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Post by afboltfan on Mar 23, 2024 11:46:56 GMT -7
I see it slightly different. Let’s look back before forward. Couldn’t run the clock out with a monster lead in playoffs at JAX. Last year way way too much passing because we didn’t have a run game. Herbert on had 20 tds but 7 INTS. All of that adds up to 5-12 record wise. Let’s face reality because I just typed it out for you. Roman and Harbaugh are going to run the ball. Just surrender to it because that is our new world. He wants to make Herbert very efficient. That spells run the ball to set up the pass. Herbert will use a lot of play action passes. We were about 63 percent passing which is way too high. We will be in the 50’s with Harbaugh. His dream is probably around 55 percent. But because we have Herbert look for 56-59 percent. This is best forecast post you will get anywhere on earth. Kneel. Then React !!!!!!! They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now I'm hoping for MHJ, Odunze, or Bowers and Corum.
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Post by sonorajim on Mar 23, 2024 15:23:24 GMT -7
LOL! I can't completely agree with either freak or moe. 0-17 is a nightmare than will never happen.
Roman and Harbaugh will run the ball. DUH! But still throw a majority on the season. No shock whatsoever.
Some games may be primarily air, others ground depending on the opponent, the situation.
Winning is in our future.
Swamijim.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 23, 2024 15:51:47 GMT -7
LOL! I can't completely agree with either freak or moe. 0-17 is a nightmare than will never happen. Roman and Harbaugh will run the ball. DUH! But still throw a majority on the season. No shock whatsoever. Some games may be primarily air, others ground depending on the opponent, the situation. Winning is in our future. Swamijim. Agreed... 0-17 is some next level debbie downer.
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Post by moekid on Mar 23, 2024 17:33:40 GMT -7
LOL! I can't completely agree with either freak or moe. 0-17 is a nightmare than will never happen. Roman and Harbaugh will run the ball. DUH! But still throw a majority on the season. No shock whatsoever. Some games may be primarily air, others ground depending on the opponent, the situation. Winning is in our future. Swamijim. Agreed... 0-17 is some next level debbie downer. Note that I said "right now". I'd like them to add some playmakers |
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Post by woodeye on Mar 24, 2024 0:51:48 GMT -7
4th play will be a punt the way things are looking OK moekid.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 24, 2024 6:49:17 GMT -7
I see it slightly different. Let’s look back before forward. Couldn’t run the clock out with a monster lead in playoffs at JAX. Last year way way too much passing because we didn’t have a run game. Herbert on had 20 tds but 7 INTS. All of that adds up to 5-12 record wise. Let’s face reality because I just typed it out for you. Roman and Harbaugh are going to run the ball. Just surrender to it because that is our new world. He wants to make Herbert very efficient. That spells run the ball to set up the pass. Herbert will use a lot of play action passes. We were about 63 percent passing which is way too high. We will be in the 50’s with Harbaugh. His dream is probably around 55 percent. But because we have Herbert look for 56-59 percent. This is best forecast post you will get anywhere on earth. Kneel. Then React !!!!!!! They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now Every player brought in so far feels like one year bandaids.....but definitely a very honest evaluation by moe of the moves made to date. Harbaugh and Roman might commit to run the ball, but lacking the talent on the field will result in poor outcomes. Freak wants a WR with pick 5, and they are not doing that to run the ball. Herbert is the most talented player on the field, he will be the focus.
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Post by sdc on Mar 24, 2024 8:50:48 GMT -7
They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now Every player brought in so far feels like one year bandaids.....but definitely a very honest evaluation by moe of the moves made to date. Harbaugh and Roman might commit to run the ball, but lacking the talent on the field will result in poor outcomes. Freak wants a WR with pick 5, and they are not doing that to run the ball. Herbert is the most talented player on the field, he will be the focus. Everyone is freaking out over Roman's 3 yards and a cloud of dust reputation. Make no mistake, our offense will be what Harbaugh wants it to be. It will be up to Roman to execute but the vision will be all Jim. I envision an offense similar to what Marty and Cam Cameron ran a while back. Of course we have no LT. I would be thrilled for a Michael Turner and Darren Sproles type of duo. Mind you, we found Turner in the 5th round (2004) and Sproles in the 4th (2005). Hopefully, we now have a GM that can find that type of talent in the mid rounds. There are still pieces that will be added including one or two more FA's and one or two June 1st cap casualties.
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Post by sdc on Mar 24, 2024 9:07:36 GMT -7
I see it slightly different. Let’s look back before forward. Couldn’t run the clock out with a monster lead in playoffs at JAX. Last year way way too much passing because we didn’t have a run game. Herbert on had 20 tds but 7 INTS. All of that adds up to 5-12 record wise. Let’s face reality because I just typed it out for you. Roman and Harbaugh are going to run the ball. Just surrender to it because that is our new world. He wants to make Herbert very efficient. That spells run the ball to set up the pass. Herbert will use a lot of play action passes. We were about 63 percent passing which is way too high. We will be in the 50’s with Harbaugh. His dream is probably around 55 percent. But because we have Herbert look for 56-59 percent. This is best forecast post you will get anywhere on earth. Kneel. Then React !!!!!!! They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now Many fans feel this way. I see this sentiment all the time. From what I have seen, the new leadership has a vision. I don't know what it is but nor should I. The roster building part of the offseason is about 30% complete. But many fans make up their own story in the absence of the team broadcasting their vision and intentions. Sadly, often this fan base picks the most dire outcome in any scenario. We have the highest percentage of Chicken Littles and Debbie Downers in the NFL.
