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Post by afboltfan on Jan 18, 2020 7:49:04 GMT -7
Injuries, poor coaching...... I like how you conveniently left out PR nearly leading the league in INT's...
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 18, 2020 7:54:35 GMT -7
Yea... and TT is garbage at drafting oline. I agree with TT having little success when drafting OL.....been that way for years. Wonder what the cause is, and don't say TT as every pick is a collective effort. If it was as simple as just being TT, then easy fix: we are going to take an OL player next pick, TT please leave the room. Fluker was a panic pick, I think because oline was getting nabbed early... I STILL wish we would have got Star!! Lamp was supposed to be a good pick, everybody loved Lamp! I also really had hopes for Tuerk early on, but that was a disaster... So on and so on...
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 18, 2020 8:23:15 GMT -7
Injuries, poor coaching...... I like how you conveniently left out PR nearly leading the league in INT's... Nah, he had a bad season no doubt, but others did as well. Everyone knows I view the OL as the big problem regarding Rivers' play. Not to say Rivers didn't make a poor choice or two along the way.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 18, 2020 8:27:37 GMT -7
I agree with TT having little success when drafting OL.....been that way for years. Wonder what the cause is, and don't say TT as every pick is a collective effort. If it was as simple as just being TT, then easy fix: we are going to take an OL player next pick, TT please leave the room. Fluker was a panic pick, I think because oline was getting nabbed early... I STILL wish we would have got Star!! Lamp was supposed to be a good pick, everybody loved Lamp! I also really had hopes for Tuerk early on, but that was a disaster... So on and so on... Fuuker was a PON reach pick in my view, and a good example of why you do not go PON with a 1st rd pick, always go top talent.....now if you get lucky as the Bolts were with James, BPA and PON align. Lamp was a solid pick by TT. Nobody can predict injuries, and to add insult to that injury, not having the player return to the same talent level......it happens, but it hurt the roster build big time.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 18, 2020 10:27:45 GMT -7
I think we'll get several FAs, TT always does. Big names is the question. Expect 1+ top vet OL (again). Hope we get a durable one. Respectfully, no he doesn't. Last year alone was horrible.
Respect for you sticking up for our GM though.
Much love.
Respectfully, you are mistaken. TT ALWAYS signs FAs. You may be speaking to the level of quality but they did physically exist.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 18, 2020 10:35:04 GMT -7
Fluker was a panic pick, I think because oline was getting nabbed early... I STILL wish we would have got Star!! Lamp was supposed to be a good pick, everybody loved Lamp! I also really had hopes for Tuerk early on, but that was a disaster... So on and so on... Fuuker was a PON reach pick in my view, and a good example of why you do not go PON with a 1st rd pick, always go top talent.....now if you get lucky as the Bolts were with James, BPA and PON align. Lamp was a solid pick by TT. Nobody can predict injuries, and to add insult to that injury, not having the player return to the same talent level......it happens, but it hurt the roster build big time. Lamp & Feeney were the top rated OGs in their draft. Getting both SEEMED to guarantee at least one quality OG for the future. No such luck. Keep trying Tom.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 18, 2020 10:44:53 GMT -7
I like how you conveniently left out PR nearly leading the league in INT's... Nah, he had a bad season no doubt, but others did as well. Everyone knows I view the OL as the big problem regarding Rivers' play. Not to say Rivers didn't make a poor choice or two along the way. or three or four or..
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Post by moekid on Jan 18, 2020 11:02:15 GMT -7
Yea... and TT is garbage at drafting oline. I agree with TT having little success when drafting OL.....been that way for years. Wonder what the cause is, and don't say TT as every pick is a collective effort. If it was as simple as just being TT, then easy fix: we are going to take an OL player next pick, TT please leave the room. At a certain point, you have to stop looking at TT and look at what happens to the players when they get here in terms of development and coaching. I feel pretty certain that if we had a guy like NE’s OL coach several of TT’s picks would be all pros.
