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Post by joemcrugby on Sept 27, 2021 9:53:56 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 10:14:59 GMT -7
and yet he decided to kick after that touchdown instead of going for 2.............................................. You can fool all of the village all of the time. But you ain't getting past my brain. No way. No how. Put your thinking caps on with me or I'll put them on for you. A question Popper would never dream of asking. My subscription is coming out soon. I don't know if Popper asked the question or not - he included Staley's response from the presser in his column - but the extra point wasn't an all or nothing proposition like the field goal would have been. The Chefs being forced to score a TD with 32 seconds left & no timeouts on a day where they failed to have a single play of 30+ yards (largely due to the wind) was the backbreaker. Did it make us Charger fans nervous? Hell, yes it did due to our misery-inducing history, but it was nowhere near the risk that the Niners faced with Aaron Rodgers only needing a figgie to win with a similar amount of time left under ideal weather conditions. You can just tell me it was a genius insightful question. As far as Aaron Rodgers goes, you might as well ask to stab yourself with 32 seconds left. .......But you KNOW he is throwing to Adams all day there. And you can't stop him ? When you KNOW Joe, you even mention HC Shanahan to commentators and they just instantly get all creamy. Genius mind, master game scheme, blah blah blooey face. What has he done ?? Are you seeing it, cuz I'm not seeing it ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 10:34:50 GMT -7
I never want to hear the words “illegal shift”again.
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Post by afboltfan on Sept 27, 2021 10:35:22 GMT -7
Bosa impressed the hell outta me yesterday... He is beasting it up.
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Post by sonorajim on Sept 27, 2021 10:44:18 GMT -7
Someone will have to explain to me why when the Chargers had the ball at the 3 with 30+ seconds left after the MW catch they didn’t take a knee, make KC use their last timeout, take another knee, take their own timeout with 3 seconds left and kick a fg? Does Staley have so little confidence in the kicker? More confidence in Herbert and the offense, yes. 10 is a special player, Vizcano is not. There was 20mph wind on the field, Viz had missed earlier. You describe a normal, practical plan in a generic situation. This wasn't that.
The LAC FG unit was struggling to be avg. The O was hot. That was 1 situation and in retrospect, Staley got it right. Moving forward ? Make that call in a dome and Viz sucks.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 27, 2021 12:38:54 GMT -7
I never want to hear the words “illegal shift”again. I think some of these calls might be on herbert, we forget at times how inexperienced he still is. The one that happened when the nabers touchdown got called back? I’m not sure what happened on that one. I just saw cook go in motion so someone else must’ve shifted but I didn’t see it and the ball was snapped before cook came to a set position. He wasn’t even part of the play!
as for the one that happened before the first half ended, I wrote this on a different thread after watching the game for a second time, this is what I think happened and what I think should’ve happened:Both allen and guyton were moving at the same time with the play clock ticking down, I thought either coach or herbert should’ve called a time out because the play clock was running out.
Then Guyton was about to get set right before the ball was snapped. I think allen was pissed because he had to tell guyton what to do during the pre snap sequence. It looked to me like it was guyton’s fault because either he didn’t understand what play was called or he didn’t show enough urgency to get set before the play clock hit 1 second. So he either didn’t know the play or didn’t know the clock was running out and both of those things are bad.
So basically guyton wasn’t ready after running back to the huddle all the way from the endzone (after he dropped the touchdown pass). While it was probably guyton’s fault for being unprepared to run the next play, I blame coach and herbert for not burning a TO, what the hell were they saving them for anyways? They had all three going into the half! As the QB and the coach you need to understand the significance of that situation and call time out.
What’s more important, to rush the play with an inexperienced player like guyton and risk a penalty because you like the defensive matchup OR to take the time out make sure everyone is on the same page and get the play right regardless of the look the defense gives you? IMHO, I think you call a TO there.
Herbert was right there! He saw allen redirecting guyton to the other side of the formation with like 5-6 seconds on the play clock, CALL A TIME OUT! They had all three of them. I just don’t understand why they didn’t call a time out.
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 12:40:49 GMT -7
I never want to hear the words “illegal shift”again. I think some of these calls might be on herbert, we forget at times how inexperienced he still is. The one that happened when the nabers touchdown got called back? I’m not sure what happened on that one. I just saw cook go in motion so someone else must’ve shifted but I didn’t see it and the ball was snapped before cook came to a set position. He wasn’t even part of the play!
as for the one that happened before the first half ended, I wrote this on a different thread after watching the game for a second time, this is what I think happened and what I think should’ve happened:Both allen and guyton were moving at the same time with the play clock ticking down, I thought either coach or herbert should’ve called a time out because the play clock was running out.
Then Guyton was about to get set right before the ball was snapped. I think allen was pissed because he had to tell guyton what to do during the pre snap sequence. It looked to me like it was guyton’s fault because either he didn’t understand what play was called or he didn’t show enough urgency to get set before the play clock hit 1 second. So he either didn’t know the play or didn’t know the clock was running out and both of those things are bad.
So basically guyton wasn’t ready after running back to the huddle all the way from the endzone (after he dropped the touchdown pass). While it was probably guyton’s fault for being unprepared to run the next play, I blame coach and herbert for not burning a TO, what the hell were they saving them for anyways? They had all three going into the half! As the QB and the coach you need to understand the significance of that situation and call time out.
