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Post by cthommes on Jan 3, 2020 8:13:07 GMT -7
The second bold is dead wrong.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 3, 2020 8:20:55 GMT -7
Ok. I actually feel better reading TT's words. It reaffirms what I thought was going on. I'll give my opinion, just take it for what its worth. And yes, it is worth Gold: Rivers got punked his last contract. No problem, I'll get em next time. At the start of the 2019 season, Telesco told Rivers "We'll take care of you after the season." No problem Rivers said. Well now we are there. Its all posturing for negotiations. Rivers crying, TT saying he still has it, its all negotiations. NOW what you have to fear is Telesco screwing it up by being a tight wad. You already know how he is about contracts. He's money Grinch, tight. Rivers knows it and is offended partly because he did agree to wait. Rivers has multiple pluses for leverage.....The Gordon thing did not cast TT in a good light. I'm not picking sides, you are allowed to fully agree with TT in that situation, and then you are fully allowed to know he did not come out in a good light. Rivers is in a good spot. Do you want to screw this up like the Gordon fiasco ? No, I didn't think your reputation wanted that. Franchise QB money has gone up. Cap has gone up. Other teams WILL sign Rivers. The latest rumors is Indy signing him. Rivers is about to get PAID. Now TT can decide where that is exactly. Don't try to be tight either boy. Pissing around will cost you dearly now. You have made your own bed here with Gordon blankets. Its time to lay in it. PS. ARM SURGERY OUT FOR THE YEAR INJURED Big Ben in Pittsburgh will get 34 million dollars for next year.Let that sink in for a minute. Rivers agent is sinking it in real good right now. I laugh. If PR wants to play, he will also want to stay close to home. LAs Vegas is a more likely spot.
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Post by moekid on Jan 3, 2020 10:11:02 GMT -7
Ok. I actually feel better reading TT's words. It reaffirms what I thought was going on. I'll give my opinion, just take it for what its worth. And yes, it is worth Gold: Rivers got punked his last contract. No problem, I'll get em next time. At the start of the 2019 season, Telesco told Rivers "We'll take care of you after the season." No problem Rivers said. Well now we are there. Its all posturing for negotiations. Rivers crying, TT saying he still has it, its all negotiations. NOW what you have to fear is Telesco screwing it up by being a tight wad. You already know how he is about contracts. He's money Grinch, tight. Rivers knows it and is offended partly because he did agree to wait. Rivers has multiple pluses for leverage.....The Gordon thing did not cast TT in a good light. I'm not picking sides, you are allowed to fully agree with TT in that situation, and then you are fully allowed to know he did not come out in a good light. Rivers is in a good spot. Do you want to screw this up like the Gordon fiasco ? No, I didn't think your reputation wanted that. Franchise QB money has gone up. Cap has gone up. Other teams WILL sign Rivers. The latest rumors is Indy signing him. Rivers is about to get PAID. Now TT can decide where that is exactly. Don't try to be tight either boy. Pissing around will cost you dearly now. You have made your own bed here with Gordon blankets. Its time to lay in it. PS. ARM SURGERY OUT FOR THE YEAR INJURED Big Ben in Pittsburgh will get 34 million dollars for next year.Let that sink in for a minute. Rivers agent is sinking it in real good right now. I laugh. If PR wants to play, he will also want to stay close to home. LAs Vegas is a more likely spot. Father Phil ain’t going to sin city
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 3, 2020 11:22:12 GMT -7
You can get a premo guard at #38. A team “could”, but TT won’t He tried in 1st 3 rounds with Fluker, Watt, Tuerk, Lamp, Feeney & Pipkins. His misses are not a good reason to stop trying to build OL. I see it as a coin flip. There will be a lot of quality talent we could use at #38. Choice may depend on FA activity. No one, and that includes TT, is not aware that OL needs added talent.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 3, 2020 12:34:29 GMT -7
