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Post by frozendisc on Oct 25, 2021 8:03:08 GMT -7
I guess we do not view the current roster in the same fashion. I simply do not view the club as being one player away, and as such, I would be unwilling to sell the future for the present. You are absolutely correct in the wondering "if it is out there".....it is, but the cost would be crazy I suspect. Conversations are always happening between GM's, so you never know until you do, eh. If we have our starters on defense in the game then yes we LIKELY ARE 1 player away IMHO, especially if that player is a quality DL or Linebacker. A fourth through seventh round pick is not selling the future for an immediate gain IMHO. That's an easy cop out reply... You never have everyone, so depth is critical, yes? How important is Slater, KA, MW....or Linsley? Bosa, DJ, Adderly.....you get the point. Now make your trade, fixing the problem position, but costing valuable futures, or current depth. Then add in an injury or two.....the roster is getting there, but it isn't quite there yet. The roster simply cannot overcome too many injuries, or key player injury. You are not getting any real help from trading late round picks, unless it is in conjunction with rostered talent such as Palmer. I am reticent to make any costly move, the roster is not ready just yet. Clearly I could be completely wrong, as I know ice hockey, not football. But roster building is similar in many ways, so I think I have a reasonable view.
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Post by moekid on Oct 25, 2021 9:15:17 GMT -7
We’ve given up 76 points in our last 2 games. 76! The defensive wunderkind is on the clock
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 25, 2021 9:18:16 GMT -7
We’ve given up 76 points in our last 2 games. 76! The defensive wunderkind is on the clock There’s only so much that can be done with the the Chargers’ level of talent and lack of depth. That said, some of the tackling issues is somewhat on coaching, as is scheme.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 25, 2021 9:18:30 GMT -7
If we have our starters on defense in the game then yes we LIKELY ARE 1 player away IMHO, especially if that player is a quality DL or Linebacker. A fourth through seventh round pick is not selling the future for an immediate gain IMHO. That's an easy cop out reply... You never have everyone, so depth is critical, yes? How important is Slater, KA, MW....or Linsley? Bosa, DJ, Adderly.....you get the point. Now make your trade, fixing the problem position, but costing valuable futures, or current depth. Then add in an injury or two.....the roster is getting there, but it isn't quite there yet. The roster simply cannot overcome too many injuries, or key player injury. You are not getting any real help from trading late round picks, unless it is in conjunction with rostered talent such as Palmer. I am reticent to make any costly move, the roster is not ready just yet. Clearly I could be completely wrong, as I know ice hockey, not football. But roster building is similar in many ways, so I think I have a reasonable view. Your view is reasonable but safe. Safe has done nothing for TT so far during his tenure as GM. Yea we won a few playoff games big deal... Palmer is likely a good player but hasn't knocked my socks off and I won't be convinced calling a 4th through 7th round pick the future over a player that can help us now. We don't play the game for the future we play it for now. We are closer than we have ever been to a complete team, however the roster will NEVER be perfect, our depth is very suspect. BUT we have to fill the holes that will help us now... There are lots of examples of success like the Bucs and examples of failure like the WFT. Like you said, it is a gamble... But I think TT should roll the dice if a player is out there. Otherwise we can hope for the future and just keep talking about it...
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 25, 2021 10:26:11 GMT -7
You never have everyone, so depth is critical, yes? How important is Slater, KA, MW....or Linsley? Bosa, DJ, Adderly.....you get the point. Now make your trade, fixing the problem position, but costing valuable futures, or current depth. Then add in an injury or two.....the roster is getting there, but it isn't quite there yet. The roster simply cannot overcome too many injuries, or key player injury. You are not getting any real help from trading late round picks, unless it is in conjunction with rostered talent such as Palmer. I am reticent to make any costly move, the roster is not ready just yet. Clearly I could be completely wrong, as I know ice hockey, not football. But roster building is similar in many ways, so I think I have a reasonable view. Your view is reasonable but safe. Safe has done nothing for TT so far during his tenure as GM. Yea we won a few playoff games big deal... Palmer is likely a good player but hasn't knocked my socks off and I won't be convinced calling a 4th through 7th round pick the future over a player that can help us now. We don't play the game for the future we play it for now. We are closer than we have ever been to a complete team, however the roster will NEVER be perfect, our depth is very suspect. BUT we have to fill the holes that will help us now... There are lots of examples of success like the Bucs and examples of failure like the WFT. Like you said, it is a gamble... But I think TT should roll the dice if a player is out there. Otherwise we can hope for the future and just keep talking about it... We obviously view where the roster is, talent wise, quite differently. Nice to express differing views without the discussion becoming contentious. Let me ask you this......regardless of the cost and saying the cost is not a current starter off the Charger's roster, what one player off of any team moves the Chargers into a top three odds position to win the Super Bowl? You can add any player, but only one.....which one completes this roster to the point the Las Vegas odds makers believe?
