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Post by thannah40 on Nov 29, 2020 19:35:09 GMT -7
I think it’s time to shake EVERYTHING up.
Not just Lynn
Not just Gus
Telesco needs replaced too.
Nice scenario for a new GM:
Promising young QB. Young Defense with the perennial All Pro Bosa locked up and an offense that has potential.
Bring someone in who knows how to build a team. Someone who can build an Oline and D line. Not someone who just makes good Day One picks
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Post by cthommes on Nov 29, 2020 19:51:48 GMT -7
Heck, at this point I'd be happy with someone who just makes good day 1 picks.
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Post by jwr10x on Nov 29, 2020 20:40:55 GMT -7
I would love to see another GM come in that will actually fix holes that even us fans here on a message board can identify.
Problem I see is that they would NEVER HIRE someone to that position that would have the freedom to make the changes.
John Spanos will never give up final say on personal so we will end up with another "yes man" who will not fight for their vision.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 30, 2020 4:02:39 GMT -7
Heck, at this point I'd be happy with someone who just makes good day 1 picks. Telesco has made 9 first round picks. 1 was bad, jury is still out on two of them, that leaves 6 good picks that we know of. Verrett was glass, and that's not entirely forseeable. I would have passed because of his size, but still. DJ Fluker was bad, and Tillery and Murray need time to play out for a judgement. Tillery was a late first round, so you get some leeway there. I would keep Telesco. Picking a bad QB in the first can cost you your job. Hitting on it can keep it too.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 30, 2020 9:05:38 GMT -7
Heck, at this point I'd be happy with someone who just makes good day 1 picks. Telesco has made 9 first round picks. 1 was bad, jury is still out on two of them, that leaves 6 good picks that we know of. Verrett was glass, and that's not entirely forseeable. I would have passed because of his size, but still. DJ Fluker was bad, and Tillery and Murray need time to play out for a judgement. Tillery was a late first round, so you get some leeway there. I would keep Telesco. Picking a bad QB in the first can cost you your job. Hitting on it can keep it too. Fluker and Verrett were bad, MGIII was just mismanaged... MW doesn't play up to his draft position and DJ is never on the field. Since 2013 we have just a single 1st round pick that is paying off and that's Bosa. Too early for Tillery, but he looks to be improving.
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Post by thannah40 on Nov 30, 2020 19:37:47 GMT -7
Telesco has made 9 first round picks. 1 was bad, jury is still out on two of them, that leaves 6 good picks that we know of. Verrett was glass, and that's not entirely forseeable. I would have passed because of his size, but still. DJ Fluker was bad, and Tillery and Murray need time to play out for a judgement. Tillery was a late first round, so you get some leeway there. I would keep Telesco. Picking a bad QB in the first can cost you your job. Hitting on it can keep it too. Fluker and Verrett were bad, MGIII was just mismanaged... MW doesn't play up to his draft position and DJ is never on the field. Since 2013 we have just a single 1st round pick that is paying off and that's Bosa. Too early for Tillery, but he looks to be improving. spot on. TT gets “pass” for some reason and he hasn’t done anything of significance to build a team. Again, we are talking about picks he’s made on day one of the draft. Those are easy and to this post, only one has panned out. Again, this year, he’s brought in offensive linemen that are past their prime. No real depth at that position at all and the same for the defensive line. Why not start from scratch with this team? Start fresh from the GM down to the coaches. I’m tired of the same crap every year. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 30, 2020 20:34:52 GMT -7
Fluker and Verrett were bad, MGIII was just mismanaged... MW doesn't play up to his draft position and DJ is never on the field. Since 2013 we have just a single 1st round pick that is paying off and that's Bosa. Too early for Tillery, but he looks to be improving. spot on. TT gets “pass” for some reason and he hasn’t done anything of significance to build a team. Again, we are talking about picks he’s made on day one of the draft. Those are easy and to this post, only one has panned out. Again, this year, he’s brought in offensive linemen that are past their prime. No real depth at that position at all and the same for the defensive line. Why not start from scratch with this team? Start fresh from the GM down to the coaches. I’m tired of the same crap every year. You are angry and I get that. But TT may not be the real GM. And even if he is, he hasn’t done bad enough to fire him unless you have a better replacement. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 1, 2020 3:25:53 GMT -7
