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Post by afboltfan on Jan 21, 2020 7:13:03 GMT -7
Its not realistic to think Lynn is on any kind of hot seat IMHO... Lynn is 26/23 as a HC with a playoff win and he is a minority coach in a season where the Rooney Rule is seemingly getting ignored. Personally I think there are better coaches out there but I also think all the hate for Lynn is unwarranted. I want to see what he does without PR and I want to see if he can repeat a playoff run. His coaching tree/background is actually very impressive. It could be alot worse guys...
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 21, 2020 7:32:46 GMT -7
He being Lynn ? I think Lynn is just average, and we have seen his best already, which really is nothing to get excited about. Average.....moving on from him should be easy. TT ? He has done a solid job when one actually considers all the things that fall under a GM's responsibilities. They are two separate decisions. He being Lynn, yes. TT’s two most important jobs have been hiring a HC (twice) and giving Rivers a good offensive line. McCoy was a failure, Lynn is a question mark but isn’t trending well, and the Oline is, as it’s been throughout his tenure, bad. To address your point though, TT’s evaluation is directly tied to Lynn. If A 2nd TT selected HC fails he shouldn’t be allowed to select a 3rd no matter how well he’s managed the cap etc. This is all rhetorical though. TT is called the GM but who knows how much power he really has. Firing him still leaves the rest of the front office to deal with. The point I think you are wrong on is TT deciding on the HC hiring. In my experience the decision on hiring (or firing) a HC is the domain of the owner. With J Spanos deeply in the mix of day to day operations, I believe TT's influence with the owner on this type of decision is minimal. Just my view, nothing more......
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 21, 2020 7:38:01 GMT -7
Its not realistic to think Lynn is on any kind of hot seat IMHO... Lynn is 26/23 as a HC with a playoff win and he is a minority coach in a season where the Rooney Rule is seemingly getting ignored. Personally I think there are better coaches out there but I also think all the hate for Lynn is unwarranted. I want to see what he does without PR and I want to see if he can repeat a playoff run. His coaching tree/background is actually very impressive. It could be alot worse guys... I lean towards agreeing with you that Lynn is not on the hot seat, but not for the reasons you state. I think the track record of the Spanos' hiring and firing of HC's implies they keep Lynn regardless of average results. I do not 'hate' Lynn.....I do think he is just an average HC, and will not become a Super Bowl winning HC, so I would move on.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 21, 2020 10:14:36 GMT -7
This mock is actually sounding better and better to me...
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2020 11:00:51 GMT -7
Its not realistic to think Lynn is on any kind of hot seat IMHO... Lynn is 26/23 as a HC with a playoff win and he is a minority coach in a season where the Rooney Rule is seemingly getting ignored. Personally I think there are better coaches out there but I also think all the hate for Lynn is unwarranted. I want to see what he does without PR and I want to see if he can repeat a playoff run. His coaching tree/background is actually very impressive. It could be alot worse guys...4-12 IS worse. Rooney Rule Schmooney Schmule. HA. All of the season ending vacancies have been filled and it looks like teams hired Snow White and the Seven Snowmen. Let's get real here. His ass goes 5-11 again and they won't care if its MLK Day 2021. There's the freakin' door pal.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2020 11:02:09 GMT -7
He being Lynn, yes. TT’s two most important jobs have been hiring a HC (twice) and giving Rivers a good offensive line. McCoy was a failure, Lynn is a question mark but isn’t trending well, and the Oline is, as it’s been throughout his tenure, bad. To address your point though, TT’s evaluation is directly tied to Lynn. If A 2nd TT selected HC fails he shouldn’t be allowed to select a 3rd no matter how well he’s managed the cap etc. This is all rhetorical though. TT is called the GM but who knows how much power he really has. Firing him still leaves the rest of the front office to deal with. The point I think you are wrong on is TT deciding on the HC hiring. In my experience the decision on hiring (or firing) a HC is the domain of the owner. With J Spanos deeply in the mix of day to day operations, I believe TT's influence with the owner on this type of decision is minimal. Just my view, nothing more...... I'll go along with that.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 21, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -7
Its not realistic to think Lynn is on any kind of hot seat IMHO... Lynn is 26/23 as a HC with a playoff win and he is a minority coach in a season where the Rooney Rule is seemingly getting ignored. Personally I think there are better coaches out there but I also think all the hate for Lynn is unwarranted. I want to see what he does without PR and I want to see if he can repeat a playoff run. His coaching tree/background is actually very impressive. It could be alot worse guys...4-12 IS worse. Rooney Rule Schmooney Schmule. HA. All of the season ending vacancies have been filled and it looks like teams hired Snow White and the Seven Snowmen. Let's get real here. His ass goes 5-11 again and they won't care if its MLK Day 2021. There's the freakin' door pal. Brutally accurate.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 21, 2020 11:16:52 GMT -7
He being Lynn, yes. TT’s two most important jobs have been hiring a HC (twice) and giving Rivers a good offensive line. McCoy was a failure, Lynn is a question mark but isn’t trending well, and the Oline is, as it’s been throughout his tenure, bad. To address your point though, TT’s evaluation is directly tied to Lynn. If A 2nd TT selected HC fails he shouldn’t be allowed to select a 3rd no matter how well he’s managed the cap etc. This is all rhetorical though. TT is called the GM but who knows how much power he really has. Firing him still leaves the rest of the front office to deal with. The point I think you are wrong on is TT deciding on the HC hiring. In my experience the decision on hiring (or firing) a HC is the domain of the owner. With J Spanos deeply in the mix of day to day operations, I believe TT's influence with the owner on this type of decision is minimal. Just my view, nothing more...... It was clear that Dean Spanos favored GM AJ's move to cut 14-2 HC Marty.
