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Post by afboltfan on Dec 25, 2020 9:01:57 GMT -7
Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage. Every RB being mentioned in this back and forth would suffice if they had top third of the league OL blocking for them. The problem is not the RB's, it is the OL. And we can't seem to get the oline fixed... Therefore we need a RB that can do well in spite of no blocking. We don't have a RB on this roster that can do that outside of Ekeler. At least MG was good at the goal line.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 25, 2020 9:33:33 GMT -7
Every RB being mentioned in this back and forth would suffice if they had top third of the league OL blocking for them. The problem is not the RB's, it is the OL. And we can't seem to get the oline fixed... Therefore we need a RB that can do well in spite of no blocking. We don't have a RB on this roster that can do that outside of Ekeler. At least MG was good at the goal line. So keep putting a new bandaid on the scratch on your shoulder while you bleed out from the severed leg.......
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 25, 2020 9:57:11 GMT -7
And we can't seem to get the oline fixed... Therefore we need a RB that can do well in spite of no blocking. We don't have a RB on this roster that can do that outside of Ekeler. At least MG was good at the goal line. So keep putting a new bandaid on the scratch on your shoulder while you bleed out from the severed leg....... that is not what he is saying. You make your OL better with a good RB. The better the RB the better the OL. It is symbiotic. LT did that when he first came. he made that OL better. It helps. Its not the fix but it helps.
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Post by boltnut on Dec 25, 2020 10:17:15 GMT -7
Yes... and, no. There are FA players that will not be re-signed by their teams (because of cap issues). Consider OC Corey Linsley (Packers). Packers are substantially over the cap for next year. Spotrac values Linsley at $8.5 million. IMO the OC position is pretty important... probably more important than OG. If Chargers could sign Linsley in FA, they could cut Turner ($11.5 mil) and save themselves $3 million in the process. Use that savings to apply to another FA (say, Ethan Pocic... Seahawks). It seems as if the quality OL players never quite get to become FA's, clubs simply resign them. The cap crunch example you use does happen, but every GM worth his pay knows how to get under the cap. I would imagine the Packers GM is just like you and values the OC position, so lacking a replacement, the GM simply resigns Linsley and shifts the pain caused by the cap to somewhere else in the budget. I could be wrong here, but it seems that in the last ten years, FA buys for OL have not been very good for the Bolts. I would avoid the FA's, and build my OL through the draft, which of course brings us to the biggest draft failings of the TT era. In normal years, all of this is true. With the reduced cap for next year, some teams will have to move on from some players they value... including OL. Target these teams' FA's: Seahawks, Lions, Titans, Bills, Bears, Raiders, Bears, Texans, Chiefs, Rams, Steelers, Packers, Falcons, Eagles, Saints. All of these teams are either way over next year's cap or don't have enough to re-sign their FA's that are due pay increases. They could restructure some contracts. But in many cases, that's what got them in trouble in the first place (Saints, Eagles). overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 25, 2020 10:28:24 GMT -7
It seems as if the quality OL players never quite get to become FA's, clubs simply resign them. The cap crunch example you use does happen, but every GM worth his pay knows how to get under the cap. I would imagine the Packers GM is just like you and values the OC position, so lacking a replacement, the GM simply resigns Linsley and shifts the pain caused by the cap to somewhere else in the budget. I could be wrong here, but it seems that in the last ten years, FA buys for OL have not been very good for the Bolts. I would avoid the FA's, and build my OL through the draft, which of course brings us to the biggest draft failings of the TT era. In normal years, all of this is true. With the reduced cap for next year, some teams will have to move on from some players they value... including OL. Target these teams' FA's: Seahawks, Lions, Titans, Bills, Bears, Raiders, Bears, Texans, Chiefs, Rams, Steelers, Packers, Falcons, Eagles, Saints. All of these teams are either way over next year's cap or don't have enough to re-sign their FA's that are due pay increases. They could restructure some contracts. But in many cases, that's what got them in trouble in the first place (Saints, Eagles). overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ We have been dealing with the ramifications of a flat cap, and trust me there have been plenty of agent crying about the offer they are seeing. It is simple, in the end the player is getting less money. You will see this in NFL as well I believe. In my view, I would want the higher talent possible in OL players, so I would prioritize resigning my OL that I felt worth it, and take the hit forced by cap somewhere else. It has been true in past, and will continue so, buyer be very aware with OL players specifically and FA's in general. We have all seen the highly talented skill players with poorly talented OL players scheme, it simply doesn't work, and is complete failure in PO's. Time to get some highly talented OL players, even if it means less talent in the skill positioned players.
