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Post by joemcrugby on Oct 13, 2020 9:52:43 GMT -7
Marty had issues with big games for a long time before he arrived in SD, and that continued in SD. That’s a problem when you are a coach. I loved Marty, but he melted in the big moments. His record during the playoffs was a concern, but then again look at the league. The Patriots built their dynasty at that time... We truly never gave Marty a chance, AJ failed this team more than anyone in the history of the organization (besides Spanos). Do you fire Kyle Shannahan because he loses Superbowls? No, he gets you to Superbowls. The Redskins never gave Marty a shot when he coached a single season and went 8-8 after an 0-5 start. I was hot and never forgave The Daniel. The Chargers gave him 5 seasons. And 5-13 is more than a concern: it’s a pattern, especially when you looked at his and his team’s in-game meltdowns |
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Post by totallybolted on Oct 13, 2020 10:20:21 GMT -7
LOL and when we had him they fired him after going 14-2 Marty had issues with big games for a long time before he arrived in SD, and that continued in SD. That’s a problem when you are a coach. I loved Marty, but he melted in the big moments. i totally get that. my comment was meant to just focus on the irony. That 4 and 11 play completely changed my level of support for marty. I didn't want to believe he lost all sense of what got him there.
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Post by totallybolted on Oct 13, 2020 10:25:47 GMT -7
Marty had issues with big games for a long time before he arrived in SD, and that continued in SD. That’s a problem when you are a coach. I loved Marty, but he melted in the big moments. His record during the playoffs was a concern, but then again look at the league. The Patriots built their dynasty at that time... We truly never gave Marty a chance, AJ failed this team more than anyone in the history of the organization (besides Spanos). Do you fire Kyle Shannahan because he loses Superbowls? No, he gets you to Superbowls. AJ? I really liked him until he held Gates out vs Dallas for the season opener. The bolts lost that game and missed the playoffs that year by 1 game. Initially AJ was good, but his treatment of players and then his over reaches late to save what had gotten away (some from injuries) made matters worse. The struggle for absolute control vs Marty was wrong to me as well.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 13, 2020 11:04:20 GMT -7
His record during the playoffs was a concern, but then again look at the league. The Patriots built their dynasty at that time... We truly never gave Marty a chance, AJ failed this team more than anyone in the history of the organization (besides Spanos). Do you fire Kyle Shannahan because he loses Superbowls? No, he gets you to Superbowls. The Redskins never gave Marty a shot when he coached a single season and went 8-8 after an 0-5 start. I was hot and never forgave The Daniel. The Chargers gave him 5 seasons. And 5-13 is more than a concern: it’s a pattern, especially when you looked at his and his team’s in-game meltdowns And look where we are now Joe... I didn't mean to start an argument about Marty, simply put IMHO he was the last coach we've had with a history of winning games on a consistent basis. You can argue till the cows come home that Marty failed in the playoffs... Well every Charger coach after him has failed as well. Personally I would have stuck with him over Norv Turner... McCoy and now Lynn were/are crap shoots that have/are not turning out well either. It is a pattern that I'm tired of...
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 13, 2020 11:41:10 GMT -7
Here in the present:
- The coaching staff is unacceptably bad and lacks football intelligence, strategic planning and tactical analysis skills, and adaptability (which we knew and identified last season, and which has not changed since)
- The players lack motivation, discipline, and self-leadership to finish games and execute at a high level for all phases and quarters
- The offensive line is offensively bad (which we knew and identified last season, and which has not changed since)
- The consistent injuries might indicate a strength and conditioning issue and/or that players who are less durable are being acquired, or it could be just bad luck not inconsistent with the rest of the NFL
The Chargers will continue to be *this* until there is a leadership and culture change, notwithstanding the talent on the roster.
