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Post by ohioboltfan on Jun 19, 2019 15:26:47 GMT -7
I've had DirecTV and it's NFL Sunday Ticket for 15 years.
I can do without the former, but not so much the latter!
I'm considering doing away with DirecTV. I know a lot of people are "cord-cutters" and have replaced cable or satellite tv with streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, and others.
But being out of market for the Chargers, how can you get their game broadcasts each week? Is there a way to get NFL Sunday Ticket without DirecTV, perhaps to pay the Chargers or NFL directly to watch the Bolts each week?
Thank you fellow Bolt fans for any advice in advance of our best season ever!
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 19, 2019 15:45:51 GMT -7
I've had DirecTV and it's NFL Sunday Ticket for 15 years. I can do without the former, but not so much the latter! I'm considering doing away with DirecTV. I know a lot of people are "cord-cutters" and have replaced cable or satellite tv with streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, and others. But being out of market for the Chargers, how can you get their game broadcasts each week? Is there a way to get NFL Sunday Ticket without DirecTV, perhaps to pay the Chargers or NFL directly to watch the Bolts each week? Thank you fellow Bolt fans for any advice in advance of our best season ever! DirecTV actually has a streaming service themselves, which is probably a lot cheaper than their satellite TV. Most (good) streaming services will be in the $40 - $60 range per month for HD service, and probably all the channels you need. What I can’t speak for is what NFL Sunday ticket is available with, but my guess would be if there is any streaming service at all that it is available with as an add on, it would be the DirecTV streaming service.
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Post by jachba on Jun 19, 2019 15:55:14 GMT -7
I've had DirecTV and it's NFL Sunday Ticket for 15 years. I can do without the former, but not so much the latter! I'm considering doing away with DirecTV. I know a lot of people are "cord-cutters" and have replaced cable or satellite tv with streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, and others. But being out of market for the Chargers, how can you get their game broadcasts each week? Is there a way to get NFL Sunday Ticket without DirecTV, perhaps to pay the Chargers or NFL directly to watch the Bolts each week? Thank you fellow Bolt fans for any advice in advance of our best season ever! DirecTV actually has a streaming service themselves, which is probably a lot cheaper than their satellite TV. Most (good) streaming services will be in the $40 - $60 range per month for HD service, and probably all the channels you need. What I can’t speak for is what NFL Sunday ticket is available with, but my guess would be if there is any streaming service at all that it is available with as an add on, it would be the DirecTV streaming service. Of course, DirecTV is not available in Canada.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 20, 2019 3:00:55 GMT -7
After this season, the NFL has the right to opt out of its Direct TV contract. They are not getting any takers on the huge exclusive price tag, including from Direct TV. But they are getting interest in multiple sources getting non-exclusive cheaper deals. Even Direct TV wants to go that way, which actually surprised me.
Some of those with interest are streaming companies Amazon, ESPN +, etc.
And yes, with the NFL Sunday Ticket app, you can stream any game. As far as mirror casting onto a tv, or getting the app on your tv, you would have to ask chopper because that is in his scope of expertise.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 20, 2019 8:00:54 GMT -7
After this season, the NFL has the right to opt out of its Direct TV contract. They are not getting any takers on the huge exclusive price tag, including from Direct TV. But they are getting interest in multiple sources getting non-exclusive cheaper deals. Even Direct TV wants to go that way, which actually surprised me. Some of those with interest are streaming companies Amazon, ESPN +, etc. And yes, with the NFL Sunday Ticket app, you can stream any game. As far as mirror casting onto a tv, or getting the app on your tv, you would have to ask chopper because that is in his scope of expertise. I think the business model has to change, as much as they (currently DirectTV) would like to iron fist control the product. Reality is that once one person has received the product, it is no longer controlled, and in many instances found for free in some streaming format. What we have seen in the NHL is a league that does not chase the rabbit down the hole, and simply accepts the reality that once released, most control is gone as well. The approach the NHL has taken on selling its' streaming services versus that of the free streaming is the quality of picture, and it really is pretty high quality. Is that going to prove out that the service is viable, time will tell, but change is happening regardless. Those huge dollar media deals are a thing of the past in many ways.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 20, 2019 9:22:42 GMT -7
After this season, the NFL has the right to opt out of its Direct TV contract. They are not getting any takers on the huge exclusive price tag, including from Direct TV. But they are getting interest in multiple sources getting non-exclusive cheaper deals. Even Direct TV wants to go that way, which actually surprised me. Some of those with interest are streaming companies Amazon, ESPN +, etc. And yes, with the NFL Sunday Ticket app, you can stream any game. As far as mirror casting onto a tv, or getting the app on your tv, you would have to ask chopper because that is in his scope of expertise. I think the business model has to change, as much as they (currently DirectTV) would like to iron fist control the product. Reality is that once one person has received the product, it is no longer controlled, and in many instances found for free in some streaming format. What we have seen in the NHL is a league that does not chase the rabbit down the hole, and simply accepts the reality that once released, most control is gone as well. The approach the NHL has taken on selling its' streaming services versus that of the free streaming is the quality of picture, and it really is pretty high quality. Is that going to prove out that the service is viable, time will tell, but change is happening regardless. Those huge dollar media deals are a thing of the past in many ways. Being a Business Major I'm not sure where to start. But destroying the NHL sounds like the most fun to me, so it will be there.
