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Post by ohioboltfan on Jan 13, 2020 14:43:13 GMT -7
Conference Championship Titans vs Chiefs (spread 7.5) Pts: 52 (35-17)Packers vs 49r's (Spread 7.0) Pts: 43 (27-16)Another week of taking the favorites at home, but laying those points isn't easy!
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 13, 2020 14:51:09 GMT -7
You play the odds. By greater odds you need that good/elite QB just to GET to the playoffs. Only 12 of 32 teams make the playoffs. You look at this years list and I bet it is filled with good/elite QB's. Our own Franchise QB decided to play catch with the defenses this year and we were 5-11.
Mahomes and Rodgers are in the Conf. Finals. You can argue they are the two best QB's in their conf's. (Jackson this year in the AFC would be part of the talk. Drew Brees in the NFC too. All 4 made the playoffs.) Hell Seattle went two games deep in the playoffs with no RB's, no TE to speak of, and an average defense. How ? Russell Wilson, that's how.
All of this are some reasons teams lose their freaking minds about QB's. Over value in pay, over value in the draft.
I noticed you didn't mention the other half of the QBs that are in the conference finals... Allow me to recover my (purposeful) mistake, sir.
Garoppolo was Tom Brady's back up. Tutoring behind the GOAT QB AND GOAT HC, he was so good Brady made damn sure NE got rid of him. 4000 yards and 27 TD's this year.
Tannehill suffered hard in Miami. He found a home and system that worked for him in Tenn. Run Henry, and manage the game. Good ? Good enough to beat Brady and Jackson on the road in the playoffs back to back weeks.
But you guys keep pimpin' for Stick. Our future is bright there.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 13, 2020 15:47:30 GMT -7
You play the odds. By greater odds you need that good/elite QB just to GET to the playoffs. Only 12 of 32 teams make the playoffs. You look at this years list and I bet it is filled with good/elite QB's. Our own Franchise QB decided to play catch with the defenses this year and we were 5-11.
Mahomes and Rodgers are in the Conf. Finals. You can argue they are the two best QB's in their conf's. (Jackson this year in the AFC would be part of the talk. Drew Brees in the NFC too. All 4 made the playoffs.) Hell Seattle went two games deep in the playoffs with no RB's, no TE to speak of, and an average defense. How ? Russell Wilson, that's how.
All of this are some reasons teams lose their freaking minds about QB's. Over value in pay, over value in the draft.
Give an average QB plenty of time, and that average QB will produce above average results. Same goes for a RB....... Success is found in the trenches more often than not. Yea, you need talent pretty much everywhere to get it done.....but the Bolts have the talented QB, they need the talented OL. Is above average good enough? I think you are missing the point. Its not what you believe. Its what the NFL does. They over draft QB's, and the OVER pay em. Franchise QB's always cost a team talent elsewhere as a result. Just the way it is. One of the reasons I think moving from PR is a good move. Frees huge amounts of money tp acquire talented youth.
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Post by cthommes on Jan 13, 2020 16:05:58 GMT -7
I noticed you didn't mention the other half of the QBs that are in the conference finals... Allow me to recover my (purposeful) mistake, sir.
Garoppolo was Tom Brady's back up. Tutoring behind the GOAT QB AND GOAT HC, he was so good Brady made damn sure NE got rid of him. 4000 yards and 27 TD's this year.
Tannehill suffered hard in Miami. He found a home and system that worked for him in Tenn. Run Henry, and manage the game. Good ? Good enough to beat Brady and Jackson on the road in the playoffs back to back weeks.
But you guys keep pimpin' for Stick. Our future is bright there.
I noticed you didn't mention the plethora of other QBs that learned behind the goat... |
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Post by lazylightning on Jan 13, 2020 21:07:43 GMT -7
Conference Championship
Titans vs Chiefs (spread 7.5) Pts: 60
Packers vs 49r's (Spread 7.0) Pts: 51
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 14, 2020 2:27:06 GMT -7
Allow me to recover my (purposeful) mistake, sir.
Garoppolo was Tom Brady's back up. Tutoring behind the GOAT QB AND GOAT HC, he was so good Brady made damn sure NE got rid of him. 4000 yards and 27 TD's this year.
