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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 19, 2021 18:09:19 GMT -7
I agree with this. The MW ship has sailed for today's date. The Org. made a decision, and now its time to ROLL. With Herbert, Allen, Williams, Palmer, and TE Cook, Ekeler, that was a pretty easy quote for Coach Staley !!!!!!! LMAO ! I think that other TE, Parham ?......is going to end up being the guy that surprises many. Parham absolutely stands out on the field among a pretty damned tall Chargers WR corps (all of those expected to make the roster are 6’1” and up). He has nifty feet for his size, and once Herbert gets used to how high he can throw the ball to him I believe that Parham will have an impact, especially in the red zone.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 20, 2021 5:23:44 GMT -7
I agree with this. The MW ship has sailed for today's date. The Org. made a decision, and now its time to ROLL. With Herbert, Allen, Williams, Palmer, and TE Cook, Ekeler, that was a pretty easy quote for Coach Staley !!!!!!! LMAO ! I think that other TE, Parham ?......is going to end up being the guy that surprises many. He looks good, and I'm sure they told him he can be Cook's replacement. It's up to him. He and Parker can be two youngsters that take off for us.
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Post by sdc on Aug 20, 2021 6:19:58 GMT -7
I think that other TE, Parham ?......is going to end up being the guy that surprises many. He looks good, and I'm sure they told him he can be Cook's replacement. It's up to him. He and Parker can be two youngsters that take off for us. I like him too but he has had a very quiet camp.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 20, 2021 7:52:58 GMT -7
He looks good, and I'm sure they told him he can be Cook's replacement. It's up to him. He and Parker can be two youngsters that take off for us. I like him too but he has had a very quiet camp. He had 2 catches for 31 yards against the Rams. Not too shabby for a TE. I BELIEVE they know what they have in him and want to give WR's look's in order to shape the cuts and depth chart for them..........get some RB's some routes so they can evaluate who can catch out of the back field etc etc. Parnham is 7 foot 6, so they like him in the red zone. I have been happy this camp they are using him for different routes. Down the sideline stuff has been nice to see. Different coaches, different schemes........
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 20, 2021 14:23:37 GMT -7
Coach staley is too smart to come out and say that MW has been a bust. It’s undeniable that he’s never lived up to his draft status, but most upsetting is the lack of improvement from year to year. Ownership likes mike and telesco drafted him, so it’s understandable staley is going to be PC about the way he talks about MW. He did the same when talking about pipkins earlier in the offseason almost made him sound good when he referred to him as a developing player. We all know pipkins was a bad pick by telesco and pipkins is not going to ‘poof and fairy god mother’ his way into becoming a starting NFL tackle. Every team makes bad selections, it’s impossible not to, but why does it seem like the chargers hold on to bad players longer than most teams, at some point being pragmatic and cutting your losses seems like the prudent thing to do. when staley heaps praise on low draft picks and undrafted rookie free agents he’s not doing to protect anyone’s ego or to be political with the front office, he’s doing it because he’s excited about those players. Everything about your post says MW is a 'bust' and a 'bad' player, but the HC Staley is too smart to say it out loud. Do I have that correct? It seems pretty unfathomable that the club would be willing to pay MW close to 15 million for the season if he is a bust and just plain bad. Perhaps a step back from your emotions, your disappointment in expectations about MW, will help you be more objective in your analysis of his value. * Staley heaps praise on everyone.....right up to when he cuts them. It comes with his job...... I could understand your reply if I’d written what I wrote 2-3 years ago, but now? Sadly there is no emotion involved, it just is what it is, what else do you call what the 7th overall pick has become? He’s arguably the 4rth best WR on the current roster behind allen, t-billy, and palmer. I guess the bust moniker comes down to what you expect from a 7th overall pick. unfortunately for MWs just getting by on athleticism is not going to cut it on this roster going forward, he’s had 5 years to develop, five. MW got the money because ownership likes the guy and probably because they want to recoup something in the way of compensatory pick for him after he hits the FA market in 2022. someone desperate for WR help will overpay him and the chargers will receive a comp in 2023. The fact they aren’t even negotiating with him on an extension tells me his days are numbered in a bolt uniform. I believe had the chargers rescinded the 5th year option (2021 was last year that was possible BTW) he would not have been a qualified FA, meaning the chargers would have gotten no compensatory pick for him in 2021 free agency.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 20, 2021 19:15:21 GMT -7
