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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 7, 2021 8:33:03 GMT -7
When your WR3 and WR4 are better than your WR2… Good problem to have? I think it’s a good thing, it think it means the WR corps is deep, but better how tho? Better route runners and maybe better hands? Perhaps, but MWs still adds a physical dimension that teams have to worry about regardless of polish, dude can jump over people to win contested balls which is a nice luxury for any quarterback to have, especially in certain situations like in the redzone. I’ve been critical of MWs in the past too but he’s on the 2021 roster and it seems the team will allow him to walk after the year so I’m hoping he’ll have a good year, if that happens he will net the chargers a compensatory pick in 2023. Maybe someone like Jacksonville throws a bucket full of money at him in the offseason? I think MW is taking up a roster space and isn’t showing value or commitment in what I’ve seen and heard from camp, but perhaps he’ll make one or two really important catches no one else could have made. 🤷♂️
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Post by sdc on Aug 7, 2021 9:09:19 GMT -7
I think it’s a good thing, it think it means the WR corps is deep, but better how tho? Better route runners and maybe better hands? Perhaps, but MWs still adds a physical dimension that teams have to worry about regardless of polish, dude can jump over people to win contested balls which is a nice luxury for any quarterback to have, especially in certain situations like in the redzone. I’ve been critical of MWs in the past too but he’s on the 2021 roster and it seems the team will allow him to walk after the year so I’m hoping he’ll have a good year, if that happens he will net the chargers a compensatory pick in 2023. Maybe someone like Jacksonville throws a bucket full of money at him in the offseason? I think MW is taking up a roster space and isn’t showing value or commitment in what I’ve seen and heard from camp, but perhaps he’ll make one or two really important catches no one else could have made. 🤷♂️ I get the draft position bias but to say he is taking up a roster space is a bit much. Funny thing is most Charger fans liked Malcom Floyd the UDFA. Floyd never had a 1000 yard season. Floyd never caught 10 TD's in a season. Basically, Williams has been a better version of Floyd. Health has been a factor for both. My biggest complaint about Mike is not protecting himself when he high points the ball. He is supposed to be featured in this new offense. Also, in his defense, his job is to stretch the field which is difficult to do when you cannot run the ball or protect the QB. We've been playing "Chuck and Duck" the last couple of years which benefits the slot WR and RB's in the passing game. I for one, am excited to see what he can do in this offense.
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 7, 2021 9:30:07 GMT -7
My comment was purposefully a bit hyperbolic but not by much. Based on his performance it doesn’t seem that he cares. If that’s the case then he is indeed a waste of a roster space as his drive wouldn’t match his physical traits, potential, and skill—making a lesser but fiercely competitive player more overall.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 7, 2021 12:15:16 GMT -7
Slayer slays!
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 7, 2021 12:27:04 GMT -7
I think MW is taking up a roster space and isn’t showing value or commitment in what I’ve seen and heard from camp, but perhaps he’ll make one or two really important catches no one else could have made. 🤷♂️ I get the draft position bias but to say he is taking up a roster space is a bit much. Funny thing is most Charger fans liked Malcom Floyd the UDFA. Floyd never had a 1000 yard season. Floyd never caught 10 TD's in a season. Basically, Williams has been a better version of Floyd. Health has been a factor for both. My biggest complaint about Mike is not protecting himself when he high points the ball. He is supposed to be featured in this new offense. Also, in his defense, his job is to stretch the field which is difficult to do when you cannot run the ball or protect the QB. We've been playing "Chuck and Duck" the last couple of years which benefits the slot WR and RB's in the passing game. I for one, am excited to see what he can do in this offense. I’m excited because I think he’s playing for his big contract this year.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 7, 2021 12:33:19 GMT -7
Justin Jones on coach Staley: every time I leave a meeting with that guy I think damn he’s a good head coach
I’ll take my kool aid in Charger Blue
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 7, 2021 12:35:51 GMT -7
Don't sleep on Tyron Johnson, I'd still give him #3 over Palmer. Palmer was a third round draft pick so Johnson could beat him out. But I know the team is big on him so it’s Palmer’s position to lose Moe likes Johnson too I think Johnson would be a great wide receiver number four.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 7, 2021 12:47:19 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 7, 2021 12:50:26 GMT -7
Holy hell welcome to the nfl rookie !
