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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 16, 2019 8:16:49 GMT -7
Kareem Hunt can suck an auditorium full of butts. The 3 headed monster of MG3, LF, and AE is approved. I don’t know about that but he can tote the rock that’s fosho Has a hell of a drop kick to boot.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 16, 2019 8:17:51 GMT -7
Denver wanted to get rid of Clinton Portis, not because of his play but his attitude. They landed Champ Bailey and a 2nd Round Pick. Is there a deal out there like that for the Chargers? Chargers are in a possible SuperBowl window. I wouldn't like to see Melvin traded for just draft picks, it would be amazing if they could pull off a deal like that one. Too bad running backs ain't worth what they used to be. The position isn't as valued as it used to be EXCEPT the top ones have some kind of good value.
He has 2 things going for him:
The offense is not the same without him. Proven over and over. Specifically last year. He was drafted by us, and has been the good guy all the way. (TT loves that stuff.)
I believe the Bolts were 4-0 when MG did not play. This isn't about being a good guy or not, in my view. It is much more like TW, in that there is no way the club over pays for the services rendered. Gordon is very good, but he isn't best RB in football money good. Is MG worth a top OT in trade ?
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 16, 2019 8:32:40 GMT -7
The position isn't as valued as it used to be EXCEPT the top ones have some kind of good value.
He has 2 things going for him:
The offense is not the same without him. Proven over and over. Specifically last year. He was drafted by us, and has been the good guy all the way. (TT loves that stuff.)
You've got the first thing backwards. That's actually what goes against him. The Chargers went 4-0 during the four games that MG missed in 2018. Here are the games that he missed: Tennessee (9-7) Pittsburgh (9-6-1) Cincinatti (6-10) Kansas City (12-4) Combined record of the opponents while Gordon was unavailable (Ekeler missed the KC game as well): 36-27-1 They can get by without Gordon for a few games, especially given the fact that he's going to miss at least a handful of games every year. I don't see MG sitting out a few games (missing camp, a definite possiblity), but there's no way that he pulls a Leveon Bell by sitting out the season and not getting the fifth season credit under the terms of his existing contract. Unless he's truly afraid that his body can't hold up, IMO he should bet on himself like the other Melvin did by balling out and proving that he is a reliable option to the entire league. The reason why Ingram didn't get an early extension was due to the fact that he missed more than half of the games during seasons 2 & 3. After showing durability in season 4, he doubled down in season 5 by playing all 16 games and earned his mega-deal. And if he IS afraid that his body won't hold up, that's an especially valid reason for the Chargers to hold firm with their offer.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 16, 2019 10:06:14 GMT -7
The position isn't as valued as it used to be EXCEPT the top ones have some kind of good value.
He has 2 things going for him:
The offense is not the same without him. Proven over and over. Specifically last year. He was drafted by us, and has been the good guy all the way. (TT loves that stuff.)
I believe the Bolts were 4-0 when MG did not play. This isn't about being a good guy or not, in my view. It is much more like TW, in that there is no way the club over pays for the services rendered. Gordon is very good, but he isn't best RB in football money good. Is MG worth a top OT in trade ? I repeat, for our goalies in the audience, the offense was NOT the same when Gordon was out. Now that we have that straightened else, what do you have ?
Top OT ? ............I am thinking...................no. (By Top OT---you mean same age, top OT)
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Post by NoMoreChillies on Jul 16, 2019 19:06:03 GMT -7
Games with Gordon - Average of 117.5 yards per game.
Games without Gordon - Average of 84 yards per game.
Average rushing attempts per game:
With Gordon (Regular + post season) - 23.4
With Gordon (Regular Season only) - 26
Without Gordon - 21.75
Average passing yards with Gordon - 262
Average passing attempts with Gordon - 33
Average passing yards without Gordon 284.5
Average passing attempts without Gordon 32.25
What this worth fellow die hards?
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Post by headtrip on Jul 16, 2019 20:13:41 GMT -7
Games with Gordon - Average of 117.5 yards per game. Games without Gordon - Average of 84 yards per game. Average rushing attempts per game: With Gordon (Regular + post season) - 23.4 With Gordon (Regular Season only) - 26 Without Gordon - 21.75 Average passing yards with Gordon - 262 Average passing attempts with Gordon - 33 Average passing yards without Gordon 284.5 Average passing attempts without Gordon 32.25 What this worth fellow die hards? 5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 16, 2019 21:11:52 GMT -7
Games with Gordon - Average of 117.5 yards per game. Games without Gordon - Average of 84 yards per game. Average rushing attempts per game: With Gordon (Regular + post season) - 23.4 With Gordon (Regular Season only) - 26 Without Gordon - 21.75 Average passing yards with Gordon - 262 Average passing attempts with Gordon - 33 Average passing yards without Gordon 284.5 Average passing attempts without Gordon 32.25 What this worth fellow die hards? 5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts. Between??? That’s barely below Johnson and $3.5 million / season more than the #4 RB for a guy who has put up one 1,000 yard season in four years. That kind of a deal will make it very difficult to sign Bosa next offseason (the signing bonus can only be spread over 4 years max), plus MG will never sign a five-year deal unless more money is guaranteed beyond year 2. Pay him Freeman $$$, not more.
