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Post by frozendisc on Apr 13, 2019 9:31:18 GMT -7
I'm trying to read the tea leaves here. Does the fact that we were in need at DT last season and have failed resign some of our DT's combined with the supposed better than average pool of DT's in this years draft indicate we'll be going early after a DT? Or, does it indicate TT thinks he can fill in the need at DT a bit latter in the draft? What do you guys think? Personally I am hoping we do go for one of the stud DT's with our 1st round pick We have really lacked a push up the middle these last few years.
My choice would be Lawrence or Wilkins. Would love Jeffery Simmons but with his ACL injury he may not see any action this year and I'm not to sure how long our window with Rivers will remain open. To pick for "next year" like Dallas did with Jaylon Smith might pay off down road.
TT has plenty of ways he could go with the 28th pick..... DT....definte need OT.....big need at ROT, and an injury away from huge need at LOT, so a need. OG.....there is some need. ILB....an injury away from need. S....need CB....need OC....that injury away thing again, so some need. WR....need * I can hear you guys yapping about how every team would have need after an injury to a starter, but my putting need after injury is more of a statement about the poor depth found at said position.
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 13, 2019 10:08:26 GMT -7
Doesn't 'another good pass rusher' take away some of the pressure on Bosa and MI regardless of where that player plays ? not if they run, then he gets swallowed up like mebane/philon They can't run if he makes tackles for loss on the ball carrier. A top 3T is very effective v run, only a little less so v pass. Mebane got old, was never a 3T, Philon was an inconsistent 6th rd 3T prospect.
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 13, 2019 10:59:19 GMT -7
Personally I am hoping we do go for one of the stud DT's with our 1st round pick We have really lacked a push up the middle these last few years.
My choice would be Lawrence or Wilkins. Would love Jeffery Simmons but with his ACL injury he may not see any action this year and I'm not to sure how long our window with Rivers will remain open. To pick for "next year" like Dallas did with Jaylon Smith might pay off down road.
TT has plenty of ways he could go with the 28th pick..... DT....definte need OT.....big need at ROT, and an injury away from huge need at LOT, so a need. OG.....there is some need. ILB....an injury away from need. S....need CB....need OC....that injury away thing again, so some need. WR....need * I can hear you guys yapping about how every team would have need after an injury to a starter, but my putting need after injury is more of a statement about the poor depth found at said position. Here you are discussing PON.  If we judge depth by the quality of the guy getting reps ahead of him, we needed starter & depth at LG, RG, RT, 1T, 3T, SLB, MLB, WLB, RCB, FS when we played NE. Some of that is mitigated by guys out with injury, rookies who were not immediately solid but may improve and so on but OL, DT, LB, DB definitely rate some love in this draft. Hopefully TT can touch base on needs while going BPA talent when on the clock. #28 just go Pure A Talent.
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Post by jwr10x on Apr 13, 2019 12:38:32 GMT -7
To me the D Line talent is good enough that 12-13 D-line should go in the 1st round.
Only Dillard & Taylor look like the only OT that may well go 1st round , both should be gone before we pick as should Devin White.
Devin Bush & Adderley might be there at 28 but I think there will be higher quality DT's available.
But who really knows what TT is thinking.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 13, 2019 18:35:25 GMT -7
TT has plenty of ways he could go with the 28th pick..... DT....definte need OT.....big need at ROT, and an injury away from huge need at LOT, so a need. OG.....there is some need. ILB....an injury away from need. S....need CB....need OC....that injury away thing again, so some need. WR....need * I can hear you guys yapping about how every team would have need after an injury to a starter, but my putting need after injury is more of a statement about the poor depth found at said position. Here you are discussing PON. If we judge depth by the quality of the guy getting reps ahead of him, we needed starter & depth at LG, RG, RT, 1T, 3T, SLB, MLB, WLB, RCB, FS when we played NE. Some of that is mitigated by guys out with injury, rookies who were not immediately solid but may improve and so on but OL, DT, LB, DB definitely rate some love in this draft. Hopefully TT can touch base on needs while going BPA talent when on the clock. #28 just go Pure A Talent. Discussing Position Of Needs.......as in plural. TT has so many needs it will be stunning if the player at the top of their board when they pick isn't at a position of need. WR or CB.......just watch.
