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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 15, 2021 22:50:06 GMT -7
Hell, the Chargers went in on free agency almost the same amount spent as the Patriots. The goalposts aren’t moving given that we are discussing “Coupon Tom” after all in that he isn’t as aggressive as the Patriots. They always spend about as much as teams like the Patriots do. So it’s not a matter of “Coupon Tom” in my opinion - it’s a matter of choosing wisely, and few teams have chosen as wisely as the Patriots do year after year. If it’s being argued that Telesco has not been very successful in free agency, then I am in full agreement. If it’s being argued that the Chargers organization is cheap and has no aggressiveness in free agency, then I do not agree. Then we are in agreement. Hence my stance that TT is an average GM that will likely never get us a Superbowl caliber team. There have been GM's less competent than TT who have lifted the Lombardi. He has learned from some of his past mistakes, and hopefully he will continue to learn from them along with his being due for free agent vets (oline in particular) to play and be healthy like his two most recent oline acquisitions Lindsey and Feiler. After all, free agent signings are usually not the biggest piece of the Super Bowl puzzle as they don't form the core.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 16, 2021 5:18:20 GMT -7
Then we are in agreement. Hence my stance that TT is an average GM that will likely never get us a Superbowl caliber team. There have been GM's less competent than TT who have lifted the Lombardi. He has learned from some of his past mistakes, and hopefully he will continue to learn from them along with his being due for free agent vets (oline in particular) to play and be healthy like his two most recent oline acquisitions Lindsey and Feiler. After all, free agent signings are usually not the biggest piece of the Super Bowl puzzle as they don't form the core. Yep and next season we'll have 75 million dollars for him to prove it.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 6:17:12 GMT -7
Its no coincidence teams aggressive in free agency typically go farther in the playoffs... The Patriots haven’t been “aggressive” in free agency. They target not the biggest names or contracts, but rather target individuals who will fit into the team structure. There have been a few exceptions, but they mostly lose more “names” than they acquire. But the reigning Super Bowl Champions Tampa Bay did. In fact, they FREAKED out in Free Agency. I don't give a crap about yesteryear's dynasty. What just happened. Copycat league.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 6:18:15 GMT -7
You people have no idea how great this post is. I absolutely should be paid to post on here. It is so good, so deep, I am hesitant to reply to any follow up questions, that really shouldn't be happening anyway. I mean, if you beg me, I will probably reply. So great, so misunderstood. Does Freak seem to think we all suffer from survivorship bias? Considering I had to look it up, yes, no, maybe.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 6:25:44 GMT -7
Here is my perspective, and I realize it is polar opposite of yours and some others on here: In the big picture, its not about the one 5th rounder that becomes a star. It's about the 31 others that did not. What crap...... James, KA, Bosa.....all stars.....all losers. Give me a group of talented unheralded players......watch us win a championship. I don't think James, KA, and Bosa are losers. Shame on you. You can't even get a group of talented unheralded players. If they are talented, they are heralded.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 6:37:06 GMT -7
Then we are in agreement. Hence my stance that TT is an average GM that will likely never get us a Superbowl caliber team. There have been GM's less competent than TT who have lifted the Lombardi. He has learned from some of his past mistakes, and hopefully he will continue to learn from them along with his being due for free agent vets (oline in particular) to play and be healthy like his two most recent oline acquisitions Lindsey and Feiler. After all, free agent signings are usually not the biggest piece of the Super Bowl puzzle as they don't form the core. Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, I am forgetting people. This is ONLY last year's signings WR Chris Godwin (franchise tag) TE Rob Gronkowski (1 year, $8M) DT Ndamukong Suh (1 year, $8M) OLB Shaquil Barrett (4 years, $68M) LB Lavonte David (2 years, $25M) K Ryan Succop (3 years, $12M) RB Leonard Fournette (1 year, $4M) All of that seems pretty darn core to me.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 16, 2021 7:20:07 GMT -7
There have been GM's less competent than TT who have lifted the Lombardi. He has learned from some of his past mistakes, and hopefully he will continue to learn from them along with his being due for free agent vets (oline in particular) to play and be healthy like his two most recent oline acquisitions Lindsey and Feiler. After all, free agent signings are usually not the biggest piece of the Super Bowl puzzle as they don't form the core.Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, I am forgetting people. This is ONLY last year's signings WR Chris Godwin (franchise tag) TE Rob Gronkowski (1 year, $8M) DT Ndamukong Suh (1 year, $8M) OLB Shaquil Barrett (4 years, $68M) LB Lavonte David (2 years, $25M) K Ryan Succop (3 years, $12M) RB Leonard Fournette (1 year, $4M) All of that seems pretty darn core to me. Me too... The bottom line for me is that this next year's cap space will be huge and determine the future of the Chargers for quite a few years. If TT screws it up well then its the same old Chargers and Herbert is likely PR 2.0
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 7:55:59 GMT -7
Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, I am forgetting people. This is ONLY last year's signings WR Chris Godwin (franchise tag) TE Rob Gronkowski (1 year, $8M) DT Ndamukong Suh (1 year, $8M) OLB Shaquil Barrett (4 years, $68M) LB Lavonte David (2 years, $25M) K Ryan Succop (3 years, $12M) RB Leonard Fournette (1 year, $4M) All of that seems pretty darn core to me. Me too... The bottom line for me is that this next year's cap space will be huge and determine the future of the Chargers for quite a few years. If TT screws it up well then its the same old Chargers and Herbert is likely PR 2.0 It's time, and I bet even TT knows its time.
