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Post by frozendisc on Dec 24, 2020 8:13:09 GMT -7
I really wish Turner had worked out, I thought that was such a great trade at the time. Turner and Bulaga have both been injury riddled mistakes......and clear ramifications of draft failure with OL picks.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 24, 2020 9:25:29 GMT -7
I really wish Turner had worked out, I thought that was such a great trade at the time. Turner and Bulaga have both been injury riddled mistakes......and clear ramifications of draft failure with OL picks. Yea for sure... I knew Bulaga was going to be trash, wasn't happy with that signing. Turner, Bulaga, and Pouncey can all go kick rocks.
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Post by moekid on Dec 24, 2020 10:03:50 GMT -7
Turner and Bulaga have both been injury riddled mistakes......and clear ramifications of draft failure with OL picks. Yea for sure... I knew Bulaga was going to be trash, wasn't happy with that signing. Turner, Bulaga, and Pouncey can all go kick rocks. In the last couple of games Turner has shown value. He brings a toughness to the position we haven’t had since Dielman. Bulaga is too soft. Pouncey fleeced the Chargers when he extended on a “team friendly” deal probably knowing he wasn’t healthy enough to go
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Post by moekid on Dec 24, 2020 10:06:01 GMT -7
I said going into the season that we were thin at RB. Ekeler is not a bell cow every down back. He just isn’t. JJ is too injury prone. Kelly is just ok. We still need that guy. We’ve gone from LT to Mathews, Gordon and .....
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 24, 2020 13:30:58 GMT -7
I said going into the season that we were thin at RB. Ekeler is not a bell cow every down back. He just isn’t. JJ is too injury prone. Kelly is just ok. We still need that guy. We’ve gone from LT to Mathews, Gordon and ..... agreed... I really like Ekeler but he is not a feature back. TT should have done more to keep Gordon, I think Gordon was more of a Lynn type of RB. Not to say Lynn would be a better coach with Gordon, but I do think we would have won more games.
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Post by cthommes on Dec 24, 2020 15:26:32 GMT -7
I said going into the season that we were thin at RB. Ekeler is not a bell cow every down back. He just isn’t. JJ is too injury prone. Kelly is just ok. We still need that guy. We’ve gone from LT to Mathews, Gordon and ..... agreed... I really like Ekeler but he is not a feature back. TT should have done more to keep Gordon, I think Gordon was more of a Lynn type of RB. Not to say Lynn would be a better coach with Gordon, but I do think we would have won more games. TT should have done more than offer more money than Gordon took elsewhere?
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 24, 2020 16:33:04 GMT -7
agreed... I really like Ekeler but he is not a feature back. TT should have done more to keep Gordon, I think Gordon was more of a Lynn type of RB. Not to say Lynn would be a better coach with Gordon, but I do think we would have won more games. TT should have done more than offer more money than Gordon took elsewhere? I know sounds crazy... Not saying its not MG's fault, but I'm sure something could have been done.
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Post by lazylightning on Dec 24, 2020 17:05:12 GMT -7
TT should have done more than offer more money than Gordon took elsewhere? I know sounds crazy... Not saying its not MG's fault, but I'm sure something could have been done. IMO, MG burned his bridge when he held out. He ended up settling for less that TT's offer if I remember correctly.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 24, 2020 20:06:07 GMT -7
They need to draft well for 3 seasons and spend wisely. There’s no shortcuts here.
Also: MG is trash.
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Post by boltnut on Dec 25, 2020 1:44:40 GMT -7
Chargers have only 32 players signed for 2021. But, $33.4 million in cap space. www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/Now, if you cut MW in March... and cut Trai Turner... ($27.1 million savings) then you have 30 signed but $60.5 million cap space. In comparison, Jaguars have 42 signed with $84.7 million cap space. On the other end of the spectrum, Falcons have 31 signed and $24 million over the cap. The Eagles and Saints are so astronomically over the cap... it seems mathematically impossible for them to get under. I understand looking at the releasing of players, and the increased cap availability, but that only looks at one side of the equation. Replacing those players that were released is where it gets tricky for the GM. Yes... and, no. There are FA players that will not be re-signed by their teams (because of cap issues). Consider OC Corey Linsley (Packers). Packers are substantially over the cap for next year. Spotrac values Linsley at $8.5 million. IMO the OC position is pretty important... probably more important than OG. If Chargers could sign Linsley in FA, they could cut Turner ($11.5 mil) and save themselves $3 million in the process. Use that savings to apply to another FA (say, Ethan Pocic... Seahawks).
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 25, 2020 7:15:49 GMT -7
They need to draft well for 3 seasons and spend wisely. There’s no shortcuts here. Also: MG is trash. Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage.
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Post by moekid on Dec 25, 2020 8:03:48 GMT -7
They need to draft well for 3 seasons and spend wisely. There’s no shortcuts here. Also: MG is trash. Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage. Yep and Kareem Hunt and L’Veon Bell are even better
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 25, 2020 8:33:01 GMT -7
I understand looking at the releasing of players, and the increased cap availability, but that only looks at one side of the equation. Replacing those players that were released is where it gets tricky for the GM. Yes... and, no. There are FA players that will not be re-signed by their teams (because of cap issues). Consider OC Corey Linsley (Packers). Packers are substantially over the cap for next year. Spotrac values Linsley at $8.5 million. IMO the OC position is pretty important... probably more important than OG. If Chargers could sign Linsley in FA, they could cut Turner ($11.5 mil) and save themselves $3 million in the process. Use that savings to apply to another FA (say, Ethan Pocic... Seahawks). It seems as if the quality OL players never quite get to become FA's, clubs simply resign them. The cap crunch example you use does happen, but every GM worth his pay knows how to get under the cap. I would imagine the Packers GM is just like you and values the OC position, so lacking a replacement, the GM simply resigns Linsley and shifts the pain caused by the cap to somewhere else in the budget. I could be wrong here, but it seems that in the last ten years, FA buys for OL have not been very good for the Bolts. I would avoid the FA's, and build my OL through the draft, which of course brings us to the biggest draft failings of the TT era.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 25, 2020 8:35:58 GMT -7
They need to draft well for 3 seasons and spend wisely. There’s no shortcuts here. Also: MG is trash. Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage. Every RB being mentioned in this back and forth would suffice if they had top third of the league OL blocking for them. The problem is not the RB's, it is the OL.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 25, 2020 9:00:11 GMT -7
Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage. Yep and Kareem Hunt and L’Veon Bell are even better I still wish we would have gone after Kareem Hunt...
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