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Post by NoMoreChillies on Apr 13, 2019 19:04:24 GMT -7
not if they run, then he gets swallowed up like mebane/philon They can't run if he makes tackles for loss on the ball carrier. A top 3T is very effective v run, only a little less so v pass. Mebane got old, was never a 3T, Philon was an inconsistent 6th rd 3T prospect. yes i agree Wilkins (i doubt he falls that far) or Lawrence (i hope he is there)
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Post by boltnut on Apr 14, 2019 23:26:06 GMT -7
not if they run, then he gets swallowed up like mebane/philon I suppose if the DC has a pass rush oriented D called, and the OC runs, then OC wins that one...... In answer to the original question, maybe a solid pass rushing ILB would be the way to go on draft day..... We have 2 solid pass-rushing DE's in Bosa and Ingram. And Nwosu is pretty good rushing the QB from the SAM position. But against quick passing teams (NE) that outside pressure gets there too late. Understanding that, I agree that you have to bring pressure against those teams up the middle... quickly. And I agree that a MIKE could provide that pressure. Some will say that a 3-tech could bring that middle pressure. And I agree. But, you become weaker against the run with a 3-tech in there. My solution would be: Go to 3 down D-linemen. Go with Dexter as your NT, then put Bosa and Justin Jones as your 4-techs. You'd still be pretty solid vs the run as Dexter probably eats up two OL. That may give your blitzing ILB a clear run to the QB. LB's I see in this alignment are Perryman (run support ILB), designated blitzing ILB (Ingram/Brown?), White (WILL) and Davis (SAM) along with 2 CB's and 2 safeties. Would that work? Would we be strong vs. the run and the pass? Maybe we don't need to draft a good pass rushing ILB. Maybe we already have that player on the roster. Maybe we only need a good backup to the oft-injured Perryman...?
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 15, 2019 9:25:50 GMT -7
I suppose if the DC has a pass rush oriented D called, and the OC runs, then OC wins that one...... In answer to the original question, maybe a solid pass rushing ILB would be the way to go on draft day..... We have 2 solid pass-rushing DE's in Bosa and Ingram. And Nwosu is pretty good rushing the QB from the SAM position. But against quick passing teams (NE) that outside pressure gets there too late. Understanding that, I agree that you have to bring pressure against those teams up the middle... quickly. And I agree that a MIKE could provide that pressure. Some will say that a 3-tech could bring that middle pressure. And I agree. But, you become weaker against the run with a 3-tech in there. My solution would be: Go to 3 down D-linemen. Go with Dexter as your NT, then put Bosa and Justin Jones as your 4-techs. You'd still be pretty solid vs the run as Dexter probably eats up two OL. That may give your blitzing ILB a clear run to the QB. LB's I see in this alignment are Perryman (run support ILB), designated blitzing ILB (Ingram/Brown?), White (WILL) and Davis (SAM) along with 2 CB's and 2 safeties. Would that work? Would we be strong vs. the run and the pass? Maybe we don't need to draft a good pass rushing ILB. Maybe we already have that player on the roster. Maybe we only need a good backup to the oft-injured Perryman...? It depends on the player at 3T. Among the DTs in this draft, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins have far better numbers at making tackles behind the LOS v ball carriers. Dex is a plugger that should, in theory control the A gap. He would relieve Mebane, play 3T on some downs, maybe pair with Mebane v obvious short yardage runs. Currently Justin Jones is our lone DT. I'd like to see us with a pair of mobile, young DTs who can crush the pocket & play the run. With Liuget, Philon, Square not on the roster, it's close to a lock that TT takes a 3T early. Maybe not 28, but early. 28 is likely.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 15, 2019 11:04:03 GMT -7
We have 2 solid pass-rushing DE's in Bosa and Ingram. And Nwosu is pretty good rushing the QB from the SAM position. But against quick passing teams (NE) that outside pressure gets there too late. Understanding that, I agree that you have to bring pressure against those teams up the middle... quickly. And I agree that a MIKE could provide that pressure. Some will say that a 3-tech could bring that middle pressure. And I agree. But, you become weaker against the run with a 3-tech in there. My solution would be: Go to 3 down D-linemen. Go with Dexter as your NT, then put Bosa and Justin Jones as your 4-techs. You'd still be pretty solid vs the run as Dexter probably eats up two OL. That may give your blitzing ILB a clear run to the QB. LB's I see in this alignment are Perryman (run support ILB), designated blitzing ILB (Ingram/Brown?), White (WILL) and Davis (SAM) along with 2 CB's and 2 safeties. Would that work? Would we be strong vs. the run and the pass? Maybe we don't need to draft a good pass rushing ILB. Maybe we already have that player on the roster. Maybe we only need a good backup to the oft-injured Perryman...? It depends on the player at 3T. Among the DTs in this draft, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins have far better numbers at making tackles behind the LOS v ball carriers. Dex is a plugger that should, in theory control the A gap. He would relieve Mebane, play 3T on some downs, maybe pair with Mebane v obvious short yardage runs. Currently Justin Jones is our lone DT. I'd like to see us with a pair of mobile, young DTs who can crush the pocket & play the run. With Liuget, Philon, Square not on the roster, it's close to a lock that TT takes a 3T early. Maybe not 28, but early. 28 is likely. Oliver is not dropping, Wilkins might, but my guess is nope......then you get the Lawrence, Tillery and a slew of others.....all of which might be around 2nd rd. With no Wilkins, DT will not happen at 28th I believe, much more likely 2nd-4th rds. 28th looks like WR, TE or CB to me.....