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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 16, 2021 8:24:33 GMT -7
There have been GM's less competent than TT who have lifted the Lombardi. He has learned from some of his past mistakes, and hopefully he will continue to learn from them along with his being due for free agent vets (oline in particular) to play and be healthy like his two most recent oline acquisitions Lindsey and Feiler. After all, free agent signings are usually not the biggest piece of the Super Bowl puzzle as they don't form the core.Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, I am forgetting people. This is ONLY last year's signings WR Chris Godwin (franchise tag) TE Rob Gronkowski (1 year, $8M) DT Ndamukong Suh (1 year, $8M) OLB Shaquil Barrett (4 years, $68M) LB Lavonte David (2 years, $25M) K Ryan Succop (3 years, $12M) RB Leonard Fournette (1 year, $4M) All of that seems pretty darn core to me. None of those were huge dollar free agent signings with almost all being one year vet deals that were all dependent upon a great oline already in house, a lot of young defensive talent, and one of the greatest (of not the greatest) QB’s at the helm. Even then, the Bucs were hardly locks to make the playoffs at the start of December. I believe that they were on the outside looking in heading into December before the team started to gel. That’s what you do when you have a 40+ year old QB signed to win right now. The Chargers need to use their two year window this offseason and $75 million in cap space to make their push in the 2022 offseason. That’s the time to do it.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 9:35:10 GMT -7
Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, I am forgetting people. This is ONLY last year's signings WR Chris Godwin (franchise tag) TE Rob Gronkowski (1 year, $8M) DT Ndamukong Suh (1 year, $8M) OLB Shaquil Barrett (4 years, $68M) LB Lavonte David (2 years, $25M) K Ryan Succop (3 years, $12M) RB Leonard Fournette (1 year, $4M) All of that seems pretty darn core to me. None of those were huge dollar free agent signings with almost all being one year vet deals that were all dependent upon a great oline already in house, a lot of young defensive talent, and one of the greatest (of not the greatest) QB’s at the helm. Even then, the Bucs were hardly locks to make the playoffs at the start of December. I believe that they were on the outside looking in heading into December before the team started to gel. That’s what you do when you have a 40+ year old QB signed to win right now. The Chargers need to use their two year window this offseason and $75 million in cap space to make their push in the 2022 offseason. That’s the time to do it. Oh ? You mean even the old "we can't waste money----FA never works" people are suddenly on board now ?? I giggle. You can taste victory in front of you. Now you want to bite.
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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 16, 2021 9:56:02 GMT -7
None of those were huge dollar free agent signings with almost all being one year vet deals that were all dependent upon a great oline already in house, a lot of young defensive talent, and one of the greatest (of not the greatest) QB’s at the helm. Even then, the Bucs were hardly locks to make the playoffs at the start of December. I believe that they were on the outside looking in heading into December before the team started to gel. That’s what you do when you have a 40+ year old QB signed to win right now. The Chargers need to use their two year window this offseason and $75 million in cap space to make their push in the 2022 offseason. That’s the time to do it. Oh ? You mean even the old "we can't waste money----FA never works" people are suddenly on board now ?? I giggle. You can taste victory in front of you. Now you want to bite. I don’t want to see a replication of the Bucs strategy in 2022. Yes, fill a few holes with vets on short term deals, but now is the time to see if you can pull in a few long-term deals for second contracts type of free agents. In the past, they haven’t had the cap space to sign their own and go after those kind of free agents. With their LT and QB now secured on rookie deals and a huge amount of cap space, now is the time to do it - not when they didn’t have much cap space and PR at QB. There is a time for everything, and now is the time.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 10:19:34 GMT -7
Oh ? You mean even the old "we can't waste money----FA never works" people are suddenly on board now ?? I giggle. You can taste victory in front of you. Now you want to bite. I don’t want to see a replication of the Bucs strategy in 2022. Yes, fill a few holes with vets on short term deals, but now is the time to see if you can pull in a few long-term deals for second contracts type of free agents. In the past, they haven’t had the cap space to sign their own and go after those kind of free agents. With their LT and QB now secured on rookie deals and a huge amount of cap space, now is the time to do it - not when they didn’t have much cap space and PR at QB. There is a time for everything, and now is the time. Oh how the tide doth turn................................
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Post by joemcrugby on Dec 16, 2021 10:33:42 GMT -7
I don’t want to see a replication of the Bucs strategy in 2022. Yes, fill a few holes with vets on short term deals, but now is the time to see if you can pull in a few long-term deals for second contracts type of free agents. In the past, they haven’t had the cap space to sign their own and go after those kind of free agents. With their LT and QB now secured on rookie deals and a huge amount of cap space, now is the time to do it - not when they didn’t have much cap space and PR at QB. There is a time for everything, and now is the time. Oh how the tide doth turn................................ Circumstances change and dictate different strategies. The key to it is to fill most of the roster through your draft picks and supplement with free agents. If the draft picks go awry, all the free agents in the world can’t cover up the gaping holes.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 10:42:38 GMT -7
Oh how the tide doth turn................................ Circumstances change and dictate different strategies. The key to it is to fill most of the roster through your draft picks and supplement with free agents. If the draft picks go awry, all the free agents in the world can’t cover up the gaping holes. I'll pencil you in for two RB's. You have learned now. Don't fret. People are typically a year behind me.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 16, 2021 10:44:21 GMT -7
Oh how the tide doth turn................................ Circumstances change and dictate different strategies. The key to it is to fill most of the roster through your draft picks and supplement with free agents. If the draft picks go awry, all the free agents in the world can’t cover up the gaping holes. What the hell are all these gametime decisions !!!! Ekeler, James, etc etc
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