Tannehill suffered hard in Miami. He found a home and system that worked for him in Tenn. Run Henry, and manage the game. Good ? Good enough to beat Brady and Jackson on the road in the playoffs back to back weeks.
But you guys keep pimpin' for Stick. Our future is bright there.
I noticed you didn't mention the plethora of other QBs that learned behind the goat... Matt Cassel: Signed a $63 million deal ($28 million guaranteed) with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2009. He made more than $60 million after leaving the Patriots, per Spotrac. Brian Hoyer: Recently agreed to a two-year, $12 million contract with $9 million guaranteed Jimmy Garoppolo: Signed a then-NFL record five-year, $137.5 million contract with the San Francisco 49ers in 2018 that included more than $70 million in guarantees. Jacoby Brissett: Recently agreed to a two-year extension worth $30 million with $20 million guaranteed.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 14, 2020 2:44:36 GMT -7
Allow me to recover my (purposeful) mistake, sir.
Garoppolo was Tom Brady's back up. Tutoring behind the GOAT QB AND GOAT HC, he was so good Brady made damn sure NE got rid of him. 4000 yards and 27 TD's this year.
Tannehill suffered hard in Miami. He found a home and system that worked for him in Tenn. Run Henry, and manage the game. Good ? Good enough to beat Brady and Jackson on the road in the playoffs back to back weeks.
But you guys keep pimpin' for Stick. Our future is bright there.
I noticed you didn't mention the plethora of other QBs that learned behind the goat... They never needed one AND picked late in the first every year.
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Post by cthommes on Jan 14, 2020 6:25:35 GMT -7
I noticed you didn't mention the plethora of other QBs that learned behind the goat... Matt Cassel: Signed a $63 million deal ($28 million guaranteed) with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2009. He made more than $60 million after leaving the Patriots, per Spotrac. Brian Hoyer: Recently agreed to a two-year, $12 million contract with $9 million guaranteed Jimmy Garoppolo: Signed a then-NFL record five-year, $137.5 million contract with the San Francisco 49ers in 2018 that included more than $70 million in guarantees. Jacoby Brissett: Recently agreed to a two-year extension worth $30 million with $20 million guaranteed. You already talked about Jimmy G. The rest are all appearing in the conference championships as well? |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 14, 2020 6:27:41 GMT -7
Matt Cassel: Signed a $63 million deal ($28 million guaranteed) with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2009. He made more than $60 million after leaving the Patriots, per Spotrac. Brian Hoyer: Recently agreed to a two-year, $12 million contract with $9 million guaranteed Jimmy Garoppolo: Signed a then-NFL record five-year, $137.5 million contract with the San Francisco 49ers in 2018 that included more than $70 million in guarantees. Jacoby Brissett: Recently agreed to a two-year extension worth $30 million with $20 million guaranteed. You already talked about Jimmy G. The rest are all appearing in the conference championships as well? Pay attention to they haven't needed one for 20 years and they always pick at the bottom of the first.
