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Post by frozendisc on Aug 28, 2021 20:09:16 GMT -7
It will be nuts if TT cannot find better talent from the OL cuts from other clubs, eh?
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 28, 2021 20:47:30 GMT -7
It will be nuts if TT cannot find better talent from the OL cuts from other clubs, eh? Are you finally on the cut Pipkins train?
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 28, 2021 20:51:01 GMT -7
It will be nuts if TT cannot find better talent from the OL cuts from other clubs, eh? Absolutely. On the CBS LA telecast, Telesco said (unsurprisingly) that they will be watching the waiver wire closely on Tuesday / Wednesday, and that has to particularly apply to the oline.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 29, 2021 4:25:34 GMT -7
It will be nuts if TT cannot find better talent from the OL cuts from other clubs, eh? Are you finally on the cut Pipkins train? He will never admit he was wrong
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 29, 2021 7:54:40 GMT -7
It will be nuts if TT cannot find better talent from the OL cuts from other clubs, eh? Are you finally on the cut Pipkins train? Nope......I am on the 'find better talent' train. If that means Slater becomes a reserve OT, I am good with that. In other words, it isn't about the player leaving, rather about the player joining.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 29, 2021 8:02:10 GMT -7
Are you finally on the cut Pipkins train? He will never admit he was wrong It is not about being right or wrong...... I understand the pick, as well as the dynamics that were involved. You simply do not agree with the pick, any aspect of it. Hind sight is usually 20/20.....
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 29, 2021 8:19:46 GMT -7
Are you finally on the cut Pipkins train? Nope......I am on the 'find better talent' train. If that means Slater becomes a reserve OT, I am good with that. In other words, it isn't about the player leaving, rather about the player joining. I understand the point you’re making, but ‘replace with better’ is, at least to me, implicit in the ‘cut’. And given how bad Pipkins is, it’s not terribly difficult to imagine replacing him with better. I think there are a lot of egos and sunk-cost fallacy in football decisionmaking. We saw that with Lynn and his staff, we may be seeing that with Staley and Lombardi, and we have seen that with TT/John Spanos in the roster build. Great leaders find a way past those.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 29, 2021 9:11:13 GMT -7
Nope......I am on the 'find better talent' train. If that means Slater becomes a reserve OT, I am good with that. In other words, it isn't about the player leaving, rather about the player joining. I understand the point you’re making, but ‘replace with better’ is, at least to me, implicit in the ‘cut’. And given how bad Pipkins is, it’s not terribly difficult to imagine replacing him with better. I think there are a lot of egos and sunk-cost fallacy in football decisionmaking. We saw that with Lynn and his staff, we may be seeing that with Staley and Lombardi, and we have seen that with TT/John Spanos in the roster build. Great leaders find a way past those. The key is to identify exactly which player is 'better' and that is as subjective as it gets. One of the frustrations I have on here is the unfair treatment of the decision making at the GM level. No decision made has ever been about hoping it is a 'mistake'.....rather it is believed the decision was correct.
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Post by lightsout42 on Aug 29, 2021 9:27:31 GMT -7
Very few people affirmatively seek to do a bad job or fail. Very few people are consistently excellent in decisionmaking.
I don’t mean to accuse TT/JS of not making decisions they think are the best. I do mean to accuse them of consistently making decisions that are not good. The depth of the team shows years of bad decisions. They spent a lot of money and effort this past offseason to bring in FAs to offset prior bad decisions. This draft class looks good but we shall see if they ultimately turn into value. I have concerns about the starting OL and big concerns about OL depth. Same with DL and safety. And I sure hope Staley’s choice of Lombardi is a good one and not a decision based on his relationship and what he feels he owes him.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 29, 2021 10:25:51 GMT -7
He will never admit he was wrong It is not about being right or wrong...... I understand the pick, as well as the dynamics that were involved. You simply do not agree with the pick, any aspect of it. Hind sight is usually 20/20..... I hated it from day one. How is that hindsight ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 29, 2021 10:29:31 GMT -7
I understand the point you’re making, but ‘replace with better’ is, at least to me, implicit in the ‘cut’. And given how bad Pipkins is, it’s not terribly difficult to imagine replacing him with better. I think there are a lot of egos and sunk-cost fallacy in football decisionmaking. We saw that with Lynn and his staff, we may be seeing that with Staley and Lombardi, and we have seen that with TT/John Spanos in the roster build. Great leaders find a way past those. The key is to identify exactly which player is 'better' and that is as subjective as it gets. One of the frustrations I have on here is the unfair treatment of the decision making at the GM level. No decision made has ever been about hoping it is a 'mistake'.....rather it is believed the decision was correct. GM picked him and it was a mistake. You love him and Pipkins is a mistake. There’s lot of misses in the NFL. It’s no big deal. But now we must cut and move on. Hanging on is a bigger error.
