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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 15, 2020 8:39:12 GMT -7
Herbert has been playing well and has looked far better than I thought pre-draft! In addition to the rookie learning curve and rookie mistakes that are inevitable, I think he's been disadvantaged by some unimaginative pay calling, head coaching, injuries to STARTERS and terrible O-line blocking. So I thought I'd suggest some plays that may be helpful for the him to run more often- - Quick slants. Is this not an unstoppable pass play that gets 5-6 yards if stopped immediately and could go for way more if a tackle is broken?
- The back shoulder throw to a receiver down the sideline. Unstoppable, and could be a nice medium gain of 10-20 yards.
- Naked bootleg. I'd like to see Herbert's athleticism and mobility used more, and this play could be a huge winner after setting up a defense with our typical run plays to the side that get minimal yards, and the surprise! Herbert keeps it and is ten yards downfield before the defense catches him.
Anybody else want to weigh in on my three plays above, or with some suggestions of your own? It's something fun to do during a bye week.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 15, 2020 9:24:38 GMT -7
I still don't know what kind of hands Joshua Kelley has... I'd like to see him get more short throws. Henry needs more involvement as well.
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Post by sonorajim on Oct 15, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -7
Ekeler was huge as an outlet rec. I'd like to see more from Nabers, Green, Henry, Parham, Jackson, Kelley doing a block & release to a soft zone for the quick outlet reception & run.
We somebody who can stick a chip, make the catch & run once in a while 'till Ek is healthy.
The plays I saw recently, the RB was too shallow and well covered.
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Post by totallybolted on Oct 15, 2020 11:49:59 GMT -7
I'm thinking screen passes EVERY pass play. That way Herbert won't need to hold the ball long enough to get killed.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 16, 2020 2:35:15 GMT -7
I still don't know what kind of hands Joshua Kelley has... I'd like to see him get more short throws. Henry needs more involvement as well. Because he does not get more short throws actually tells you what kind of hands he has............
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 16, 2020 5:53:56 GMT -7
I still don't know what kind of hands Joshua Kelley has... I'd like to see him get more short throws. Henry needs more involvement as well. Because he does not get more short throws actually tells you what kind of hands he has............ I actually thought that after I posted. He does have that one fumble as well... But if that's the case and he is not a receiving threat then wtf is going on? Did they really put all their eggs in the Ekeler basket?
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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 16, 2020 7:14:17 GMT -7
I'm thinking screen passes EVERY pass play. That way Herbert won't need to hold the ball long enough to get killed. A well-timed screen pass can be a huge play! But often enough defenses are so familiar that it doesn't go anywhere. However, there are some pretty creative screen plays that we should try beyond the standard lob to the RB- like a middle screen, or a TE screen or a WR screen (which may be my best 4th and 1 call). I've seen some pretty fancy screen plays that some OCs have drawn up, and while not a guaranteed success they've more often than not surprised (or confused?) the defense for a nice gain.
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Post by totallybolted on Oct 16, 2020 9:26:33 GMT -7
I'm thinking screen passes EVERY pass play. That way Herbert won't need to hold the ball long enough to get killed. A well-timed screen pass can be a huge play! But often enough defenses are so familiar that it doesn't go anywhere. However, there are some pretty creative screen plays that we should try beyond the standard lob to the RB- like a middle screen, or a TE screen or a WR screen (which may be my best 4th and 1 call). I've seen some pretty fancy screen plays that some OCs have drawn up, and while not a guaranteed success they've more often than not surprised (or confused?) the defense for a nice gain. its a good play to keep Defenses from blitzing and playing the pass every play pinning their ears back. I thought that would have been done more often in the NO game since they were blowing up the OL esp on the ends
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 16, 2020 11:10:35 GMT -7
A well-timed screen pass can be a huge play! But often enough defenses are so familiar that it doesn't go anywhere. However, there are some pretty creative screen plays that we should try beyond the standard lob to the RB- like a middle screen, or a TE screen or a WR screen (which may be my best 4th and 1 call). I've seen some pretty fancy screen plays that some OCs have drawn up, and while not a guaranteed success they've more often than not surprised (or confused?) the defense for a nice gain. its a good play to keep Defenses from blitzing and playing the pass every play pinning their ears back. I thought that would have been done more often in the NO game since they were blowing up the OL esp on the ends You would think so, but then, the uninspired coaching wouldn’t dare to fire the neurons necessary to direct such. |
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Post by lazylightning on Oct 16, 2020 11:11:12 GMT -7
Herbert has been playing well and has looked far better than I thought pre-draft! In addition to the rookie learning curve and rookie mistakes that are inevitable, I think he's been disadvantaged by some unimaginative pay calling, head coaching, injuries to STARTERS and terrible O-line blocking. Not trying to derail a good thread here, but the offense has been on fire for the first half of Herbert's four games. If it was unimaginative play calling then the Bolts would be shut down early. What I am wondering is if the coaching staff cannot make half time adjustments, or is Herbert so new that he only has a minimal playbook that has been practiced.
