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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 14, 2021 8:35:24 GMT -7
In your opinion, which may or may not be others’. The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. I agree that the Chargers being perceived as a championship team is key to players willing to pay the higher taxes, etc. But they aren’t yet, so they need to finish strong and get into the dance this year.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 14, 2021 8:57:18 GMT -7
Los Angeles, Herbert, Derwin James, (arguably Staley)... We have reasons to come, TT just has to spend the $$$. Now I think some of you are just being contrarian... Do we just sit on that 75 million and keep collecting? Its not a piggy bank for Spanos. Check this out... Joey Bosa is tied for 2nd as the highest defensive player in the league, and we STILL are going to have the most cap space? How is that even possible? Take advantage of Herbert's rookie contract and spend money, that's all I'm saying... TT has spent money every off season, with Lindsey being the most recent expensive addition. TT will continue to look at FA's that would improve the roster, but you know this already, just like you know there are a myriad of possible reasons that any FA approached might choose a different club. Yes, there is an advantage to having both Herbert and Slater on rookie contracts, but spending recklessly will lead to painful decisions in the near future. Signing any FA to a 4-6 year term will impact money available when resigning Herbert and Slater, so another aspect to be considered when spending all that money you see being poorly allocated. It is a fine line, with so many things needing to fit perfectly for the club, before signing any FA. And of course the flip side is there as well, with a ton of considerations for the FA from his perspective....... What happened to this sense of urgency with PR? Is it because TT has been here since 2013 with nothing to show for it but the wasted talent of a future HoF QB?
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 14, 2021 9:01:58 GMT -7
In your opinion, which may or may not be others’. The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. I think the Herbert /Staley combo has that draw. Get into the postseason.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 14, 2021 9:11:33 GMT -7
In your opinion, which may or may not be others’. The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. I would disagree that there is a singular aspect that attracts, or detracts for that matter, FA's......the reasons simply are endless. I do agree the opportunity to win a SB is quite influencing......and definitely a selling point for that GM.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 14, 2021 9:14:53 GMT -7
TT has spent money every off season, with Lindsey being the most recent expensive addition. TT will continue to look at FA's that would improve the roster, but you know this already, just like you know there are a myriad of possible reasons that any FA approached might choose a different club. Yes, there is an advantage to having both Herbert and Slater on rookie contracts, but spending recklessly will lead to painful decisions in the near future. Signing any FA to a 4-6 year term will impact money available when resigning Herbert and Slater, so another aspect to be considered when spending all that money you see being poorly allocated. It is a fine line, with so many things needing to fit perfectly for the club, before signing any FA. And of course the flip side is there as well, with a ton of considerations for the FA from his perspective....... What happened to this sense of urgency with PR? Is it because TT has been here since 2013 with nothing to show for it but the wasted talent of a future HoF QB? The unsaid implication in your post is that the GM intentionally wasted Rivers' career, which clearly is not the case. Decisions are made constantly, with the best of intentions......
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 14, 2021 9:16:49 GMT -7
The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. I think the Herbert /Staley combo has that draw. Get into the postseason. Herbert.......definitely. Staley is still a judgement to be seen, in my opinion.
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Post by moekid on Dec 14, 2021 9:46:18 GMT -7
Not trying to be contrarian; I was pointing out some very real reasons FAs may want to live in a better/different/not crazy state and save $M in state taxes. I think the Chargers are already committed to spending that money, and so I’m not thinking about that angle at all. And I agree that this next off season is *the* time to put it together for a run early in Herbert’s contract. The Rams certainly don’t have an issue with the tax $$$ when it comes to free agents & big trades. 🤷♂️ The positives in playing in the the second largest media market & entertainment capitol of the world located in a Mediterranean climate largely outweigh the negatives with the tax issue being the biggest negative. The tax issue isn’t as big as you might think as half the chargers games are out of state (unless they have the rams or 49ers on the schedule)
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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 14, 2021 10:51:01 GMT -7
In your opinion, which may or may not be others’. The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. It’s not climate versus tax. It’s #2 media market in the country (endorsements, marketing deals, etc.), entertainment capital of the world which is on top of media market size, and climate vs. taxes. The opportunity for a star player to earn a lot more money in the huge market at worst equalizes the tax hit without even taking climate into consideration. And as Moe noted, only half the games are taxed by California.