A team “could”, but TT won’t He tried in 1st 3 rounds with Fluker, Watt, Tuerk, Lamp, Feeney & Pipkins. His misses are not a good reason to stop trying to build OL. I see it as a coin flip. There will be a lot of quality talent we could use at #38. Choice may depend on FA activity. No one, and that includes TT, is not aware that OL needs added talent. that OL needs added talent....THE MOST. that is another reason, I do not draft a QB with the first pick. Heck there is even a few star DL too
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 3, 2020 12:59:27 GMT -7
He tried in 1st 3 rounds with Fluker, Watt, Tuerk, Lamp, Feeney & Pipkins. His misses are not a good reason to stop trying to build OL. I see it as a coin flip. There will be a lot of quality talent we could use at #38. Choice may depend on FA activity. No one, and that includes TT, is not aware that OL needs added talent. that OL needs added talent....THE MOST. that is another reason, I do not draft a QB with the first pick. Heck there is even a few star DL too WR talent is pretty outrageous too! QB Burrow, DE Young, CB Okudah very likely go in top 5. 6 will have a load of talented choices. I'm thinking QB based on long term need, #1 most importamt position value, potential immediate reward. I do not disagree with OL need but could be happy with a great LG at 38 & a good FA RT.
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Post by wahoo21 on Jan 3, 2020 14:27:17 GMT -7
that OL needs added talent....THE MOST. that is another reason, I do not draft a QB with the first pick. Heck there is even a few star DL too WR talent is pretty outrageous too! QB Burrow, DE Young, CB Okudah very likely go in top 5. 6 will have a load of talented choices. I'm thinking QB based on long term need, #1 most importamt position value, potential immediate reward. I do not disagree with OL need but could be happy with a great LG at 38 & a good FA RT. I agree....nothing like a good FART
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Post by boltgang74 on Jan 3, 2020 15:06:36 GMT -7
WR talent is pretty outrageous too! QB Burrow, DE Young, CB Okudah very likely go in top 5. 6 will have a load of talented choices. I'm thinking QB based on long term need, #1 most importamt position value, potential immediate reward. I do not disagree with OL need but could be happy with a great LG at 38 & a good FA RT. I agree....nothing like a good FART Agreed QB is most important and luckily we have Rivers.OK so now get him a damn O line TT or yer fired!!!And how about replacing WR #3 and finding MGs replacement while yer at it.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 3, 2020 15:21:51 GMT -7
that OL needs added talent....THE MOST. that is another reason, I do not draft a QB with the first pick. Heck there is even a few star DL too WR talent is pretty outrageous too! QB Burrow, DE Young, CB Okudah very likely go in top 5. 6 will have a load of talented choices. I'm thinking QB based on long term need, #1 most importamt position value, potential immediate reward. I do not disagree with OL need but could be happy with a great LG at 38 & a good FA RT. A lot depending on FA. Esp.. this year. Bosa, HH, PR, OL needs, DL need. LB need. How and what TT does in FA will determine draft pick 100% IMO.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 3, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -7
that OL needs added talent....THE MOST. that is another reason, I do not draft a QB with the first pick. Heck there is even a few star DL too WR talent is pretty outrageous too! QB Burrow, DE Young, CB Okudah very likely go in top 5. 6 will have a load of talented choices. I'm thinking QB based on long term need, #1 most importamt position value, potential immediate reward. I do not disagree with OL need but could be happy with a great LG at 38 & a good FA RT. As for QB I'd actually rather draft 2 later rounders then go 1st round and hope my 50% or less success at landing a future franchiser. This year would not be the year to do that, but I seriously would consider it if I had no one I could look to. This year, I'm drafting another QB but not until rounds 2-4 depending on how FA went.
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Post by jean74 on Jan 3, 2020 16:12:25 GMT -7
It is about cleaning house. And about trying to put in those players and staffers who want to win!