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Post by sonorajim on Mar 24, 2024 9:48:16 GMT -7
Agreed... 0-17 is some next level debbie downer. Note that I said "right now". I'd like them to add some playmakers Noted. Still disagree with 0-17 projection with the current roster. Had you said 7-10, maybe a wildcard, I would have agreed.
I also would like Hortiz to add playmakers. Matter of fact, I expect it.
The goal is to take a run at the '24 SB and win some Lombardis going forward with Harbaugh and Herbert.
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Post by moekid on Mar 24, 2024 11:49:16 GMT -7
Note that I said "right now". I'd like them to add some playmakers Noted. Still disagree with 0-17 projection with the current roster. Had you said 7-10, maybe a wildcard, I would have agreed.
I also would like Hortiz to add playmakers. Matter of fact, I expect it.
The goal is to take a run at the '24 SB and win some Lombardis going forward with Harbaugh and Herbert.
Understood. Just want to focus the kool aid drinkers on the current reality. Obviously I exaggerate to make a point. Does 1-16 make everyone feel better? |
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Post by sonorajim on Mar 24, 2024 12:44:05 GMT -7
Noted. Still disagree with 0-17 projection with the current roster. Had you said 7-10, maybe a wildcard, I would have agreed.
I also would like Hortiz to add playmakers. Matter of fact, I expect it.
The goal is to take a run at the '24 SB and win some Lombardis going forward with Harbaugh and Herbert.
Understood. Just want to focus the kool aid drinkers on the current reality. Obviously I exaggerate to make a point. Does 1-16 make everyone feel better? LOL! I can only speak for myself, but sure.
If by "kool aid drinker" you mean those of us who believe that the change in GM, HC etc are a huge improvement, feel free to put me on that registry.
There will be changes, obviously in the draft and more FA, UDFA but given today's roster and coaches vs last years, I can't see less than the 5-12 Staley, etc posted.
I believe that we improved at RB, TE, LB, C and are breaking even at CB & DT so far. Coaching, playcalling a HUGE improvement. I'm really getting into this Kool Aid!
I'll miss Keenan and Mike. So will Herbert but we will have new WRs.
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 24, 2024 13:44:30 GMT -7
I see it slightly different. Let’s look back before forward. Couldn’t run the clock out with a monster lead in playoffs at JAX. Last year way way too much passing because we didn’t have a run game. Herbert on had 20 tds but 7 INTS. All of that adds up to 5-12 record wise. Let’s face reality because I just typed it out for you. Roman and Harbaugh are going to run the ball. Just surrender to it because that is our new world. He wants to make Herbert very efficient. That spells run the ball to set up the pass. Herbert will use a lot of play action passes. We were about 63 percent passing which is way too high. We will be in the 50’s with Harbaugh. His dream is probably around 55 percent. But because we have Herbert look for 56-59 percent. This is best forecast post you will get anywhere on earth. Kneel. Then React !!!!!!! They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now There is no way they have said all that. You suggested trading Herbert. Pick a side. Obvious it’s not working. Change is a comin |
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 24, 2024 13:51:34 GMT -7
LOL! I can't completely agree with either freak or moe. 0-17 is a nightmare than will never happen. Roman and Harbaugh will run the ball. DUH! But still throw a majority on the season. No shock whatsoever. Some games may be primarily air, others ground depending on the opponent, the situation. Winning is in our future. Swamijim. You, Swamijim, will blindly agree with me 100% of the time. PS The dungeon is awfully cold this time of year. |
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Post by moekid on Mar 24, 2024 14:48:32 GMT -7
They've already said all of this. It's not a surprise. Yes we need to run the ball better. Even an emperor with no clothes ca. see that. But they'd be idiots to ignore Herbert's arm. They may be, we'll see. But Gus Edwards isn't a bell cow back. He's a 29 year old journey man back by committee guy so they better draft some talent at the RB position and WR position because this is an 0-17 offense right now There is no way they have said all that. You suggested trading Herbert. Pick a side. Obvious it’s not working. Change is a comin All I hear is that 1) Harbaugh came to us because it Herbert and 2) we don't need WRs or pass catching TE's because we're gonna run the ball. Those 2 things don't line up unless you accept that we do need better weapons at WR, TE and RB. I do think like all of us that we need a much better ground game. But I also think we should be a run last team rather than run first. Meaning that in the 4th quarter after we've staked ourselves to a nice lead on a combo of run and pass we can actually play bully ball to put teams away. But that won't be possible without better skill players If the idea is to be a ground and pound team then we're wasting a lot of money on Herbert and would be better served with a rookie that can game manage |
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 25, 2024 5:06:28 GMT -7
There is no way they have said all that. You suggested trading Herbert. Pick a side. Obvious it’s not working. Change is a comin All I hear is that 1) Harbaugh came to us because it Herbert and 2) we don't need WRs or pass catching TE's because we're gonna run the ball. Those 2 things don't line up unless you accept that we do need better weapons at WR, TE and RB. I do think like all of us that we need a much better ground game. But I also think we should be a run last team rather than run first. Meaning that in the 4th quarter after we've staked ourselves to a nice lead on a combo of run and pass we can actually play bully ball to put teams away. But that won't be possible without better skill players If the idea is to be a ground and pound team then we're wasting a lot of money on Herbert and would be better served with a rookie that can game manage I have never changed my WR in the first round forecast. Never. We can't start Herbert and Fehoko and think we are winning. They are stacking 8-9 in the box at that point. You have to have that passing threat to keep defenses honest. That's why we are getting MHJ or Nabors. Those guys and Herbert will scare the hell out of defenses. I never realized you guys do not understand run to set up the pass. Its not your fault, LT was our last great one to do it. It's ok. Harbaugh and myself understand it. We understand it all the way. By Sept., you will understand it too. Very well. Very Roman (Emperor). Very hardcore lesson.
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