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 7, 2021 14:11:12 GMT -7
It was reported yesterday that Samuel is seeking out reps against Slayer. He had just finished a play against the seconds, and Chris Harris was slotted to come in the next play. Samuel asked and received permission from Harris to stay in so that he could match up with KA.
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Post by moekid on Aug 7, 2021 15:36:28 GMT -7
Don't sleep on Tyron Johnson, I'd still give him #3 over Palmer. Palmer was a third round draft pick so Johnson could beat him out. But I know the team is big on him so it’s Palmer’s position to lose Moe likes Johnson too I think Johnson would be a great wide receiver number four. Palmer is getting good reviews at camp. Ty Johnson was showing out but has not practiced for several days? What’s up with that. In any case, if these guys are 3 and 4 I think we’re in good shape at WR. Still not sold on RB. What’s the word on the rook. We need that bruiser back. Ek is not a bell cow and JJ is fragile. Maybe Kelley takes a big step forward.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 7, 2021 16:08:19 GMT -7
I think it’s a good thing, it think it means the WR corps is deep, but better how tho? Better route runners and maybe better hands? Perhaps, but MWs still adds a physical dimension that teams have to worry about regardless of polish, dude can jump over people to win contested balls which is a nice luxury for any quarterback to have, especially in certain situations like in the redzone. I’ve been critical of MWs in the past too but he’s on the 2021 roster and it seems the team will allow him to walk after the year so I’m hoping he’ll have a good year, if that happens he will net the chargers a compensatory pick in 2023. Maybe someone like Jacksonville throws a bucket full of money at him in the offseason? I think MW is taking up a roster space and isn’t showing value or commitment in what I’ve seen and heard from camp, but perhaps he’ll make one or two really important catches no one else could have made. 🤷♂️ You could argue that what he brings to the team is not worth 15.5mil but I think that what he brings is still very much worth a roster spot, IMHO
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 7, 2021 16:19:27 GMT -7
Palmer was a third round draft pick so Johnson could beat him out. But I know the team is big on him so it’s Palmer’s position to lose Moe likes Johnson too I think Johnson would be a great wide receiver number four. Palmer is getting good reviews at camp. Ty Johnson was showing out but has not practiced for several days? What’s up with that. In any case, if these guys are 3 and 4 I think we’re in good shape at WR. Still not sold on RB. What’s the word on the rook. We need that bruiser back. Ek is not a bell cow and JJ is fragile. Maybe Kelley takes a big step forward. Bell cow? Look no further than darius bradwell, at 6’1” 235 he’s the only one that fits that profile, he’s a downhill one cut runner with a decent burst hard to bring down. Between him and rountree, the chargers have the inside runners they need to compliment ekeler, jackson, and kelly. Popper says bradwell is running with the 1st team on STs so he’s most likely going to make the 53 man roster. Lombardi is talking about two back sets to reduce wear and tear on austin and using him more as a WR/RB hybrid, I think all five RBs could potentially make the team, especially if they run a lot of 2 back sets. The odd man out might be Nabers, I read recently that they tried anderson at fullback/H-back type hybrid TE, so that might mean they are looking to move on from nabers to make room for the extra RB
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 7, 2021 18:21:02 GMT -7
Part of Popper’s post about today’s practice session. BTW Tyron Johnson has missed the last few practices with a leg injury. Nothing major, they’re being cautious. Starting units battle in two-minute drillThe final team period of every practice this week has featured a different late-game situation. On Friday, the offense got the ball at the plus-30-yard line with 40 seconds on the clock and no timeouts, needing a touchdown. On Saturday, it was a more traditional two-minute drill scenario. The offense got the ball at its own 25-yard line with 1:40 on the clock and one timeout, down four points. This was a compelling give-and-take battle between Joe Lombardi’s first-team offense and Brandon Staley’s first-team defense. Quarterback Justin Herbert started the drive by connecting with wide receiver Jalen Guyton on a quick out near the right sideline. Guyton appeared to get out of bounds, but the coaches announced that the clock was still running. So Herbert hurried his group to the line in the no-huddle and picked up a first down by finding Jared Cook in the middle of the field. Herbert showed off his out-of-structure prowess on the ensuing first down, extending the play by