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Post by lightsout42 on Oct 16, 2020 11:18:32 GMT -7
Herbert has been playing well and has looked far better than I thought pre-draft! In addition to the rookie learning curve and rookie mistakes that are inevitable, I think he's been disadvantaged by some unimaginative pay calling, head coaching, injuries to STARTERS and terrible O-line blocking. Not trying to derail a good thread here, but the offense has been on fire for the first half of Herbert's four games. If it was unimaginative play calling then the Bolts would be shut down early. What I am wondering is if the coaching staff cannot make half time adjustments, or is Herbert so new that he only has a minimal playbook that has been practiced. Halftime adjustments have been a problem on both sides of the ball throughout the Lynn era. |
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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 16, 2020 18:48:33 GMT -7
Herbert has been playing well and has looked far better than I thought pre-draft! In addition to the rookie learning curve and rookie mistakes that are inevitable, I think he's been disadvantaged by some unimaginative pay calling, head coaching, injuries to STARTERS and terrible O-line blocking. Not trying to derail a good thread here, but the offense has been on fire for the first half of Herbert's four games. If it was unimaginative play calling then the Bolts would be shut down early. What I am wondering is if the coaching staff cannot make half time adjustments, or is Herbert so new that he only has a minimal playbook that has been practiced. We're seeing the same thing, LL. First things first- our halftime adjustments have been horrible and LITERALLY lost the last two games for us. My intentions for the phrase "unimaginative play calling" weren't to imply we haven't been doing some things well offensively, but mainly that the playcalling has often put Herbert and the offense in some tough spots that sometimes were bailed out by a great play. I'd like to see us be less predictable on early downs, but to also use certain plays that may give us a better success rate. So I listed a few that I think are ideal for Herbert- especially behind the current oline without three starters- and wanted to brainstorm with the CMB on other plays that would be good for our team.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 17, 2020 1:48:24 GMT -7
Herbert has been playing well and has looked far better than I thought pre-draft! In addition to the rookie learning curve and rookie mistakes that are inevitable, I think he's been disadvantaged by some unimaginative pay calling, head coaching, injuries to STARTERS and terrible O-line blocking. Not trying to derail a good thread here, but the offense has been on fire for the first half of Herbert's four games. If it was unimaginative play calling then the Bolts would be shut down early. What I am wondering is if the coaching staff cannot make half time adjustments, or is Herbert so new that he only has a minimal playbook that has been practiced. You don't have to wonder.
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Post by jwr10x on Oct 17, 2020 11:20:08 GMT -7
Not trying to derail a good thread here, but the offense has been on fire for the first half of Herbert's four games. If it was unimaginative play calling then the Bolts would be shut down early. What I am wondering is if the coaching staff cannot make half time adjustments, or is Herbert so new that he only has a minimal playbook that has been practiced. Halftime adjustments have been a problem on both sides of the ball throughout the Lynn era. Lynn's halftime adjustment is to put away 3/4 of the playbook , run 3 times then punt.
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