Different situation, different people. My guess: John & TT collaborate - TT's opinion is important, John rubber stamps the call. I don't see AL as on the hot seat now but 2020 has to look different.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 21, 2020 11:18:37 GMT -7
This mock is actually sounding better and better to me... It’s an intriguing approach. I wouldn’t today oppose the idea of going BPA defense in 1, then BPA offense in 2, and using 3-4 for quality development OL guys. Having a wildly strong and agile defense is a rational way to respond to key offensive strengths in the division/conference. But you still need an O that can score because they’re going to score even with a wildly strong D.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2020 11:25:19 GMT -7
4-12 IS worse. Rooney Rule Schmooney Schmule. HA. All of the season ending vacancies have been filled and it looks like teams hired Snow White and the Seven Snowmen. Let's get real here. His ass goes 5-11 again and they won't care if its MLK Day 2021. There's the freakin' door pal. Brutally accurate. Thank you. Emperorship is more of a dictator thing than a nicey nice thing. noun 1. a sovereign ruler of great power and rank, especially one ruling an empire.
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Post by headtrip on Jan 21, 2020 13:20:51 GMT -7
He being Lynn, yes. TT’s two most important jobs have been hiring a HC (twice) and giving Rivers a good offensive line. McCoy was a failure, Lynn is a question mark but isn’t trending well, and the Oline is, as it’s been throughout his tenure, bad. To address your point though, TT’s evaluation is directly tied to Lynn. If A 2nd TT selected HC fails he shouldn’t be allowed to select a 3rd no matter how well he’s managed the cap etc. This is all rhetorical though. TT is called the GM but who knows how much power he really has. Firing him still leaves the rest of the front office to deal with. No it isn't. The HC might be up the list, but giving Rivers a good oline ?? Everything that goes into GM and that's the most important ? You think Lynn has excelled at coaching an oline ? Has the OC that was fired ?? The oline coach is world class ? I would easily put overall drafting well and managing the Cap as more important. Fixing the QB problem. I think that when assessing the team’s needs over TT’s time as GM hiring a HC and fixing the Oline were more important than cap management and overall drafting. We had one of the all time great QB’s but he couldn’t function as such without a capable Oline. That’s just the nature of an immobile pocket passer. TT played a big role in wasting PR’s considerable talent for years.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2020 13:48:48 GMT -7
No it isn't. The HC might be up the list, but giving Rivers a good oline ?? Everything that goes into GM and that's the most important ? You think Lynn has excelled at coaching an oline ? Has the OC that was fired ?? The oline coach is world class ? I would easily put overall drafting well and managing the Cap as more important. Fixing the QB problem. I think that when assessing the team’s needs over TT’s time as GM hiring a HC and fixing the Oline were more important than cap management and overall drafting. We had one of the all time great QB’s but he couldn’t function as such without a capable Oline. That’s just the nature of an immobile pocket passer. TT played a big role in wasting PR’s considerable talent for years. We agree to disagree, sir.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 21, 2020 13:50:48 GMT -7
No it isn't. The HC might be up the list, but giving Rivers a good oline ?? Everything that goes into GM and that's the most important ? You think Lynn has excelled at coaching an oline ? Has the OC that was fired ?? The oline coach is world class ? I would easily put overall drafting well and managing the Cap as more important. Fixing the QB problem. I think that when assessing the team’s needs over TT’s time as GM hiring a HC and fixing the Oline were more important than cap management and overall drafting. We had one of the all time great QB’s but he couldn’t function as such without a capable Oline. That’s just the nature of an immobile pocket passer. TT played a big role in wasting PR’s considerable talent for years.
Rivers playing macho gunslinger Wild Bill Hickok, sucking hardcore in crunch time of games, and slowly being 94 years old has wasted his considerable talent. Rivers Interceptions 30 TT Interceptions Goose Egg 0
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 21, 2020 13:53:44 GMT -7
I would place the blame more on AJ and Norv... Anything after that is PR's fault for sticking around a mediocre franchise too long.
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Post by headtrip on Jan 21, 2020 15:46:00 GMT -7
I think that when assessing the team’s needs over TT’s time as GM hiring a HC and fixing the Oline were more important than cap management and overall drafting. We had one of the all time great QB’s but he couldn’t function as such without a capable Oline. That’s just the nature of an immobile pocket passer. TT played a big role in wasting PR’s considerable talent for years.
Rivers playing macho gunslinger Wild Bill Hickok, sucking hardcore in crunch time of games, and slowly being 94 years old has wasted his considerable talent. Rivers Interceptions 30 TT Interceptions Goose Egg 0 TT sure fumbled a couple of times trying to pick a head coach though.
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