What’s more important, to rush the play with an inexperienced player like guyton and risk a penalty because you like the defensive matchup OR to take the time out make sure everyone is on the same page and get the play right regardless of the look the defense gives you? IMHO, I think you call a TO there.
Herbert was right there! He saw allen redirecting guyton to the other side of the formation with like 5-6 seconds on the play clock, CALL A TIME OUT! They had all three of them. I just don’t understand why they didn’t call a time out. Rookie QB might be the answer.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 27, 2021 12:50:23 GMT -7
I think some of these calls might be on herbert, we forget at times how inexperienced he still is. The one that happened when the nabers touchdown got called back? I’m not sure what happened on that one. I just saw cook go in motion so someone else must’ve shifted but I didn’t see it and the ball was snapped before cook came to a set position. He wasn’t even part of the play!
as for the one that happened before the first half ended, I wrote this on a different thread after watching the game for a second time, this is what I think happened and what I think should’ve happened:Both allen and guyton were moving at the same time with the play clock ticking down, I thought either coach or herbert should’ve called a time out because the play clock was running out.
Then Guyton was about to get set right before the ball was snapped. I think allen was pissed because he had to tell guyton what to do during the pre snap sequence. It looked to me like it was guyton’s fault because either he didn’t understand what play was called or he didn’t show enough urgency to get set before the play clock hit 1 second. So he either didn’t know the play or didn’t know the clock was running out and both of those things are bad.
So basically guyton wasn’t ready after running back to the huddle all the way from the endzone (after he dropped the touchdown pass). While it was probably guyton’s fault for being unprepared to run the next play, I blame coach and herbert for not burning a TO, what the hell were they saving them for anyways? They had all three going into the half! As the QB and the coach you need to understand the significance of that situation and call time out.
What’s more important, to rush the play with an inexperienced player like guyton and risk a penalty because you like the defensive matchup OR to take the time out make sure everyone is on the same page and get the play right regardless of the look the defense gives you? IMHO, I think you call a TO there.
Herbert was right there! He saw allen redirecting guyton to the other side of the formation with like 5-6 seconds on the play clock, CALL A TIME OUT! They had all three of them. I just don’t understand why they didn’t call a time out. Rookie QB might be the answer. I’ve heard in the past that coaches ban players from calling timeouts, it’s possible that staley has told the team that, IDK. But if I’m justin in that situation I’m thinking screw what the coach said, I know that I don’t have time to get the play off correctly so I use a TO. He’s the one on the field seeing in real time what is happening out there. Something tells me staley has not prohibited his star QB from anything like calling time outs, especially since we’ve learned that he’s allowed herbert to check out of run plays into pass plays since week one in the season.
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 12:53:39 GMT -7
This is an example of why I love Staley and Our Chargers:
Derwin James: "We are trying to get Herbert the ball back as much as we can."
Herbert: "We do not win this game today without our defense."
THAT is team building in action baby. Bolt Up !
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 27, 2021 13:01:03 GMT -7
This is an example of why I love Staley and Our Chargers: Derwin James: "We are trying to get Herbert the ball back as much as we can." Herbert: "We do not win this game today without our defense." THAT is team building in action baby. Bolt Up ! I wasn’t a fan of coach lynn’s decisions on Sundays but I loved the culture he built at the chargers. That was my biggest worry when he got fired, would that camaraderie change? What would the new guy do? We’ve seen what people like matt patricia can do to the culture of a club and I was worried when they hired this kid staley. But I’m not worried anymore, I don’t see squabbling or finger pointing and the emotions in that locker seem genuine and real, those guys love staley and he treats them with respect. It’s a fantastic culture when you see the owners and the GM go down into the locker room to share the moment with the coach and his players
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 13:23:47 GMT -7
I'm just glad we took our bad red zone stats and shoved them down KC's throat.
As I said, this would be a hell of a week to fix it. It was.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 27, 2021 13:36:25 GMT -7
I'm just glad we took our bad red zone stats and shoved them down KC's throat. As I said, this would be a hell of a week to fix it. It was. I don’t want to deflate your morale but the chiefs defense had allowed 9 TDs in 9 redzone visits by opposing teams BEFORE they played the chargers, the chargers went 4/5 against them becoming the first team NOT to score a TD on them down there on the year. Translation, chargers worse redzone team in the NFL going into arrowhead played against the NFLs worse redzone defense. So the real test is still out there, redzone efficiency is still going to be a concern heading into next week but hopefully KC was a sign that things are improving.
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 27, 2021 13:38:47 GMT -7
I'm just glad we took our bad red zone stats and shoved them down KC's throat. As I said, this would be a hell of a week to fix it. It was. I don’t want to deflate your morale but the chiefs defense had allowed 9 TDs in 9 redzone visits by opposing teams BEFORE they played the chargers, the chargers went 4/5 against them becoming the first team NOT to score a TD on them down there on the year. Translation, chargers worse redzone team in the NFL going into arrowhead played against the NFLs worse redzone defense. So the real test is still out there, redzone efficiency is still going to be a concern heading into next week but hopefully KC was a sign that things are improving. I don't care if they allowed 51 for 51. I DO care that we went 4/5 on their red jerseyed asses.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 27, 2021 13:45:13 GMT -7
Red jerseyed asses, I’m have to remember that one
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Post by afboltfan on Sept 27, 2021 13:57:32 GMT -7
Totally different subject... I still don't see how they got to keep their name and tomahawk chop thing... Cleveland Indians got so screwed, but I digress...
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