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 4, 2020 2:52:05 GMT -7
A team “could”, but TT won’t He tried in 1st 3 rounds with Fluker, Watt, Tuerk, Lamp, Feeney & Pipkins. His misses are not a good reason to stop trying to build OL. I see it as a coin flip. There will be a lot of quality talent we could use at #38. Choice may depend on FA activity. No one, and that includes TT, is not aware that OL needs added talent. Great line. We can cry and moan about the past. Has nothing to do with needing help there.
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Post by Chargeroo on Jan 5, 2020 11:57:28 GMT -7
People ask why can't we ever beat the Pats?
Think about it - have you ever seen a Bolts - Pats game where we won at the line of scrimmage on either side? Maybe the game where McCree fumbled the win away but all the rest of the years their lines are better than ours. We often have more great players in the skill positions but we can't win when our lines are inferior. That's the same reason we can't beat KC.
When will our team leaders realize it? When will the people that post in here realize it. It seems so obvious to me.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 5, 2020 12:59:28 GMT -7
People ask why can't we ever beat the Pats? Think about it - have you ever seen a Bolts - Pats game where we won at the line of scrimmage on either side? Maybe the game where McCree fumbled the win away but all the rest of the years their lines are better than ours. We often have more great players in the skill positions but we can't win when our lines are inferior. That's the same reason we can't beat KC. When will our team leaders realize it? When will the people that post in here realize it. It seems so obvious to me. That feels like a straw man. Many people who post here have been saying that the lines, and especially the OL, were big problems. Who is saying they weren’t/aren’t? In the salary cap era, you can’t afford good to great throughout the team unless you scout, draft, and develop players very well, make good FA decisions, and use thoughtful strategy to increase draft pick acquisitions. Few can do all of those things. The Chargers have been good but not excellent at scouting and drafting, mediocre at developing players, poor at FA signings, and poor at leveraging opportunities to increase draft picks. The team’s hot-and-cold-but-mostly-cold performance reflects the quality of the team, from scouting to players to coaches. I would argue that the Chargers have been generally overperforming for years because of a few key players (sometimes different each season).
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 5, 2020 14:30:29 GMT -7
People ask why can't we ever beat the Pats? Think about it - have you ever seen a Bolts - Pats game where we won at the line of scrimmage on either side? Maybe the game where McCree fumbled the win away but all the rest of the years their lines are better than ours. We often have more great players in the skill positions but we can't win when our lines are inferior. That's the same reason we can't beat KC. When will our team leaders realize it? When will the people that post in here realize it. It seems so obvious to me. OL has been substandard of late. Not always. There have been times during Rivers career when they were good -very good. OL is not the Only Answer but agree on current need. Telesco's batting avg with Rd 1 to 3 OL has been lousy. Fluker, Watt & Tuerk are gone, Lamp is perennially injured, Feeney is starting but not well, Pipkins is a maybe. TT has done better in FA talent but not great. There have been FA misses and some quality starters who unfortunately have not had lengthy starting careers with LAC thus far. Okung & Pouncey are maybes. Quality has been obvious at times, so have injuries. Schofield has been a durable journeyman, usable starter. We have a little more spending cap. I'd make OL a priority in FA. Getting a quality vet OT or OG with some rubber left on his tires would be huge. This is a good OL draft. Get OL with our high 2nd pick. Get our QB of the future with #6. OL double dipping encouraged.
That's my take. Telesco, J Spanos no doubt have their own perspective. I'm absolutely certain that they have observed QB pressures allowed, inconsistent run blocking by the '19 OL and are aware of the damaging W-L impact. What they'll choose to do remains a question we won't know the answer to until we see the 2020 training camp roster. Pretty sure they'll do something. We all hope that it will be enough. Starting in their new "Best in NFL" stadium may stimulate their desire to put Chargers fans in the seats. Reg season - post season "W's" are the best way. I totally respect your football takes. GO BOLTS!
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