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Post by boltnut on Nov 20, 2023 8:31:50 GMT -7
LOL! He's not wrong. Coaches can't catch the ball for you. Coaches shouldn't have to remind you to not PI on 3rd and 20. Coaches can't call out the protection for you in-game. Having said that, it's time to move on. Find a HC that can get the OL to play up to its abilities. Draft secondary players until we get it right. My first 2 draft picks would be CB and OLB in 2024 draft.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 20, 2023 8:48:07 GMT -7
LOL! He's not wrong. Coaches can't catch the ball for you. Coaches shouldn't have to remind you to not PI on 3rd and 20. Coaches can't call out the protection for you in-game. Having said that, it's time to move on. Find a HC that can get the OL to play up to its abilities. Draft secondary players until we get it right. My first 2 draft picks would be CB and OLB in 2024 draft. I usually like your takes, but you seem to be off today..... Chargers offence is ranked 11.....total offence. Chargers defence is ranked 31.....total defence. So it appears the OC is doing his job, while the DC (which is actually Staley) is failing.
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Post by boltnut on Nov 20, 2023 12:00:13 GMT -7
LOL! He's not wrong. Coaches can't catch the ball for you. Coaches shouldn't have to remind you to not PI on 3rd and 20. Coaches can't call out the protection for you in-game. Having said that, it's time to move on. Find a HC that can get the OL to play up to its abilities. Draft secondary players until we get it right. My first 2 draft picks would be CB and OLB in 2024 draft. I usually like your takes, but you seem to be off today..... Chargers offence is ranked 11.....total offence. Chargers defence is ranked 31.....total defence. So it appears the OC is doing his job, while the DC (which is actually Staley) is failing. 7 drops on offense is not a coaching problem. PI on 3rd-and-20 is not a coaching problem. QJ was a talent-evaluation problem (that's on TT). The PI was a CB getting beat, then committing PI to correct his mistake. K9's lack of effort on that tackle vs the TE was... well, an effort problem. The 31st ranked defense is a reflection of missing talent in the secondary (another TT problem). If Staley told TT that he didn't need talent in the seconadry... that he could scheme his way around that... then that is a coach's problem. If Staley was the impetus behind bringing in JCJ, then that is the coach's problem. If you think I'm excusing Staley, I am not. I think he's done. His scheme (soft zones in certain situations) drives me crazy. It can't be done with this personnel.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 20, 2023 12:33:17 GMT -7
I usually like your takes, but you seem to be off today..... Chargers offence is ranked 11.....total offence. Chargers defence is ranked 31.....total defence. So it appears the OC is doing his job, while the DC (which is actually Staley) is failing. 7 drops on offense is not a coaching problem. PI on 3rd-and-20 is not a coaching problem. QJ was a talent-evaluation problem (that's on TT). The PI was a CB getting beat, then committing PI to correct his mistake. K9's lack of effort on that tackle vs the TE was... well, an effort problem. The 31st ranked defense is a reflection of missing talent in the secondary (another TT problem). If Staley told TT that he didn't need talent in the seconadry... that he could scheme his way around that... then that is a coach's problem. If Staley was the impetus behind bringing in JCJ, then that is the coach's problem. If you think I'm excusing Staley, I am not. I think he's done. His scheme (soft zones in certain situations) drives me crazy. It can't be done with this personnel. Having the 11th ranked offence is not a problem...... Having the 31st ranked defence is clearly a problem...... Assign blame as you see fit, but Staley is gone at some point, and the jury is still out on TT......as you Americans say.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 20, 2023 13:12:52 GMT -7
7 drops on offense is not a coaching problem. PI on 3rd-and-20 is not a coaching problem. QJ was a talent-evaluation problem (that's on TT). The PI was a CB getting beat, then committing PI to correct his mistake. K9's lack of effort on that tackle vs the TE was... well, an effort problem. The 31st ranked defense is a reflection of missing talent in the secondary (another TT problem). If Staley told TT that he didn't need talent in the seconadry... that he could scheme his way around that... then that is a coach's problem. If Staley was the impetus behind bringing in JCJ, then that is the coach's problem. If you think I'm excusing Staley, I am not. I think he's done. His scheme (soft zones in certain situations) drives me crazy. It can't be done with this personnel. Having the 31st ranked defence is clearly a problem...... Assign blame as you see fit, but Staley is gone at some point, and the jury is still out on TT......as you Americans say. There are three games where the Chargers O had the ball to win the game on a final drive. Each time, the opposing team overwhelmingly blitzed and the advance stalled. This is an offense problem. Defense is clearly a problem to everyone but the coach. My mind is quite clear that TT & BS leave together.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 20, 2023 13:54:06 GMT -7
Having the 11th ranked offence is not a problem......Having the 31st ranked defence is clearly a problem...... Assign blame as you see fit, but Staley is gone at some point, and the jury is still out on TT......as you Americans say. There are three games where the Chargers O had the ball to win the game on a final drive. Each time, the opposing team overwhelmingly blitzed and the advance stalled. This is an offense problem. Defense is clearly a problem to everyone but the coach. My mind is quite clear that TT & BS leave together. Lazy....you are simply better than what you posted. Anyone can cherry pick moments and point to them. Let me ask you this.....try to answer honestly. If the Chargers had the 11th ranked offence, as well as the 11th ranked defence, would they be in contention in the AFC? The offence is not the problem. They are not perfect, but imagine the Charger record if they were ranked 28th.....