Once you grasp that we can move on. Its all there for you to see.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 14, 2020 8:21:07 GMT -7
Give an average QB plenty of time, and that average QB will produce above average results. Same goes for a RB....... Success is found in the trenches more often than not. Yea, you need talent pretty much everywhere to get it done.....but the Bolts have the talented QB, they need the talented OL. Is above average good enough? I think you are missing the point. Its not what you believe. Its what the NFL does. They over draft QB's, and the OVER pay em. Franchise QB's always cost a team talent elsewhere as a result. Just the way it is. One of the reasons I think moving from PR is a good move. Frees huge amounts of money tp acquire talented youth. You have lost sight of the original topic, which is paying a large percentage of the budget to a single player. Freak points out they (NFL) do it all across the league for QB's, with a possibility that Mahomes sees a 40 mil/yr contract. My only view is on how does that disparity work over time. If it continues to grow, how does that effect spending management, where do the savings come from to afford the growing disparity? Freak says you just pay the supporting cast less. OK.....but does that hurt the club, and how does that impact having quality depth? I am looking at this from a long view on financial operations, and simply believe there has to be a stop to the shift on money towards a single player. Brady recognized the impact to the club, and apparently chose to take less in an attempt to facilitate the club affording more talented players, depth or otherwise. At some point raising the cap ends, and fiscal realities will force the change.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 14, 2020 8:34:18 GMT -7
Is above average good enough? I think you are missing the point. Its not what you believe. Its what the NFL does. They over draft QB's, and the OVER pay em. Franchise QB's always cost a team talent elsewhere as a result. Just the way it is. One of the reasons I think moving from PR is a good move. Frees huge amounts of money tp acquire talented youth. You have lost sight of the original topic, which is paying a large percentage of the budget to a single player. Freak points out they (NFL) do it all across the league for QB's, with a possibility that Mahomes sees a 40 mil/yr contract. My only view is on how does that disparity work over time. If it continues to grow, how does that effect spending management, where do the savings come from to afford the growing disparity? Freak says you just pay the supporting cast less. OK.....but does that hurt the club, and how does that impact having quality depth? I am looking at this from a long view on financial operations, and simply believe there has to be a stop to the shift on money towards a single player. Brady recognized the impact to the club, and apparently chose to take less in an attempt to facilitate the club affording more talented players, depth or otherwise. At some point raising the cap ends, and fiscal realities will force the change. You have to get creative. Aaron Rodgers comes to mind. Franchise QB sucking up money. So they have a good RB to go with him in Aaron Jones. He is on a Rookie contract. All in all, Jones' average salary is around just $650,000.
There is mandatory give and take when you give out the big payday in a salary cap. Our free agents list is bad enough, but when you figure the market value of just Rivers and Bosa. Whew. Expensive.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 14, 2020 8:45:39 GMT -7
Is above average good enough? I think you are missing the point. Its not what you believe. Its what the NFL does. They over draft QB's, and the OVER pay em. Franchise QB's always cost a team talent elsewhere as a result. Just the way it is. One of the reasons I think moving from PR is a good move. Frees huge amounts of money tp acquire talented youth. You have lost sight of the original topic, which is paying a large percentage of the budget to a single player. Freak points out they (NFL) do it all across the league for QB's, with a possibility that Mahomes sees a 40 mil/yr contract. My only view is on how does that disparity work over time. If it continues to grow, how does that effect spending management, where do the savings come from to afford the growing disparity? Freak says you just pay the supporting cast less. OK.....but does that hurt the club, and how does that impact having quality depth? I am looking at this from a long view on financial operations, and simply believe there has to be a stop to the shift on money towards a single player. Brady recognized the impact to the club, and apparently chose to take less in an attempt to facilitate the club affording more talented players, depth or otherwise. At some point raising the cap ends, and fiscal realities will force the change. You and I are not in a disagreement. Just looking at this from a different perspective. Your view matches what I said above. The answer to your question is YES. That was why I posted originally, wait till they have to pay him. Its just the way it is. QB's as good a Mahommes get paid huge dollars and its always at the expense of other talent. How much it impacts the team is why they pay GM's huge $. Thinking like an NFL owner: Mahommes sells tickets, merchandise, and huge hype. He makes the team money. $$$$$$ The NFL pays marque players, despite what it does to the rest of team. Sure they try to manage that and want the player to see the bigger picture. But if you are the face of the franchise, in a business that can end with one hit, you take the money. Saint Brady is an exception. The NFL did put a stop in place with the current CBA setting the $ draftees will get paid. Prior it was up to the teams. Ask the Chargers how that worked out with the name that shall not be named. When will it end? Good question. But I'm thinking not anytime soon.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 19, 2020 15:48:37 GMT -7
I just need Titans to kick a FG without letting KC score again.
one can hope
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 19, 2020 15:56:25 GMT -7
oh. its a 11 point game FG will not do.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 20, 2020 3:42:21 GMT -7
Titans are going to the SB. They destroy KC next week You play the pool your way and take the hot underdog. But I have to give you a serious bettors mantra I have never forgotten: Third week straight on the road is death itself. To do it in the playoffs. Whew. This mantra rarely fails me and I even bolded it for you.
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