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Post by headtrip on Jul 16, 2019 23:35:24 GMT -7
5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts. Between??? That’s barely below Johnson and $3.5 million / season more than the #4 RB for a guy who has put up one 1,000 yard season in four years. That kind of a deal will make it very difficult to sign Bosa next offseason (the signing bonus can only be spread over 4 years max), plus MG will never sign a five-year deal unless more money is guaranteed beyond year 2. Pay him Freeman $$$, not more. Stats are trash. The Chargers are a way better team with MG3 on the field. Freeman money won't get it done and it shouldn't, the bar has been raised and it's just gonna get higher. Fournette, Elliot, McCaffrey and eventually Barkley contracts are just gonna get bigger and bigger. In a couple years this contract will outside the top 5, inside the top 10, and completely fair for both sides. If it's structured right it won't interfere with anyone else's deal. In fact, in 2 or 3 years PR will probably retire, opening up a crap ton of cap space. If the Chargers are serious about winning a championship with PR they'd better be serious about keeping MG3. (Freeman money lol... less than 1mil/yr more than Jerrick McKinnon... That Flint water must be circulating.)
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 17, 2019 2:55:15 GMT -7
Games with Gordon - Average of 117.5 yards per game. Games without Gordon - Average of 84 yards per game. Average rushing attempts per game: With Gordon (Regular + post season) - 23.4 With Gordon (Regular Season only) - 26 Without Gordon - 21.75 Average passing yards with Gordon - 262 Average passing attempts with Gordon - 33 Average passing yards without Gordon 284.5 Average passing attempts without Gordon 32.25 What this worth fellow die hards? Nominated for Post that Freak told you the offense is not the same without Gordon.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 17, 2019 2:57:20 GMT -7
Games with Gordon - Average of 117.5 yards per game. Games without Gordon - Average of 84 yards per game. Average rushing attempts per game: With Gordon (Regular + post season) - 23.4 With Gordon (Regular Season only) - 26 Without Gordon - 21.75 Average passing yards with Gordon - 262 Average passing attempts with Gordon - 33 Average passing yards without Gordon 284.5 Average passing attempts without Gordon 32.25 What this worth fellow die hards? 5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts.I have already mentioned this. The detractors have never ever had an answer for it. Never. Ever.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 17, 2019 3:00:54 GMT -7
5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts. Between??? That’s barely below Johnson and $3.5 million / season more than the #4 RB for a guy who has put up one 1,000 yard season in four years. That kind of a deal will make it very difficult to sign Bosa next offseason (the signing bonus can only be spread over 4 years max), plus MG will never sign a five-year deal unless more money is guaranteed beyond year 2. Pay him Freeman $$$, not more. I already posted the contract I would like to see. When I was looking at it Joe, I wanted to be fair. I took MG down off the top, but you know where he has an argument ? Jerrick McKinnon. He is getting PAID, and I would take Gordon all day long over McKinnon.
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Post by cthommes on Jul 17, 2019 7:37:02 GMT -7
5yr/60mil 25 gntd. 4th highest paid RB yearly in between Johnson and Freeman. Bigger total contract than Gurley. Cap hit spread out enough to sign Bosa, PR, Henry, ect. Do the right things and get paid? Here's your chance to prove it Bolts.I have already mentioned this. The detractors have never ever had an answer for it. Never. Ever. This whole thing falls in the "do the right things" category? Interesting.
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 17, 2019 7:51:24 GMT -7
TT needs to do nothing but sit and wait......
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 7:52:46 GMT -7
I have already mentioned this. The detractors have never ever had an answer for it. Never. Ever. This whole thing falls in the "do the right things" category? Interesting. MG3 hasn't done the right things? Fascinating.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 17, 2019 8:05:39 GMT -7
TT needs to do nothing but sit and wait...... Said the Pittsburgh Steelers GM dealing with Bell ..........................................................................................
He needs to do plenty. He needs to resolve this. I just watched THE football culture team of the NFL implode over this very situation.You can point to it being the biggest reason the Steelers missed the playoffs this year. It's that important. Trust me. We do NOT want that.
His word and reputation around the league and world are on the line. "Do the right thing, and I will take care of you."
Live by the motto, die by the motto.
FLAME ME WHILE I HOLD TELESCO'S FEET TO THE FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOALIES CAN'T SKATE IN WATER. FIRE HAS MELTED THE ICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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