Everything about your post says MW is a 'bust' and a 'bad' player, but the HC Staley is too smart to say it out loud. Do I have that correct? It seems pretty unfathomable that the club would be willing to pay MW close to 15 million for the season if he is a bust and just plain bad. Perhaps a step back from your emotions, your disappointment in expectations about MW, will help you be more objective in your analysis of his value. * Staley heaps praise on everyone.....right up to when he cuts them. It comes with his job...... I could understand your reply if I’d written what I wrote 2-3 years ago, but now? Sadly there is no emotion involved, it just is what it is, what else do you call what the 7th overall pick has become? He’s arguably the 4rth best WR on the current roster behind allen, t-billy, and palmer. I guess the bust moniker comes down to what you expect from a 7th overall pick. unfortunately for MWs just getting by on athleticism is not going to cut it on this roster going forward, he’s had 5 years to develop, five. MW got the money because ownership likes the guy and probably because they want to recoup something in the way of compensatory pick for him after he hits the FA market in 2022. someone desperate for WR help will overpay him and the chargers will receive a comp in 2023. The fact they aren’t even negotiating with him on an extension tells me his days are numbered in a bolt uniform. I believe had the chargers rescinded the 5th year option (2021 was last year that was possible BTW) he would not have been a qualified FA, meaning the chargers would have gotten no compensatory pick for him in 2021 free agency. An argument could be presented for just about any viewpoint on something as subjective as evaluations of pro athletes. In the end we are left with what? Depth charts, playing time, targets, final individual statistics.....you tell me the gauge we will use to determine the WR rankings. Personally, I like who is playing as the gauge, so put me down for number of offensive plays played as the gauge. MW will not have to wait until 2022 to be overpaid......he already has a club doing that.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 21, 2021 4:23:48 GMT -7
I could understand your reply if I’d written what I wrote 2-3 years ago, but now? Sadly there is no emotion involved, it just is what it is, what else do you call what the 7th overall pick has become? He’s arguably the 4rth best WR on the current roster behind allen, t-billy, and palmer. I guess the bust moniker comes down to what you expect from a 7th overall pick. unfortunately for MWs just getting by on athleticism is not going to cut it on this roster going forward, he’s had 5 years to develop, five. MW got the money because ownership likes the guy and probably because they want to recoup something in the way of compensatory pick for him after he hits the FA market in 2022. someone desperate for WR help will overpay him and the chargers will receive a comp in 2023. The fact they aren’t even negotiating with him on an extension tells me his days are numbered in a bolt uniform. I believe had the chargers rescinded the 5th year option (2021 was last year that was possible BTW) he would not have been a qualified FA, meaning the chargers would have gotten no compensatory pick for him in 2021 free agency. An argument could be presented for just about any viewpoint on something as subjective as evaluations of pro athletes. In the end we are left with what? Depth charts, playing time, targets, final individual statistics.....you tell me the gauge we will use to determine the WR rankings. Personally, I like who is playing as the gauge, so put me down for number of offensive plays played as the gauge. MW will not have to wait until 2022 to be overpaid......he already has a club doing that. So you agree that Mike is being overpaid in 2021 but you still maintain he’s not a bust? Okay have it both ways, I’m sure you’ve found rationale that justifies your lopsided position. Truth is if MW was playing even a shade under the level at which allen plays, nobody would feel he is being overpaid this season. The fact that it’s almost unanimously accepted that MW doesn’t deserve his option pay is because everyone recognizes he hasn’t ‘earned’ it, if that doesn’t fit the definition of a bust then I don’t know what does. yesterday after the second joint practice with the 49ers herbert said this about palmer: “we had to tell him to leave the field because he stays so long after practice perfecting his routes. We reminded him that he has to play on sunday, the kid works so hard, it’s so important to him to be good at what he does” as if allen wasn’t already making williams look bad the last 5 years, now a rookie 3rd rounder comes in soaking up from allen in one offseason what williams has had 5 years to learn. perhaps MW didn’t think when he got here that KA had anything to teach him or perhaps he felt he was too good already or maybe he thinks it’s still a game and not his job to play football. All of that points to a diluted immature person or perhaps he just simply doesn’t give a rip. Hopefully when he’s in his 50s like me he won’t look back with regret at what could’ve been had he taken his profession more seriously.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 21, 2021 5:03:52 GMT -7
I would make Palmer WR 2 right now. He’s that good. I hope they limit him the rest of preseason. MW is a one trick pony of high pointing the ball. Catching it is 50-50 and he lands on injury. I’m sorry, but you all know it’s true. He’s completely allergic to the end zone too.