Telesco has made 9 first round picks. 1 was bad, jury is still out on two of them, that leaves 6 good picks that we know of. Verrett was glass, and that's not entirely forseeable. I would have passed because of his size, but still. DJ Fluker was bad, and Tillery and Murray need time to play out for a judgement. Tillery was a late first round, so you get some leeway there. I would keep Telesco. Picking a bad QB in the first can cost you your job. Hitting on it can keep it too. Fluker and Verrett were bad, MGIII was just mismanaged... MW doesn't play up to his draft position and DJ is never on the field. Since 2013 we have just a single 1st round pick that is paying off and that's Bosa. Too early for Tillery, but he looks to be improving. Justin Herbert. MGIII. Bosa. We can't rule on Tillery and Murray yet. Derwin James getting hurt isn't on Telesco. LOL
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 1, 2020 7:15:55 GMT -7
Fluker and Verrett were bad, MGIII was just mismanaged... MW doesn't play up to his draft position and DJ is never on the field. Since 2013 we have just a single 1st round pick that is paying off and that's Bosa. Too early for Tillery, but he looks to be improving. Justin Herbert. MGIII. Bosa. We can't rule on Tillery and Murray yet. Derwin James getting hurt isn't on Telesco. LOL MGIII is no longer on the team and that was a dumpster fire that didn't have to happen. I don't fault TT 100% for the MGIII drama, but if they wanted him they would have found a way and not let it get to the point it did. Now we need RB depth and we don't have it... MGIII is not doing so bad in Denver... Herbert is a rookie and was an obvious pick if QB was their priority... Defending TT based off Herbert is reaching big time. We're talking history here... TT's history is shaky at best. But I agree with you guys, there are def worse options out there and we do have a somewhat talented team. Coaching is the real issue and always has been.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 1, 2020 8:13:49 GMT -7
Justin Herbert. MGIII. Bosa. We can't rule on Tillery and Murray yet. Derwin James getting hurt isn't on Telesco. LOL MGIII is no longer on the team and that was a dumpster fire that didn't have to happen. I don't fault TT 100% for the MGIII drama, but if they wanted him they would have found a way and not let it get to the point it did. Now we need RB depth and we don't have it... MGIII is not doing so bad in Denver... Herbert is a rookie and was an obvious pick if QB was their priority... Defending TT based off Herbert is reaching big time. We're talking history here... TT's history is shaky at best. But I agree with you guys, there are def worse options out there and we do have a somewhat talented team. Coaching is the real issue and always has been. Spare me the MG revisionist history.....MG was offered 10 mil/yr, passed on it. TT recognized the need, was willing to over pay, but was rebuffed. Drafting has always been somewhat suspect when talking Bolts. To me, it felt as if there were two separate strategies being employed simultaneously, almost a competing visions. I ascribe this to having J Spanos in the mix, and a GM in TT.....cannot prove it, but suspect it. TT has done a very nice job overall, and there is little to justify his firing other than a seeking change for the sake of change. I just do not see that happening. Coaching is a really big issue, and that should get addressed by season conclusion. Fixing the OL is the challenge, and a very difficult challenge apparently.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 1, 2020 9:09:20 GMT -7
MGIII is no longer on the team and that was a dumpster fire that didn't have to happen. I don't fault TT 100% for the MGIII drama, but if they wanted him they would have found a way and not let it get to the point it did. Now we need RB depth and we don't have it... MGIII is not doing so bad in Denver... Herbert is a rookie and was an obvious pick if QB was their priority... Defending TT based off Herbert is reaching big time. We're talking history here... TT's history is shaky at best. But I agree with you guys, there are def worse options out there and we do have a somewhat talented team. Coaching is the real issue and always has been. Spare me the MG revisionist history.....MG was offered 10 mil/yr, passed on it. TT recognized the need, was willing to over pay, but was rebuffed. Drafting has always been somewhat suspect when talking Bolts. To me, it felt as if there were two separate strategies being employed simultaneously, almost a competing visions. I ascribe this to having J Spanos in the mix, and a GM in TT.....cannot prove it, but suspect it. TT has done a very nice job overall, and there is little to justify his firing other than a seeking change for the sake of change. I just do not see that happening. Coaching is a really big issue, and that should get addressed by season conclusion. Fixing the OL is the challenge, and a very difficult challenge apparently. I'll spare you the MG "revisionist" history if you spare me your J Spanos conspiracy theories... TT is average at best and is only "good" at drafting players made of glass. The extensive injury history of this team since 2013 is nothing but factual and is indefensible. I will however concede (again) that, TT is probably the best this team under current ownership will ever be able to hire... Its not like other clubs are knocking down TT's door trying to steal him away. Coaching is the biggest issue right now without question...