rolling to his right. He delivered a strike to Guyton along the sideline for another first down, and this time, Guyton got out of bounds to stop the clock at 1:02. The Chargers huddled, and Herbert then hit running back Austin Ekeler in the flat for a short gain to approach midfield. Then, on a second-and-9, Herbert uncorked what I believe is his best throw of camp so far. Herbert dropped back, and the protection held up. Cook was running a deep crossing route toward the right sideline. He was triple-covered. Herbert, though, saw a window and dropped this pass into a bucket. The touch and accuracy on the throw were sublime. Cook, though, was not ready for the ball. It was as if he did not think it was possible for Herbert to make the throw. The ball hit off his hand and bounced out of bounds incomplete. Herbert responded by completing a crosser to wide receiver Jason Moore for a new set of downs. After a short completion to running back Justin Jackson, the offense was threatening at the plus-35-yard line with 28.5 seconds remaining. Herbert and Moore had a miscommunication on second down. Moore stopped his route, and Herbert’s throw sailed incomplete. On third-and-7, Herbert found Keenan Allen — his go-to target on money downs. But the offensive line was called for a hold. That brought up third-and-17 with 17.4 seconds left. Herbert dropped back out of shotgun, but nothing was open downfield. Once again, he extended the play by rolling right. Cook made a savvy decision once he saw Herbert escape the pocket, sprinting down the sideline to carry Asante Samuel Jr., the lone defender in the flat, away from Herbert. Herbert saw that and took off running. But he kept his arm in a throwing position to freeze the defense, even though he was well past the line of scrimmage. That bought him enough time to pick up the first. It was shades of Patrick Mahomes scrambling for that first down on third-and-21 against the Chargers in Week 2 last season. Herbert’s hero-mode scramble set the Chargers offense up at the 32-yard line with 8.5 seconds left. And that is when Joey Bosa wrecked the drive. He came off the left defensive edge against right tackle Storm Norton, who was working with the first team Saturday because Bryan Bulaga had the day off. Initially, the Chargers were prepared. They had Ekeler in as a protector to chip on Bosa and help Norton. Bosa, though, was too quick. He faked like he was going to try and beat Ekeler to the edge before slipping inside and splitting the double-team. He then knocked the ball loose from Herbert for a strip-sack. Staley admitted after practice that Bosa got “a little too close to Justin.” “I’m glad he was back there,” Staley said of Bosa. “Now, we have to make sure that he’s away from Justin.” The offense recovered the fumble and called their timeout to stop the clock with 4.5 seconds left. Herbert’s Hail Mary attempt then fell incomplete — though the defense was not playing full speed so they could avoid any potential injuries. Thus far, the first-team defense has won three two-minute drills against the first-team offense. The offense has won two. “It’s really stressful out here,” Staley said of defending the Chargers’ two-minute offense. “There’s been such even, healthy competition. That’s what you’re looking for because that means that you probably are closer to being a balanced team.” theathletic.com/2757892/2021/08/07/chargers-training-camp-report-day-9-details-from-a-heated-two-minute-drill/
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 7, 2021 19:49:34 GMT -7
Anybody going to Fanfest tomorrow at SoFi? Practice starts at ~3:30 PM.
I plan on getting there in time to watch the headlining The Offspring concert that starts at about 2 PM. The concert is going to be held in the adjoining concert arena (seats about 10,000ish, but they are limiting it to 4,000 in the arena). The concerts start at noon and it's first come, first serve for those who want to watch the concerts in the arena. They'll be showing the concerts on the overhead Oculus at the stadium, so that's where my wife and I will probably watch it from. Only question remaining is whether they'll allow a mash pit for the concert. Doubtful, but it's really the only way to hold an Offspring concert.
I knew The Offspring came out of Garden Grove, but I only recently found out around Christmas-time that lead singer Dexter Holland went to Pacifica HS around the time my wife went there. When I asked Lynda if she knew him, she said "Who? Brian?" It turns out that Dexter (short for Poindexter as he was a bio-chem major at USC when the band was getting started in OC and recently earned a USC Ph.D.) was a year ahead of Lynda at Pacifica HS, they both ran on the cross country team and he grew up less than a quarter-mile from her in Garden Grove. A very small world.
The practice will probably be low-key, but I'll post my thoughts tomorrow night.
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