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 21, 2021 5:59:34 GMT -7
I would make Palmer WR 2 right now. He’s that good. I hope they limit him the rest of preseason. MW is a one trick pony of high pointing the ball. Catching it is 50-50 and he lands on injury. I’m sorry, but you all know it’s true. He’s completely allergic to the end zone too.QFT...
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 21, 2021 6:50:16 GMT -7
An argument could be presented for just about any viewpoint on something as subjective as evaluations of pro athletes. In the end we are left with what? Depth charts, playing time, targets, final individual statistics.....you tell me the gauge we will use to determine the WR rankings. Personally, I like who is playing as the gauge, so put me down for number of offensive plays played as the gauge. MW will not have to wait until 2022 to be overpaid......he already has a club doing that. So you agree that Mike is being overpaid in 2021 but you still maintain he’s not a bust? Okay have it both ways, I’m sure you’ve found rationale that justifies your lopsided position. Truth is if MW was playing even a shade under the level at which allen plays, nobody would feel he is being overpaid this season. The fact that it’s almost unanimously accepted that MW doesn’t deserve his option pay is because everyone recognizes he hasn’t ‘earned’ it, if that doesn’t fit the definition of a bust then I don’t know what does. yesterday after the second joint practice with the 49ers herbert said this about palmer: “we had to tell him to leave the field because he stays so long after practice perfecting his routes. We reminded him that he has to play on sunday, the kid works so hard, it’s so important to him to be good at what he does” as if allen wasn’t already making williams look bad the last 5 years, now a rookie 3rd rounder comes in soaking up from allen in one offseason what williams has had 5 years to learn. perhaps MW didn’t think when he got here that KA had anything to teach him or perhaps he felt he was too good already or maybe he thinks it’s still a game and not his job to play football. All of that points to a diluted immature person or perhaps he just simply doesn’t give a rip. Hopefully when he’s in his 50s like me he won’t look back with regret at what could’ve been had he taken his profession more seriously. No club takes the 5th year option on a bust player. Being overpaid, and a bust player, are simply not mutually required aspects. MW is overpaid at 15 mil/yr......in my view, he is a 10 mil/yr value. That said, the people that know this stuff chose to keep him at 15 mil/yr.......and it isn't because they 'like' him, or want a comp pick. Allen is a completely different styled WR than MW......making comparisons disingenuous at best. Waiting for you to stop dancing around and express your view on how to gauge these guys going forward. As I said, give me number of plays played..... Your final paragraph is just a bunch of conjecture, which makes it easy to ignore.
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 21, 2021 9:23:07 GMT -7
MW isn’t a bust, but MW is overpaid this year. MW isn’t a bad WR, he just isn’t a great one. MW isn’t lazy, but he is not taking advantage of all opportunities and pushing himself like others are. MW isn’t likely to be a Charger next year, but he is likely to be a starter somewhere next year.
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 21, 2021 10:40:24 GMT -7
From WalterFootball back in 2017, seems pretty accurate to this day. and then Then the comparison to Mike Evans... We wish. He's def not worth 15mil a year, 7-8 IMHO. Does Lombardi even use a West Coast Offense?
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 22, 2021 21:40:01 GMT -7
Is it possible that this staff will keep pikins around? I hate the idea of wishing someone losses their job but in this case I don’t give a crap because I want herbert healthy and playing. Pipkins is a liability, he’s just not strong enough to play in the NFL. It’s time to cut the umbelical…
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 23, 2021 6:00:12 GMT -7
Is it possible that this staff will keep pikins around? I hate the idea of wishing someone losses their job but in this case I don’t give a crap because I want herbert healthy and playing. Pipkins is a liability, he’s just not strong enough to play in the NFL. It’s time to cut the umbelical… frozenpuck swore by Pipkins from the day we drafted him in the 3rd round. He loves him. Sammy Small School wasted 3rd round pick I called him, but he wouldn't listen. Pipkins just gave up a safety. He was owned doing it too. Thank the goalie.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 23, 2021 6:45:49 GMT -7
Is it possible that this staff will keep pikins around? I hate the idea of wishing someone losses their job but in this case I don’t give a crap because I want herbert healthy and playing. Pipkins is a liability, he’s just not strong enough to play in the NFL. It’s time to cut the umbelical… As I mentioned in earlier posts, the starting OL looks pretty good, but the depth is less than. Clearly ROT is still a concern, but they are a much improved starting 5. That said, it will be interesting to see just who the Chargers decide is their best option for reserve OT. Pipkins was a gamble on raw talent when he was drafted, and the ability of the club to develop that talent.
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