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Post by moekid on Dec 20, 2023 12:14:08 GMT -7
There are also reports that the Raiders have a contract ready to sign for Harbaugh and that Tom Brady (UM alum) and his agent Don Yee are involved. He would be a fool to pick the Raiders over the Chargers. I also hear a lot about Gruden returning to the Raiders. We’d be fools to let that happen. Mark Davis will spend |
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 20, 2023 14:23:06 GMT -7
I don't think meddling is the problem. I seriously doubt that they previously had jumped on team personal decisions.
The Spanos problem has always been one of front office choices and external to the cap spending.
"Tom, get the best coach for the job under 5 mill a year" or having a set budget for the coaching and front office staff.
"in order for us to improve out profit margins we need to keep the coaching staff total labor costs below (some number)" And then incentivize meeting that budget for Billy Mac.
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times. GM's do not pick HC's. Its the owner, No?
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 20, 2023 14:33:57 GMT -7
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times. GM's do not pick HC's. Its the owner, No? Before any frozenconspiracy people try their shenanigans, let me answer as to help you. The general manager is normally the person who hires and fires the coaching staff, including the head coach. The general manager will in many cases have oversight of the entire football department, typically reporting to the team president/CEO and/or owner.
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Post by sdc on Dec 20, 2023 14:43:48 GMT -7
I think that is more media than fact. I don't think you spend a quarter of a billion dollars in players salaries a year then try to save a few bucks on a head coach. I do believe that the front office thought that they were closer than they really were. Staley's hiring was widely applauded and many thought we had found the defensive Sean McVay. Sean Payton was not available at that point and if I recall all the other serious candidates were coordinators as well. From what I have read, the Spanos family is widely respected amongst the other owners. I think it's philosophy and culture that are the barriers and not the checkbook. The media needs clicks and the cheap Spanos family seems to get them that. Just like the inaccurate "Coupon Tom" nonsense. The irony is that by over spending on guys like JC Jackson, Telesco was shown the door. That and not picking the right HC multiple times. GM's do not pick HC's. Its the owner, No? I think it varies from team to team. IIRC, McCoy and Telesco were hired close to the same time. That would indicate that Tom wasn’t instrumental to that hiring. Then Lynn came along. Then Staley. My understanding was that Telesco was involved but not the final decision maker. Hell, go back to the AJ and Marty feud. It was Dean that fired Marty. It appears that the org chart for the Chargers has the GM and the HC reporting directly to the president of football operations. I don’t know if that helps or hinders the GM/HC dynamic. And if the two don’t see eye to eye, who resolves it. Seems t like it’s a Spanos. That might be a big part of the problem. Compare that to the Niners. It’s seems like Lynch has a vision and hired Shanahan to execute that vision with no light between them. They draft to fit the system. The have traded away talent (Buckner) and traded for talent (Mcaffery).
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Post by sonorajim on Dec 20, 2023 15:43:04 GMT -7
Give two men the same title, get the same results? Hardly.
It's different in every situation.
The wealthy kid from Pt Loma has done very well. Money, education, athleticism gave him a shot and he's made the most of his oppertunity.
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Post by amped on Dec 21, 2023 7:42:31 GMT -7
Yesterday on the way home from work Daniel Jeremiah come on the Doug Gottleib show. and he kinda push back on the narrative that the Spanos family doesn't spend on the front office.
The Chargers are actually 7th in front office spending. I am going to choose to stop repeating the Spanos are cheap idea. Staley was supposed to be the defensive McVay. The chargers were not the only team gunning for him. We and they got scammed.
I really hope and think Harbaugh could happen. He is the coach that we need and he may be available. I think the Spanos crew realizes they might get in a bidding war for him and are willing to match a higher offer form the raiders and believe that An All world QB and a brand new training facility will be enough to bring Jim here.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 21, 2023 9:47:54 GMT -7
Yesterday on the way home from work Daniel Jeremiah come on the Doug Gottleib show. and he kinda push back on the narrative that the Spanos family doesn't spend on the front office. The Chargers are actually 7th in front office spending. I am going to choose to stop repeating the Spanos are cheap idea. Staley was supposed to be the defensive McVay. The chargers were not the only team gunning for him. We and they got scammed. I really hope and think Harbaugh could happen. He is the coach that we need and he may be available. I think the Spanos crew realizes they might get in a bidding war for him and are willing to match a higher offer form the raiders and believe that An All world QB and a brand new training facility will be enough to bring Jim here. Staley got fired because he refused to accept that his defence was a failure, and make adjustments. He was right, the results were wrong....for years.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 21, 2023 11:49:19 GMT -7
I wonder when we start calling Harbaugh and Belichick Freak's picks. Since they were. Early and often.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 21, 2023 16:40:54 GMT -7
GM's do not pick HC's. Its the owner, No? I think it varies from team to team. IIRC, McCoy and Telesco were hired close to the same time. That would indicate that Tom wasn’t instrumental to that hiring. Then Lynn came along. Then Staley. My understanding was that Telesco was involved but not the final decision maker. Hell, go back to the AJ and Marty feud. It was Dean that fired Marty. It appears that the org chart for the Chargers has the GM and the HC reporting directly to the president of football operations. I don’t know if that helps or hinders the GM/HC dynamic. And if the two don’t see eye to eye, who resolves it. Seems t like it’s a Spanos. That might be a big part of the problem. Compare that to the Niners. It’s seems like Lynch has a vision and hired Shanahan to execute that vision with no light between them. They draft to fit the system. The have traded away talent (Buckner) and traded for talent (Mcaffery). the marty / AJ feud is what got me thinking it was the owner. I think like you with Spanos it is his call on HC and GM. Maybe just Maybe Freak is right about this one.
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Post by amped on Dec 24, 2023 12:36:35 GMT -7
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 24, 2023 13:51:06 GMT -7
x.com/HailDeanThanos/status/1738945252772487236?s=20I think we just lost Harbaugh, he'd be an idiot to turn down that offer IMHO. Maybe upwards of $14 mil per year and lots of control, but I don't see it happening with Spanos... LV maybe or Washington, not Spanos though.
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Post by moekid on Dec 24, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -7
It was fun while it lasted |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 26, 2023 7:40:27 GMT -7
Currently we are picking 6th in the draft.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Dec 26, 2023 8:17:08 GMT -7
Currently we are picking 6th in the draft. Is that Marvin Harrison Jr territory? I'm not a draftnik so I don't know, but his pedigree and college performance have me salivating to see him paired with Herbert! Second legitimate question, with all the needs on this team and with taking a WR in the first last year, should we pass on MHJ if he is available when we pick??
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Post by amped on Dec 26, 2023 8:25:10 GMT -7
Currently we are picking 6th in the draft. Is that Marvin Harrison Jr territory? I'm not a draftnik so I don't know, but his pedigree and college performance have me salivating to see him paired with Herbert! Second legitimate question, with all the needs on this team and with taking a WR in the first last year, should we pass on MHJ if he is available when we pick?? I think TE Brock Bowers will be there at 6. but not MHJ. Either would be a great addition to our Offense. The New GM will have their work cut out for them.
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