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 1, 2020 9:46:54 GMT -7
Spare me the MG revisionist history.....MG was offered 10 mil/yr, passed on it. TT recognized the need, was willing to over pay, but was rebuffed. Drafting has always been somewhat suspect when talking Bolts. To me, it felt as if there were two separate strategies being employed simultaneously, almost a competing visions. I ascribe this to having J Spanos in the mix, and a GM in TT.....cannot prove it, but suspect it. TT has done a very nice job overall, and there is little to justify his firing other than a seeking change for the sake of change. I just do not see that happening. Coaching is a really big issue, and that should get addressed by season conclusion. Fixing the OL is the challenge, and a very difficult challenge apparently. I'll spare you the MG "revisionist" history if you spare me your J Spanos conspiracy theories... TT is average at best and is only "good" at drafting players made of glass. The extensive injury history of this team since 2013 is nothing but factual and is indefensible. I will however concede (again) that, TT is probably the best this team under current ownership will ever be able to hire... Its not like other clubs are knocking down TT's door trying to steal him away. Coaching is the biggest issue right now without question... I don't consider it any type of conspiracy, more just wondering how much influence (good or bad) is being injected into the draft decisions. MG signed for much less than he could have, that seems like an error, but maybe he just wanted out. Blaming the draft decision makers for injuries that happen to drafted players is ridiculous. Even Bosa has had his injuries, simply part of the business. I would suggest that every club has injury issues each and every year. Obviously there is the club with the least, and the club with the most, each and every year. If the Bolts have the most every year, there is a problem. My guess is they do not, even just looking at the last seven seasons.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 1, 2020 9:57:27 GMT -7
MGIII is no longer on the team and that was a dumpster fire that didn't have to happen. I don't fault TT 100% for the MGIII drama, but if they wanted him they would have found a way and not let it get to the point it did. Now we need RB depth and we don't have it... MGIII is not doing so bad in Denver... Herbert is a rookie and was an obvious pick if QB was their priority... Defending TT based off Herbert is reaching big time. We're talking history here... TT's history is shaky at best. But I agree with you guys, there are def worse options out there and we do have a somewhat talented team. Coaching is the real issue and always has been. Spare me the MG revisionist history.....MG was offered 10 mil/yr, passed on it. TT recognized the need, was willing to over pay, but was rebuffed. Drafting has always been somewhat suspect when talking Bolts. To me, it felt as if there were two separate strategies being employed simultaneously, almost a competing visions. I ascribe this to having J Spanos in the mix, and a GM in TT.....cannot prove it, but suspect it. TT has done a very nice job overall, and there is little to justify his firing other than a seeking change for the sake of change. I just do not see that happening. Coaching is a really big issue, and that should get addressed by season conclusion. Fixing the OL is the challenge, and a very difficult challenge apparently. I think you may well be right about the competing visions. That theory certainly fits the facts. Either that or both John Spanos and TT are incoherent. Possible but less likely. |
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 1, 2020 10:12:28 GMT -7
I'll spare you the MG "revisionist" history if you spare me your J Spanos conspiracy theories... TT is average at best and is only "good" at drafting players made of glass. The extensive injury history of this team since 2013 is nothing but factual and is indefensible. I will however concede (again) that, TT is probably the best this team under current ownership will ever be able to hire... Its not like other clubs are knocking down TT's door trying to steal him away. Coaching is the biggest issue right now without question... I don't consider it any type of conspiracy, more just wondering how much influence (good or bad) is being injected into the draft decisions. MG signed for much less than he could have, that seems like an error, but maybe he just wanted out. Blaming the draft decision makers for injuries that happen to drafted players is ridiculous. Even Bosa has had his injuries, simply part of the business. I would suggest that every club has injury issues each and every year. Obviously there is the club with the least, and the club with the most, each and every year. If the Bolts have the most every year, there is a problem. My guess is they do not, even just looking at the last seven seasons. Are you serious right now? Ok then I guess player issues on the field are not Lynn's fault either... Other teams def have injury issues but I don't care about them, our issue is abysmal and consistent year after year. Not only players we draft but players we bring in through free agency.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 1, 2020 19:22:44 GMT -7
I don't consider it any type of conspiracy, more just wondering how much influence (good or bad) is being injected into the draft decisions. MG signed for much less than he could have, that seems like an error, but maybe he just wanted out. Blaming the draft decision makers for injuries that happen to drafted players is ridiculous. Even Bosa has had his injuries, simply part of the business. I would suggest that every club has injury issues each and every year. Obviously there is the club with the least, and the club with the most, each and every year. If the Bolts have the most every year, there is a problem. My guess is they do not, even just looking at the last seven seasons.Are you serious right now? Ok then I guess player issues on the field are not Lynn's fault either... Other teams def have injury issues but I don't care about them, our issue is abysmal and consistent year after year. Not only players we draft but players we bring in through free agency. When you say "player issues on the field" are you speaking to missed assignments, or to losing it and getting into fights, or just not having the talent to accomplish the task in any given play? Clearly the first two are items that fall directly into Lynn's area of responsibility to correct, while the third is just a reality of the player. On the injury aspect, I understand your interest is with the Bolts only, but if the injury spectrum was, from least injured club.....say 35 injuries....to most injured club, say the Bolts and they are at 43 injuries. Then my thought is it is not that big of an issue. Now if the Bolts had 160 injuries, my thought instantly would be which club had the next most injuries. If that club had 70....then Bolts have a really serious problem that needs addressing. If the spectrum was Bolts @ 160, next club @ 155, next club @ 129, next @ 120.....etc etc I just would not be that concerned. Do you look at becoming the least injured club, absolutely...... You want to blame the club, or TT, and I do not think that is fair or accurate.
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