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Post by moekid on Dec 14, 2021 11:50:22 GMT -7
The biggest draw is a chance at winning a championship. Start building a contender and the climate vs tax consideration will take a back seat. It’s not climate versus tax. It’s #2 media market in the country (endorsements, marketing deals, etc.), entertainment capital of the world which is on top of media market size, and climate vs. taxes. The opportunity for a star player to earn a lot more money in the huge market at worst equalizes the tax hit without even taking climate into consideration. And as Moe noted, only half the games are taxed by California. I don’t know if LA is such a draw for endorsements. The NFL is such a national game and Baker Mayfield has the most visible endorsement I’ve seen and he’s in Cleveland
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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 14, 2021 12:13:06 GMT -7
It’s not climate versus tax. It’s #2 media market in the country (endorsements, marketing deals, etc.), entertainment capital of the world which is on top of media market size, and climate vs. taxes. The opportunity for a star player to earn a lot more money in the huge market at worst equalizes the tax hit without even taking climate into consideration. And as Moe noted, only half the games are taxed by California. I don’t know if LA is such a draw for endorsements. The NFL is such a national game and Baker Mayfield has the most visible endorsement I’ve seen and he’s in Cleveland Not as much as other sports, but it’s a great launching pad into post-NFL career options in the huge market, whether it be media or other ventures. Even though Merriman never played a down in LA, he has a very nice and diverse business portfolio going largely due to his name recognition and with the Chargers relocating to LA.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 14, 2021 12:18:57 GMT -7
What happened to this sense of urgency with PR? Is it because TT has been here since 2013 with nothing to show for it but the wasted talent of a future HoF QB? The unsaid implication in your post is that the GM intentionally wasted Rivers' career, which clearly is not the case. Decisions are made constantly, with the best of intentions...... Believe me, I'm not saying it was intentional. It was through a flawed philosophy and incompetency.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 14, 2021 14:09:09 GMT -7
The unsaid implication in your post is that the GM intentionally wasted Rivers' career, which clearly is not the case. Decisions are made constantly, with the best of intentions...... Believe me, I'm not saying it was intentional. It was through a flawed philosophy and incompetency. When your ass is reaching into the 3rd round for Trey Freaking Pipkins from Sioux Falls College, it's WITH intention. Intention to get cute. Intention to make people think you are smarter than them. Intention to be a dumbass in the end.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 14, 2021 15:21:23 GMT -7
Tom Telesco is no Bill Polian... and I'd venture to say Polian might have won some of those Superbowls if he was more apt in the free agency aspect. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by moekid on Dec 14, 2021 18:34:27 GMT -7
Believe me, I'm not saying it was intentional. It was through a flawed philosophy and incompetency. When your ass is reaching into the 3rd round for Trey Freaking Pipkins from Sioux Falls College, it's WITH intention. Intention to get cute. Intention to make people think you are smarter than them. Intention to be a dumbass in the end. Same thing that got Beathard
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Post by jefa on Dec 14, 2021 21:18:27 GMT -7
It’s not climate versus tax. It’s #2 media market in the country (endorsements, marketing deals, etc.), entertainment capital of the world which is on top of media market size, and climate vs. taxes. The opportunity for a star player to earn a lot more money in the huge market at worst equalizes the tax hit without even taking climate into consideration. And as Moe noted, only half the games are taxed by California. I don’t know if LA is such a draw for endorsements. The NFL is such a national game and Baker Mayfield has the most visible endorsement I’ve seen and he’s in Cleveland I'd say (guess) that Mahomes has more television advertising visibility, but Baker Mayfield is actually funny. His commercial presence is actually entertaining.
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