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Post by jwr10x on Jan 18, 2020 12:42:20 GMT -7
Fuuker was a PON reach pick in my view, and a good example of why you do not go PON with a 1st rd pick, always go top talent.....now if you get lucky as the Bolts were with James, BPA and PON align. Lamp was a solid pick by TT. Nobody can predict injuries, and to add insult to that injury, not having the player return to the same talent level......it happens, but it hurt the roster build big time. Lamp & Feeney were the top rated OGs in their draft. Getting both SEEMED to guarantee at least one quality OG for the future. No such luck. Keep trying Tom.
I am most likely in the minority but I did try to watch Lamp closely when he played this year and do believe he will do much better than Feeney next year. He had the problem last year of bad O LIne coaching that thought "Hey the line was descent last year so lets keep them together" mentality. Okung goes down and the kept trying to plug that hole with Scott & Pipkins. Tevi & Feeney regressed alot. Lamp came in and starts holding his own only to have someone fall on him and break his ankle.
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Post by headtrip on Jan 18, 2020 17:52:31 GMT -7
Yea... and TT is garbage at drafting oline. I agree with TT having little success when drafting OL.....been that way for years. Wonder what the cause is, and don't say TT as every pick is a collective effort. If it was as simple as just being TT, then easy fix: we are going to take an OL player next pick, TT please leave the room. TT is just the personification of the front office which includes the entire scouting department, young Spanos, and presumably people I don’t even know exist. They’ve done a poor job acquiring talent. Exactly how much blame should be assigned to them is a mystery. Who knows how well the talent is being developed. I’d argue there was never much to develop though. Still, pick 6 looks can’t miss for an OT.
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Post by jean74 on Jan 18, 2020 18:05:01 GMT -7
Yeah as really hope that they can get a QB Philip can groom that one day will take his place. Just wished Phil could go to a SB and end his career out on top.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 19, 2020 2:13:56 GMT -7
Respectfully, no he doesn't. Last year alone was horrible.
Respect for you sticking up for our GM though.
Much love.
Respectfully, you are mistaken. TT ALWAYS signs FAs. You may be speaking to the level of quality but they did physically exist. Every team ALWAYS signs FA's or you wouldn't have a very good roster. I think I am referring to quantity AND quality. Our big splash was to overpay a backup QB when our starter had 111 whatever straight starts. Jim I know I wanted to go All In, but it was super low. Didn't he do like 2 players in one FA round, and about zero in the other wave ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 19, 2020 2:22:16 GMT -7
Fuuker was a PON reach pick in my view, and a good example of why you do not go PON with a 1st rd pick, always go top talent.....now if you get lucky as the Bolts were with James, BPA and PON align. Lamp was a solid pick by TT. Nobody can predict injuries, and to add insult to that injury, not having the player return to the same talent level......it happens, but it hurt the roster build big time. Lamp & Feeney were the top rated OGs in their draft. Getting both SEEMED to guarantee at least one quality OG for the future. No such luck. Keep trying Tom.
Oh, I want them replaced, but make no mistake, I have no problem with him drafting them when he did. They looked like the right picks where they were.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 19, 2020 9:56:13 GMT -7
Lamp & Feeney were the top rated OGs in their draft. Getting both SEEMED to guarantee at least one quality OG for the future. No such luck. Keep trying Tom.
Oh, I want them replaced, but make no mistake, I have no problem with him drafting them when he did. They looked like the right picks where they were. Personally, I want lamp one more year. I think the knee injury was a long term recovery. He held his own late in the season. The talent is there.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 19, 2020 11:08:37 GMT -7
Oh, I want them replaced, but make no mistake, I have no problem with him drafting them when he did. They looked like the right picks where they were. Personally, I want lamp one more year. I think the knee injury was a long term recovery. He held his own late in the season. The talent is there. I wouldn't be in a hurry to dump any of our young OL. I'd like to see them compete to make the final 53 in a roster with a couple healthy quality vets AND a couple talented 2020 draft picks. I'm of the opinion that competing for starting/roster slots, playing next to/between the above will result in elevating the performance of the young 2019 OLs, or at least a few. Put them in a better opportunity with higher expectations first and if they don't appear to get it in OT/TC, see ya.
OL Coach Meyer will be in a make or break situation in 2020 but give him a roster before the S- can.
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