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Post by joemcrugby on Oct 13, 2020 12:21:27 GMT -7
The Redskins never gave Marty a shot when he coached a single season and went 8-8 after an 0-5 start. I was hot and never forgave The Daniel. The Chargers gave him 5 seasons. And 5-13 is more than a concern: it’s a pattern, especially when you looked at his and his team’s in-game meltdowns And look where we are now Joe... I didn't mean to start an argument about Marty, simply put IMHO he was the last coach we've had with a history of winning games on a consistent basis. You can argue till the cows come home that Marty failed in the playoffs... Well every Charger coach after him has failed as well. Personally I would have stuck with him over Norv Turner... McCoy and now Lynn were/are crap shoots that have/are not turning out well either. It is a pattern that I'm tired of... Turner had an equal regular season record to Marty and Bobby Ross. And other than the Nate Kaeding meltdown in 2009, the Chargers played much better in the playoffs under Turner than Marty. Unfortunately, the franchise bled talent after the 2006 draft and continuously drifted toward mediocrity in the latter half of Turner’s tenure. The Chargers need a head coach who can get them across the finish line in close games, and they need to get to a point where over half of the starting lineup isn’t on the sideline due to injuries 5 weeks into the season. |
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Post by moekid on Oct 13, 2020 12:25:27 GMT -7
Marty had issues with big games for a long time before he arrived in SD, and that continued in SD. That’s a problem when you are a coach. I loved Marty, but he melted in the big moments. His record during the playoffs was a concern, but then again look at the league. The Patriots built their dynasty at that time... We truly never gave Marty a chance, AJ failed this team more than anyone in the history of the organization (besides Spanos). Do you fire Kyle Shannahan because he loses Superbowls? No, he gets you to Superbowls. Yeah, I’d prefer to take my chances in big moments rather than never get to big moments. |
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Post by moekid on Oct 13, 2020 12:30:36 GMT -7
And look where we are now Joe... I didn't mean to start an argument about Marty, simply put IMHO he was the last coach we've had with a history of winning games on a consistent basis. You can argue till the cows come home that Marty failed in the playoffs... Well every Charger coach after him has failed as well. Personally I would have stuck with him over Norv Turner... McCoy and now Lynn were/are crap shoots that have/are not turning out well either. It is a pattern that I'm tired of... Turner had an equal regular season record to Marty and Bobby Ross. And other than the Nate Kaeding meltdown in 2009, the Chargers played much better in the playoffs under Turner than Marty. Unfortunately, the franchise bled talent after the 2006 draft and continuously drifted toward mediocrity in the latter half of Turner’s tenure. The Chargers need a head coach who can get them across the finish line in close games, and they need to get to a point where over half of the starting lineup isn’t on the sideline due to injuries 5 weeks into the season. Only on the Chargers and Norv was handed a playoff, maybe championship caliber, roster with the Chargers. He never duplicated that success. Marty and Ross both built the Chargers from losers to winners so it’s not apples to apples. |
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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Oct 13, 2020 14:30:33 GMT -7
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Post by marionbutts on Oct 13, 2020 16:01:26 GMT -7
Did we hire Marty back?
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Post by moekid on Oct 13, 2020 17:24:01 GMT -7
Shit man, where the hell ya been? |
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Post by marionbutts on Oct 13, 2020 18:35:36 GMT -7
Shit man, where the hell ya been? I got lost. I’m back now.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 13, 2020 18:46:18 GMT -7
Shit man, where the hell ya been? I got lost. I’m back now.
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Post by moekid on Oct 13, 2020 20:58:26 GMT -7
Shit man, where the hell ya been? I got lost. I’m back now. Justin time |
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 14, 2020 3:21:28 GMT -7
if it wasn't for bad luck the chargers would have no luck at all. maybe they should stop buying glass. Even with the the injury loses, the bolts are competing with every team down to the wire. Esp the really good teams. So I get that is a moral victory, but it says the team has the talent and the depth we have all wanted for so long. somehow, it has to break through The plan wasn't to have good depth so we could make them play all the time !!
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