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Post by jwr10x on Aug 29, 2021 10:45:31 GMT -7
The key is to identify exactly which player is 'better' and that is as subjective as it gets. One of the frustrations I have on here is the unfair treatment of the decision making at the GM level. No decision made has ever been about hoping it is a 'mistake'.....rather it is believed the decision was correct. GM picked him and it was a mistake. You love him and Pipkins is a mistake. There’s lot of misses in the NFL. It’s no big deal. But now we must cut and move on. Hanging on is a bigger error. The bigger fact is that even after 2 full years of being "coached up" on the pro level he is still looking like an undrafted free agent brought in as camp fodder. 2 consecutive games I saw the pass rusher put their hands on him , bowl him over like he weighed 150 lbs then leveled the QB. Time to move on.
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Post by sonorajim on Aug 29, 2021 11:04:13 GMT -7
Very few people affirmatively seek to do a bad job or fail. Very few people are consistently excellent in decisionmaking. I don’t mean to accuse TT/JS of not making decisions they think are the best. I do mean to accuse them of consistently making decisions that are not good. The depth of the team shows years of bad decisions. They spent a lot of money and effort this past offseason to bring in FAs to offset prior bad decisions. This draft class looks good but we shall see if they ultimately turn into value. I have concerns about the starting OL and big concerns about OL depth. Same with DL and safety. And I sure hope Staley’s choice of Lombardi is a good one and not a decision based on his relationship and what he feels he owes him. We haven't seen the starting OL play as a unit, nor the starting O as a unit. That clearly leaves room for uncertainty. Re OL depth, S & DL depth, they will not be the bottom of 90 playing together. We have 5 OL starters, Quis, Jaimes, probably Norton and 1 other on the 53. Bringing one or two OL depth into a game won't be as dramatically bad as 5 with backup skill players.
I have a higher opinion of the DL and S than yourself, but that's proof of nothing. Let's play some real football, then revisit this topic.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 29, 2021 11:42:22 GMT -7
Very few people affirmatively seek to do a bad job or fail. Very few people are consistently excellent in decisionmaking. I don’t mean to accuse TT/JS of not making decisions they think are the best. I do mean to accuse them of consistently making decisions that are not good. The depth of the team shows years of bad decisions. They spent a lot of money and effort this past offseason to bring in FAs to offset prior bad decisions. This draft class looks good but we shall see if they ultimately turn into value. I have concerns about the starting OL and big concerns about OL depth. Same with DL and safety. And I sure hope Staley’s choice of Lombardi is a good one and not a decision based on his relationship and what he feels he owes him. These decisions, especially the draft picks, are just a huge collection of information. There were/are plenty of people imputing information that pushes a decision in a direction. Of course you know this, as it is no huge revelation. I wondered many times about the poor OL picks, and was it J Spanos, or TT, getting cute and ignoring the information. Thinking they know best.....or was it just poor evaluations from the start. An old accounting term comes to mind, 'bad numbers in guarantee bad numbers out'.... Lombardi might have got the job because of connections, past relationships.....but he has the coaching chops to get the job on his own, so I have no concerns about the 'how' with that hire.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 29, 2021 11:43:34 GMT -7
It is not about being right or wrong...... I understand the pick, as well as the dynamics that were involved. You simply do not agree with the pick, any aspect of it. Hind sight is usually 20/20..... I hated it from day one. How is that hindsight ? Pretty certain you did, but your hate was based off of his school, not an evaluation of his skills/talent.
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