is almost as confusing as whether or not I have to wear a mask...
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 25, 2021 5:29:00 GMT -7
Wait, so do we hate Adderly or love him? This subject is almost as confusing as whether or not I have to wear a mask... Bags are the original masks, you're covered. Is Adderley refusing ? Well, they ain't cutting him no matter how much shit people talk. He's our starting FS for heaven's sake !
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 25, 2021 17:29:23 GMT -7
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