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 15, 2019 11:18:06 GMT -7
It depends on the player at 3T. Among the DTs in this draft, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins have far better numbers at making tackles behind the LOS v ball carriers. Dex is a plugger that should, in theory control the A gap. He would relieve Mebane, play 3T on some downs, maybe pair with Mebane v obvious short yardage runs. Currently Justin Jones is our lone DT. I'd like to see us with a pair of mobile, young DTs who can crush the pocket & play the run. With Liuget, Philon, Square not on the roster, it's close to a lock that TT takes a 3T early. Maybe not 28, but early. 28 is likely. Oliver is not dropping, Wilkins might, but my guess is nope......then you get the Lawrence, Tillery and a slew of others.....all of which might be around 2nd rd. With no Wilkins, DT will not happen at 28th I believe, much more likely 2nd-4th rds. 28th looks like WR, TE or CB to me..... Jeffery Simmons. A top DT talent, knee inj allegedly doing well. Beat up a girl who was attacking his sister in 2016, no other incidents since. Talent may prevail.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 15, 2019 11:21:52 GMT -7
Oliver is not dropping, Wilkins might, but my guess is nope......then you get the Lawrence, Tillery and a slew of others.....all of which might be around 2nd rd. With no Wilkins, DT will not happen at 28th I believe, much more likely 2nd-4th rds. 28th looks like WR, TE or CB to me..... Jeffery Simmons. A top DT talent, knee inj allegedly doing well. Beat up a girl who was attacking his sister in 2016, no other incidents since. Talent may prevail. I don't see it...... Harry, Fant, Williams.....all have superior talent. TT will address the OL/DL deficiencies in rds 2-5, just watch.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 15, 2019 11:25:58 GMT -7
not if they run, then he gets swallowed up like mebane/philon I suppose if the DC has a pass rush oriented D called, and the OC runs, then OC wins that one...... In answer to the original question, maybe a solid pass rushing ILB would be the way to go on draft day..... Can we ask for an accurate throwing Offensive Guard too ?
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 15, 2019 11:32:31 GMT -7
Jeffery Simmons. A top DT talent, knee inj allegedly doing well. Beat up a girl who was attacking his sister in 2016, no other incidents since. Talent may prevail. I don't see it...... Harry, Fant, Williams.....all have superior talent. TT will address the OL/DL deficiencies in rds 2-5, just watch. Without the baggage/inj, Simmons was a top 10 talent. The HS incident was singular. If his knee is good, he'd be an absolute steal at 28.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 15, 2019 11:55:34 GMT -7
I don't see it...... Harry, Fant, Williams.....all have superior talent. TT will address the OL/DL deficiencies in rds 2-5, just watch. Without the baggage/inj, Simmons was a top 10 talent. The HS incident was singular. If his knee is good, he'd be an absolute steal at 28. But But But...... He might prove out to be an extraordinary talent, but he does have the issues you pointed out. As such, he goes 2nd rd......
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 15, 2019 11:56:56 GMT -7
I suppose if the DC has a pass rush oriented D called, and the OC runs, then OC wins that one...... In answer to the original question, maybe a solid pass rushing ILB would be the way to go on draft day..... Can we ask for an accurate throwing Offensive Guard too ? Hitting the sauce a bit early aren't you ?
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If we judge depth by the quality of the guy getting reps ahead of him, we needed starter & depth at LG, RG, RT, 1T, 3T, SLB, MLB, WLB, RCB, FS when we played NE. Some of that is mitigated by guys out with injury, rookies who were not immediately solid but may improve and so on but OL, DT, LB, DB definitely rate some love in this draft. Hopefully TT can touch base on needs while going BPA talent when on the clock. #28 just go Pure A Talent.