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Post by boltnut on Dec 25, 2020 10:28:28 GMT -7
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Post by boltnut on Dec 25, 2020 11:10:40 GMT -7
Normally, I promote drafting OL early and often. I don't like bringing in FA's and overpaying for them (Franklin, Okung, Pouncey, Turner, Bulaga). However, we're looking at re-signing FA OL that haven't panned out (Tevi, Lamp, Freeney, Groy, Toner).
How many do you bring back? How much do they cost relative to other FA's? How many draft picks do you commit to OL? How long does it take for them to develop?
IMO, I bring back Lamp. Tevi plays a position I just want more talent at (OT). Freeney has had time to develop and just hasn't shown enough improvement at a position that is just too important to the whole OL (center). If Freeney were a cheap re-sign, keep him as OC depth (back-up).
I'd go get a FA center first. This would be my only "big money" sign. I prefer Corey Linsley because he's from a team that will have a hard time re-signing (cap issues) and has familiarity with scheme (Campen).
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Post by moekid on Dec 25, 2020 12:52:39 GMT -7
Maybe so, but he is better than Kelley, JJ, and Pope/Ballage. Every RB being mentioned in this back and forth would suffice if they had top third of the league OL blocking for them. The problem is not the RB's, it is the OL. False
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Post by moekid on Dec 25, 2020 12:53:05 GMT -7
Yep and Kareem Hunt and L’Veon Bell are even better I still wish we would have gone after Kareem Hunt... #metoo
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 25, 2020 14:17:51 GMT -7
I don’t see them releasing Turner or Bulaga. I could see them going after an OC in FA and re-signing Lamp at the right price. Similarly I don’t see them moving on from both Hayward and CHJ. Maybe one of them, depending on cap hit and what else they can draft or bring in. If they trim all of the fat they won’t have anything left.
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Post by sonorajim on Dec 25, 2020 14:43:17 GMT -7
Draft OL. FAs or pick OL are difficult to get quality results from. At least picks are cheaper.
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Post by moekid on Dec 25, 2020 14:56:13 GMT -7
I don’t see them releasing Turner or Bulaga. I could see them going after an OC in FA and re-signing Lamp at the right price. Similarly I don’t see them moving on from both Hayward and CHJ. Maybe one of them, depending on cap hit and what else they can draft or bring in. If they trim all of the fat they won’t have anything left. Landon Dickerson is our man. Beast of a center plus he’s been injured a couple of times in college. Perfect for us
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 25, 2020 16:40:22 GMT -7
Normally, I promote drafting OL early and often. I don't like bringing in FA's and overpaying for them (Franklin, Okung, Pouncey, Turner, Bulaga). However, we're looking at re-signing FA OL that haven't panned out (Tevi, Lamp, Freeney, Groy, Toner). How many do you bring back? How much do they cost relative to other FA's? How many draft picks do you commit to OL? How long does it take for them to develop? IMO, I bring back Lamp. Tevi plays a position I just want more talent at (OT). Freeney has had time to develop and just hasn't shown enough improvement at a position that is just too important to the whole OL (center). If Freeney were a cheap re-sign, keep him as OC depth (back-up). I'd go get a FA center first. This would be my only "big money" sign. I prefer Corey Linsley because he's from a team that will have a hard time re-signing (cap issues) and has familiarity with scheme (Campen). This is why I feel we just can't flirt with other positions in the first round... It has to be oline, #1 priority. We are essentially in the same position we were when TT was first hired. And thats bad...
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Post by boltnut on Dec 25, 2020 20:17:13 GMT -7
I don’t see them releasing Turner or Bulaga. I could see them going after an OC in FA and re-signing Lamp at the right price. Similarly I don’t see them moving on from both Hayward and CHJ. Maybe one of them, depending on cap hit and what else they can draft or bring in. If they trim all of the fat they won’t have anything left. I don't see them releasing Bulaga either. He would actually cost them cap space. The others (Turner, Hayward, Harris) would save them significant cap space... and none of them played very well this year. Without cutting them, we really don't have much cap space... and a lot of roster spots to fill (21).
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Post by jwr10x on Dec 25, 2020 20:53:59 GMT -7
At this point I think most of the key pieces are already signed except Henry who I am some what on the fence about resigning, Ingram should be allowed to walk and look to the draft for his replacement. TE could also be a middle round pick up. Most up for resigning are role players and back ups who should not command a lot for next year.
Herbert is the real deal who is able to win despite the coaching staff and play calling. To win in the future enough to make the playoffs next year and beyond he must have an OL he can trust to give him time to make plays so OL has to be the Number 1 priority followed by replacing Ingram on the edge rush. Derwin should be back next year and stabilize the back end of the D.
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