The NHL can't even sniff the butt of the NFL in viewership, popularity, and not even close in revenue. Why would Number 1 copy anything from number 4 ? They can go down rabbit holes and goalie holes. Number 1 doesn't care.
My very loose following of Canadian Pirated NFL Sunday Ticket is that Direct TV partnered with the NFL has done a pretty damn good job of pursuing, suing, and shutting down illegal transmissions of the games.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 20, 2019 9:36:35 GMT -7
I think the business model has to change, as much as they (currently DirectTV) would like to iron fist control the product. Reality is that once one person has received the product, it is no longer controlled, and in many instances found for free in some streaming format. What we have seen in the NHL is a league that does not chase the rabbit down the hole, and simply accepts the reality that once released, most control is gone as well. The approach the NHL has taken on selling its' streaming services versus that of the free streaming is the quality of picture, and it really is pretty high quality. Is that going to prove out that the service is viable, time will tell, but change is happening regardless. Those huge dollar media deals are a thing of the past in many ways. Being a Business Major I'm not sure where to start. But destroying the NHL sounds like the most fun to me, so it will be there.
The NHL can't even sniff the butt of the NFL in viewership, popularity, and not even close in revenue. Why would Number 1 copy anything from number 4 ? They can go down rabbit holes and goalie holes. Number 1 doesn't care.
My very loose following of Canadian Pirated NFL Sunday Ticket is that Direct TV partnered with the NFL has done a pretty damn good job of pursuing, suing, and shutting down illegal transmissions of the games.
You have far too much anger towards me....... I was not saying what the NFL should, or should not do, merely using the NHL as an example of how one league has approached this issue. You might be correct in that the technology to police ends up being more efficient than that of the ones that 'rebroadcast' the product. It does appear that while being very diligent in their efforts, they are losing the battle each and every week. Does anyone actually have a difficult time finding a free stream for just about any event, worldwide 
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 20, 2019 10:44:21 GMT -7
Being a Business Major I'm not sure where to start. But destroying the NHL sounds like the most fun to me, so it will be there.
The NHL can't even sniff the butt of the NFL in viewership, popularity, and not even close in revenue. Why would Number 1 copy anything from number 4 ? They can go down rabbit holes and goalie holes. Number 1 doesn't care.
My very loose following of Canadian Pirated NFL Sunday Ticket is that Direct TV partnered with the NFL has done a pretty damn good job of pursuing, suing, and shutting down illegal transmissions of the games.
You have far too much anger towards me....... I was not saying what the NFL should, or should not do, merely using the NHL as an example of how one league has approached this issue. You might be correct in that the technology to police ends up being more efficient than that of the ones that 'rebroadcast' the product. It does appear that while being very diligent in their efforts, they are losing the battle each and every week. Does anyone actually have a difficult time finding a free stream for just about any event, worldwide  I have no anger towards you, you are here for my abusement.
I don't think they are losing the protection battle. I think its losing a viewership is down battle. Trust me, they have done the math and projections. The cost of EXCLUSIVE does not pay off for them versus the cost of paying for non-exclusive.
I just don't think they fear the hacked streaming feed from Singapore where I can't tell which players are which, watching the word "Buffering" for 2 hours, right before the NFL crashes the feed.
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Post by chopper31 on Jun 20, 2019 11:10:54 GMT -7
I think it all comes down to technological advances.
When the DVR was invented, TV advertising took a big hit, as everyone started recording their programs and fast forwarding through pesky commercials. That made it tough on the TV Networks to sell their advertisement windows, to the companies that were paying a big portion of the bills. That of course leads to disputes between TV Networks and TV Providers over fees, resulting in temporary or permanent removal of channels from the TV Provider’s service.
Sports was pretty much the exception, as most people watch that live, so during sports programming is when the TV Networks had the biggest opportunity to sell their advertising time. The NFL cashed in on that big time for a pretty good run, TV contract revenues was their biggest source of income, but now streaming services are pretty much phasing out the Cable & Satellite companies. Both the NFL and TV Providers need to evolve.