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 25, 2021 10:40:04 GMT -7
Your view is reasonable but safe. Safe has done nothing for TT so far during his tenure as GM. Yea we won a few playoff games big deal... Palmer is likely a good player but hasn't knocked my socks off and I won't be convinced calling a 4th through 7th round pick the future over a player that can help us now. We don't play the game for the future we play it for now. We are closer than we have ever been to a complete team, however the roster will NEVER be perfect, our depth is very suspect. BUT we have to fill the holes that will help us now... There are lots of examples of success like the Bucs and examples of failure like the WFT. Like you said, it is a gamble... But I think TT should roll the dice if a player is out there. Otherwise we can hope for the future and just keep talking about it... We obviously view where the roster is, talent wise, quite differently. Nice to express differing views without the discussion becoming contentious. Let me ask you this......regardless of the cost and saying the cost is not a current starter off the Charger's roster, what one player off of any team moves the Chargers into a top three odds position to win the Super Bowl? You can add any player, but only one.....which one completes this roster to the point the Las Vegas odds makers believe? Myles Jack, Michael Brockers, or Trey Flowers come to mind.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 25, 2021 10:41:46 GMT -7
You never have everyone, so depth is critical, yes? How important is Slater, KA, MW....or Linsley? Bosa, DJ, Adderly.....you get the point. Now make your trade, fixing the problem position, but costing valuable futures, or current depth. Then add in an injury or two.....the roster is getting there, but it isn't quite there yet. The roster simply cannot overcome too many injuries, or key player injury. You are not getting any real help from trading late round picks, unless it is in conjunction with rostered talent such as Palmer. I am reticent to make any costly move, the roster is not ready just yet. Clearly I could be completely wrong, as I know ice hockey, not football. But roster building is similar in many ways, so I think I have a reasonable view. Your view is reasonable but safe. Safe has done nothing for TT so far during his tenure as GM. Yea we won a few playoff games big deal... Palmer is likely a good player but hasn't knocked my socks off and I won't be convinced calling a 4th through 7th round pick the future over a player that can help us now. We don't play the game for the future we play it for now. We are closer than we have ever been to a complete team, however the roster will NEVER be perfect, our depth is very suspect. BUT we have to fill the holes that will help us now... There are lots of examples of success like the Bucs and examples of failure like the WFT. Like you said, it is a gamble... But I think TT should roll the dice if a player is out there. Otherwise we can hope for the future and just keep talking about it... There is just so much in this post I agree with. Not that it matters. The TT org. will not budge much in the ways. Convinced Joshua Kelley's in the 4th round will save us. Free agents need not apply. Trade up for Murray, so proven vets will not be signed. I can go on. I say play for now and forget about the check we'll get hell to pay !!!!!
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 25, 2021 12:27:28 GMT -7
We obviously view where the roster is, talent wise, quite differently. Nice to express differing views without the discussion becoming contentious. Let me ask you this......regardless of the cost and saying the cost is not a current starter off the Charger's roster, what one player off of any team moves the Chargers into a top three odds position to win the Super Bowl? You can add any player, but only one.....which one completes this roster to the point the Las Vegas odds makers believe? Myles Jack, Michael Brockers, or Trey Flowers come to mind. We differ again, as I do not see adding any one of those players putting the Chargers in a significantly better position. They help, but clearly the Chargers would need more....
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 25, 2021 12:34:26 GMT -7
Your view is reasonable but safe. Safe has done nothing for TT so far during his tenure as GM. Yea we won a few playoff games big deal... Palmer is likely a good player but hasn't knocked my socks off and I won't be convinced calling a 4th through 7th round pick the future over a player that can help us now. We don't play the game for the future we play it for now. We are closer than we have ever been to a complete team, however the roster will NEVER be perfect, our depth is very suspect. BUT we have to fill the holes that will help us now... There are lots of examples of success like the Bucs and examples of failure like the WFT. Like you said, it is a gamble... But I think TT should roll the dice if a player is out there. Otherwise we can hope for the future and just keep talking about it... There is just so much in this post I agree with. Not that it matters. The TT org. will not budge much in the ways. Convinced Joshua Kelley's in the 4th round will save us. Free agents need not apply. Trade up for Murray, so proven vets will not be signed. I can go on. I say play for now and forget about the check we'll get hell to pay !!!!! That approach has certainly worked, but not one I would ever endorse.
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Post by joemcrugby on Oct 25, 2021 13:44:36 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 25, 2021 13:50:23 GMT -7
There is just so much in this post I agree with. Not that it matters. The TT org. will not budge much in the ways. Convinced Joshua Kelley's in the 4th round will save us. Free agents need not apply. Trade up for Murray, so proven vets will not be signed. I can go on. I say play for now and forget about the check we'll get hell to pay !!!!! That approach has certainly worked, but not one I would ever endorse. It certainly worked in Baltimore ? Huh, I must have been watching something else.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 25, 2021 13:57:38 GMT -7
That approach has certainly worked, but not one I would ever endorse. It certainly worked in Baltimore ? Huh, I must have been watching something else. Ravens are pretenders......they will not win the Super Bowl this season. I know, you are saving this for later use.....just be certain to bring it back when they get eliminated.
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Post by joemcrugby on Oct 25, 2021 16:53:29 GMT -7
Looks good for Jones (most important), Tranquil & Adderley (also important) for Sunday. They aren’t going to suit up Murray until he is 100%.
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Post by boltnut on Oct 25, 2021 17:31:38 GMT -7
The Rams just traded ILB Kenny Young to the Broncos for a 7th round pick.
Kenny Young was a FA off-season target of mine. The Rams only have $5 million cap space for next year. They will be unable to re-sign most of their FA's in the off-season for this reason. That's why they traded Young cheaply (future draft pick vs nothing).
I don't have to tell anyone how valuable a Rams defensive player would be to Staley... Also Rams FA's at the end of the year... NT Sebastian Joseph-Day (62.4 pff) and OLB Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (77.8 pff)...
Chargers FA's: Linval Joseph, Kyler Fackrell, Uchenna Nwosu, Kyzir White...
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Post by boltnut on Oct 25, 2021 17:37:08 GMT -7
Chargers have $79 million in cap space next year. Once they cut Bulaga, they will have $89.5 million in cap space...
Get an early start on FA by plucking players via trade now. They help you out this season and can be resigned for next year if they fit.
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