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Post by boltnut on Nov 20, 2023 14:37:11 GMT -7
7 drops on offense is not a coaching problem. PI on 3rd-and-20 is not a coaching problem. QJ was a talent-evaluation problem (that's on TT). The PI was a CB getting beat, then committing PI to correct his mistake. K9's lack of effort on that tackle vs the TE was... well, an effort problem. The 31st ranked defense is a reflection of missing talent in the secondary (another TT problem). If Staley told TT that he didn't need talent in the seconadry... that he could scheme his way around that... then that is a coach's problem. If Staley was the impetus behind bringing in JCJ, then that is the coach's problem. If you think I'm excusing Staley, I am not. I think he's done. His scheme (soft zones in certain situations) drives me crazy. It can't be done with this personnel. Having the 11th ranked offence is not a problem...... Having the 31st ranked defence is clearly a problem...... Assign blame as you see fit, but Staley is gone at some point, and the jury is still out on TT......as you Americans say. Having the 11th ranked offense is a problem... if you see them as a Top-5 offense (talent-wise). Which, I do. The 31st ranked defense is an obvious problem. To fix it, determine whether it's a scheme/coaching problem... or a personnel problem. IMO, it's both on defense. Staley's rigid stance that it's a players problem (coupled with his refusal to trust his DC) is a major problem. I advocate firing Staley. On the personnel side... it's the secondary (specifically, the CB's). Vato has been up and down his whole career. ASJ is inconsistent... and only a #2 or #3 CB. Ja'Sir and Leonard are depth-only. JCJ was brought in (at a large cost) to cover up poor drafting at the position. Your #1 CB should be 1st round quality. And you should have 3 first-round to 3rd-round CB's on your roster... at all times. If they are good, you will have to plan for them leaving via free agency. So draft them nearly every year. And don't hope you find starters in the 5th or 6th round. 5th and 6th round CB's are for developing and depth. Pretend we are in a time machine and travel back to the 2022 draft. Pretend we didn't just waste cap on JCJ. What would your re-draft be? My choice would have been CB Trent McDuffie in 2022 and Joey Porter Jr. in 2023. Even Brandon Staley could have survived with a secondary with Trent McDuffie, Joey Porter Jr. and ASJ in the slot. There is a coaching problem AND a drafting philosophy problem. All-In happened and it didn't work out. Cap problems loom. Time to blow it up.
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Post by NYBOLTFAN1 on Nov 20, 2023 14:48:16 GMT -7
Is Staley fired yet? Asking for a friend…
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 20, 2023 15:08:04 GMT -7
There are three games where the Chargers O had the ball to win the game on a final drive. Each time, the opposing team overwhelmingly blitzed and the advance stalled. This is an offense problem. Defense is clearly a problem to everyone but the coach. My mind is quite clear that TT & BS leave together. Lazy....you are simply better than what you posted. Anyone can cherry pick moments and point to them. Let me ask you this.....try to answer honestly. If the Chargers had the 11th ranked offence, as well as the 11th ranked defence, would they be in contention in the AFC? The offence is not the problem. They are not perfect, but imagine the Charger record if they were ranked 28th..... I think you and I are more in agreement than not. The big exception is: I think the TT era has run its course and you keep defending what a good job TT has done.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 20, 2023 15:09:45 GMT -7
Having the 11th ranked offence is not a problem...... Having the 31st ranked defence is clearly a problem...... Assign blame as you see fit, but Staley is gone at some point, and the jury is still out on TT......as you Americans say. Having the 11th ranked offense is a problem... if you see them as a Top-5 offense (talent-wise). Which, I do. The 31st ranked defense is an obvious problem. To fix it, determine whether it's a scheme/coaching problem... or a personnel problem. IMO, it's both on defense. Staley's rigid stance that it's a players problem (coupled with his refusal to trust his DC) is a major problem. I advocate firing Staley. On the personnel side... it's the secondary (specifically, the CB's). Vato has been up and down his whole career. ASJ is inconsistent... and only a #2 or #3 CB. Ja'Sir and Leonard are depth-only. JCJ was brought in (at a large cost) to cover up poor drafting at the position. Your #1 CB should be 1st round quality. And you should have 3 first-round to 3rd-round CB's on your roster... at all times. If they are good, you will have to plan for them leaving via free agency. So draft them nearly every year. And don't hope you find starters in the 5th or 6th round. 5th and 6th round CB's are for developing and depth. Pretend we are in a time machine and travel back to the 2022 draft. Pretend we didn't just waste cap on JCJ. What would your re-draft be? My choice would have been CB Trent McDuffie in 2022 and Joey Porter Jr. in 2023. Even Brandon Staley could have survived with a secondary with Trent McDuffie, Joey Porter Jr. and ASJ in the slot.
There is a coaching problem AND a drafting philosophy problem. All-In happened and it didn't work out. Cap problems loom. Time to blow it up. The highlighted is well said and I agree.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 20, 2023 15:17:43 GMT -7
Lazy....you are simply better than what you posted. Anyone can cherry pick moments and point to them. Let me ask you this.....try to answer honestly. If the Chargers had the 11th ranked offence, as well as the 11th ranked defence, would they be in contention in the AFC? The offence is not the problem. They are not perfect, but imagine the Charger record if they were ranked 28th..... I think you and I are more in agreement than not. The big exception is: I think the TT era has run its course and you keep defending what a good job TT has done. You said it, we are in agreement more often than not. Staley era is done.....3 years of poor defence is enough. Unfortunately, I think TT shoulders the blame for allowing the Staley approach to last three seasons, so he is likely out the door as well. The problem with either move is the replacement.....HC's seem far easier to find then GM's, but one cannot be afraid to make the decision. Fire them both, make solid hires......
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