My guess is that DirecTV has been losing numerous customers to streaming services, and they can no longer count on the NFL Sunday Ticket to retain customers. How many people are gonna spend lots of extra money per year on a TV Service for the full 52 weeks of each year, just so they have the option to buy at a premium 16 weeks of regular season NFL Football (playoffs will always be Nationally Televised) ? That would likely explain why DirecTV wouldn’t be so worried about retaining an exclusive contract with the NFL.
Steaming services make it tougher to fast forward through commercials as well. If you aren’t watching live, in many cases you get a set of ads that you can’t fast forward through, with some lower end streaming services you have no ability to fast forward through ads at all. That is good for the TV Providers & Networks and bad for the NFL as it takes away the biggest piece of leverage they had to negotiate lucrative contracts.
In the short term, the NFL could probably keep their contract with DirecTV intact (as opposed to opting out) and do better for the next few years than they would by switching gears. But in the long term it would most likely benefit them to realize the honeymoon is coming to an end, and evolve sooner rather than later. By eliminating an exclusive and bringing more players into the game, they could possibly come out of the situation a winner...
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 21, 2019 3:33:52 GMT -7
You have far too much anger towards me....... I was not saying what the NFL should, or should not do, merely using the NHL as an example of how one league has approached this issue. You might be correct in that the technology to police ends up being more efficient than that of the ones that 'rebroadcast' the product. It does appear that while being very diligent in their efforts, they are losing the battle each and every week. Does anyone actually have a difficult time finding a free stream for just about any event, worldwide I have no anger towards you, you are here for my abusement.
I don't think they are losing the protection battle. I think its losing a viewership is down battle. Trust me, they have done the math and projections. The cost of EXCLUSIVE does not pay off for them versus the cost of paying for non-exclusive.
I just don't think they fear the hacked streaming feed from Singapore where I can't tell which players are which, watching the word "Buffering" for 2 hours, right before the NFL crashes the feed.
I'll just go ahead and nominate myself here. Oh wait ! Direct TV just nominated it. Never mind.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 21, 2019 3:39:22 GMT -7
I think it all comes down to technological advances. When the DVR was invented, TV advertising took a big hit, as everyone started recording their programs and fast forwarding through pesky commercials. That made it tough on the TV Networks to sell their advertisement windows, to the companies that were paying a big portion of the bills. That of course leads to disputes between TV Networks and TV Providers over fees, resulting in temporary or permanent removal of channels from the TV Provider’s service. Sports was pretty much the exception, as most people watch that live, so during sports programming is when the TV Networks had the biggest opportunity to sell their advertising time. The NFL cashed in on that big time for a pretty good run, TV contract revenues was their biggest source of income, but now streaming services are pretty much phasing out the Cable & Satellite companies. Both the NFL and TV Providers need to evolve. My guess is that DirecTV has been losing numerous customers to streaming services, and they can no longer count on the NFL Sunday Ticket to retain customers. How many people are gonna spend lots of extra money per year on a TV Service for the full 52 weeks of each year, just so they have the option to buy at a premium 16 weeks of regular season NFL Football (playoffs will always be Nationally Televised) ? That would likely explain why DirecTV wouldn’t be so worried about retaining an exclusive contract with the NFL. Steaming services make it tougher to fast forward through commercials as well. If you aren’t watching live, in many cases you get a set of ads that you can’t fast forward through, with some lower end streaming services you have no ability to fast forward through ads at all. That is good for the TV Providers & Networks and bad for the NFL as it takes away the biggest piece of leverage they had to negotiate lucrative contracts. In the short term, the NFL could probably keep their contract with DirecTV intact (as opposed to opting out) and do better for the next few years than they would by switching gears. But in the long term it would most likely benefit them to realize the honeymoon is coming to an end, and evolve sooner rather than later. By eliminating an exclusive and bringing more players into the game, they could possibly come out of the situation a winner...Overall good post. The NFL has crunched the numbers and projections here. Exclusive for huge money, or chunks of money to multiple outlets. They are going to get theirs, and I don't think they care which. Except...................it would make fans happier if they had more than one option. Sunday Ticket has lost out because people had to switch to Direct to get it, and not everyone was willing to do that. I have been with Direct for 10 years because of it, partly. I like their their programming too. Fans would also like lower prices brought on organically through competition.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jun 21, 2019 19:10:24 GMT -7
I think it all comes down to technological advances. When the DVR was invented, TV advertising took a big hit, as everyone started recording their programs and fast forwarding through pesky commercials. That made it tough on the TV Networks to sell their advertisement windows, to the companies that were paying a big portion of the bills. That of course leads to disputes between TV Networks and TV Providers over fees, resulting in temporary or permanent removal of channels from the TV Provider’s service. Sports was pretty much the exception, as most people watch that live, so during sports programming is when the TV Networks had the biggest opportunity to sell their advertising time. The NFL cashed in on that big time for a pretty good run, TV contract revenues was their biggest source of income, but now streaming services are pretty much phasing out the Cable & Satellite companies. Both the NFL and TV Providers need to evolve. My guess is that DirecTV has been losing numerous customers to streaming services, and they can no longer count on the NFL Sunday Ticket to retain customers. How many people are gonna spend lots of extra money per year on a TV Service for the full 52 weeks of each year, just so they have the option to buy at a premium 16 weeks of regular season NFL Football (playoffs will always be Nationally Televised) ? That would likely explain why DirecTV wouldn’t be so worried about retaining an exclusive contract with the NFL. Steaming services make it tougher to fast forward through commercials as well. If you aren’t watching live, in many cases you get a set of ads that you can’t fast forward through, with some lower end streaming services you have no ability to fast forward through ads at all. That is good for the TV Providers & Networks and bad for the NFL as it takes away the biggest piece of leverage they had to negotiate lucrative contracts. In the short term, the NFL could probably keep their contract with DirecTV intact (as opposed to opting out) and do better for the next few years than they would by switching gears. But in the long term it would most likely benefit them to realize the honeymoon is coming to an end, and evolve sooner rather than later. By eliminating an exclusive and bringing more players into the game, they could possibly come out of the situation a winner...Overall good post. The NFL has crunched the numbers and projections here. Exclusive for huge money, or chunks of money to multiple outlets. They are going to get theirs, and I don't think they care which. Except...................it would make fans happier if they had more than one option. Sunday Ticket has lost out because people had to switch to Direct to get it, and not everyone was willing to do that. I have been with Direct for 10 years because of it, partly. I like their their programming too. Fans would also like lower prices brought on organically through competition. Ditto regarding DirecTV. In the past, the sole source bidding has brought in the biggest bang for the buck because DirecTV has obviously seen an uptick to their subscription base due to the exclusive Sunday Ticket package. I've been a subscriber for 25 years now, and it started with the Sunday Ticket package being only available through DirecTV. I've had the Premier package for most of that time and get all of the movie channels. That may be changing now as the NFL realizes that they may now be able to get more money in today's market by offering it through multiple distribution venues and DirecTV recognizes that the exclusive buy-in cost may not be cost efficient any longer. One thing that I do encourage longtime Sunday Ticket subscribers to do is to call DirecTV after the initial payment for the package is locked in. Even though they won't match the new DirecTV subscriber price (basically nothing for Sunday Ticket), by agreeing to a year-long commitment they'll knock off about $50 / month that more than makes up for the cost of the Sunday Ticket package. Hope this helps somebody.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 23, 2019 4:07:13 GMT -7
Overall good post. The NFL has crunched the numbers and projections here. Exclusive for huge money, or chunks of money to multiple outlets. They are going to get theirs, and I don't think they care which. Except...................it would make fans happier if they had more than one option. Sunday Ticket has lost out because people had to switch to Direct to get it, and not everyone was willing to do that. I have been with Direct for 10 years because of it, partly. I like their their programming too. Fans would also like lower prices brought on organically through competition. Ditto regarding DirecTV. In the past, the sole source bidding has brought in the biggest bang for the buck because DirecTV has obviously seen an uptick to their subscription base due to the exclusive Sunday Ticket package. I've been a subscriber for 25 years now, and it started with the Sunday Ticket package being only available through DirecTV. I've had the Premier package for most of that time and get all of the movie channels. That may be changing now as the NFL realizes that they may now be able to get more money in today's market by offering it through multiple distribution venues and DirecTV recognizes that the exclusive buy-in cost may not be cost efficient any longer. One thing that I do encourage longtime Sunday Ticket subscribers to do is to call DirecTV after the initial payment for the package is locked in. Even though they won't match the new DirecTV subscriber price (basically nothing for Sunday Ticket), by agreeing to a year-long commitment they'll knock off about $50 / month that more than makes up for the cost of the Sunday Ticket package. Hope this helps somebody. The other thing you can do is call them before subscribing. It doesn't always work, but just by calling and asking I have taken 100 dollars off in the past.
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Post by fatboyhd on Jun 23, 2019 8:41:29 GMT -7
I've had DirecTV and it's NFL Sunday Ticket for 15 years. I can do without the former, but not so much the latter! I'm considering doing away with DirecTV. I know a lot of people are "cord-cutters" and have replaced cable or satellite tv with streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, and others. But being out of market for the Chargers, how can you get their game broadcasts each week? Is there a way to get NFL Sunday Ticket without DirecTV, perhaps to pay the Chargers or NFL directly to watch the Bolts each week? Thank you fellow Bolt fans for any advice in advance of our best season ever! I dropped both last year and went to cable I live out of the area also... Only missed out on a few games... PM me if you like and I will tell you how I got to see some games....
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