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Post by moekid on Nov 17, 2021 8:53:09 GMT -7
Bosa and Tilley go on Covid reserve. Informative thread. Sounds like Bosa is our version of Aaron Rodgers |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 17, 2021 9:11:40 GMT -7
So not a TT draft pick, but depth player anyway, eh...... How can we blame everything on poor TT drafting if this is so...... Because I just like to hear you defend TT at every turn... Who cares if he is not a draft pick, TT is not just terrible at drafting in the later rounds he is terrible at signing dollar store caliber depth and it shows whenever a starter goes down or is unavailable. Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view?
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Post by moekid on Nov 17, 2021 9:15:46 GMT -7
Because I just like to hear you defend TT at every turn... Who cares if he is not a draft pick, TT is not just terrible at drafting in the later rounds he is terrible at signing dollar store caliber depth and it shows whenever a starter goes down or is unavailable. Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view? They would have been better if resigning Ingram, keeping Vigil or especially getting Justin Houston. That’s what I think of Fackrell |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 17, 2021 9:29:35 GMT -7
Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view? They would have been better if resigning Ingram, keeping Vigil or especially getting Justin Houston. That’s what I think of Fackrell But did you think that before the moves or decisions were made? As I recall, there were very few, if any, voices against walking away from MI. The players' recent history screamed 'done', and the little he as accomplished this season supports that.
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Post by moekid on Nov 17, 2021 10:45:09 GMT -7
They would have been better if resigning Ingram, keeping Vigil or especially getting Justin Houston. That’s what I think of Fackrell But did you think that before the moves or decisions were made? As I recall, there were very few, if any, voices against walking away from MI. The players' recent history screamed 'done', and the little he as accomplished this season supports that. Yes |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 17, 2021 10:46:10 GMT -7
Because I just like to hear you defend TT at every turn... Who cares if he is not a draft pick, TT is not just terrible at drafting in the later rounds he is terrible at signing dollar store caliber depth and it shows whenever a starter goes down or is unavailable. Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view? I get that your entire argument is based off hindsight, and thats cool if TT weren't the GM since 2013... No matter how you try and spin it or shift the conversation to what I would do, the fact of the matter is TT has been terrible at bringing in effective depth in key areas. He isn't even good at bringing in starters for certain positions... How long has special teams been a problem? How long have we been without a reliable kicker? How long has the oline sucked? How many busts at linebacker has he whiffed on? TT has been good at bringing in just enough talent to keep his job... This team is spinning its wheels in regards to talent.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 17, 2021 12:47:53 GMT -7
Three things can be true at once:
1) TT is not the worst GM in the NFL and has had some success.
2) TT has failed to build key units and depth through the draft, and the team has not had nor now has a championship-level roster.
3) Nearing 10 years is enough data to suggest that either TT needs to execute better and build a championship-level roster now or the club should move on and find a replacement to accomplish that objective.
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Post by moekid on Nov 17, 2021 13:45:11 GMT -7
Because I just like to hear you defend TT at every turn... Who cares if he is not a draft pick, TT is not just terrible at drafting in the later rounds he is terrible at signing dollar store caliber depth and it shows whenever a starter goes down or is unavailable. Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view? So you’re test for a GM is whether his talent acquisition with all the professionals around him is better than mock drafts on fan sites? |
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Post by ohioboltfan on Nov 17, 2021 15:51:48 GMT -7
Three things can be true at once: 1) TT is not the worst GM in the NFL and has had some success. 2) TT has failed to build key units and depth through the draft, and the team has not had nor now has a championship-level roster. 3) Nearing 10 years is enough data to suggest that either TT needs to execute better and build a championship-level roster now or the club should move on and find a replacement to accomplish that objective. Nice summation, LightsOut. I want to add one more thing and it isn't in defense of TT or any GM, it's just a point of fact in the team-building game overall- Some players squander all the amazing potential we expected of them coming of of college, (which could be their own fault not a team's) and some are injured and never recover to the play expected of them (which could be nobody's fault, although some players with an injury history that get drafted can certainly be blamed on a GM). Both of the Raiders first-round picks a year ago exemplify the first category, and we know all too well about players in the second category. Maybe this fall sunder the category of Bad Luck, and it's balanced by the Good Luck of undrafted gems or other players who outplay their pre-draft expectations. But on draft day 2017 we were all disappointed in taking Mike Williams with the 7th pick, and we were all thrilled with getting and Lamp and Feeney in the next two rounds (and maybe even happier when Desmond King was still on the board in the fifth!)
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 17, 2021 16:33:56 GMT -7
Three things can be true at once: 1) TT is not the worst GM in the NFL and has had some success. 2) TT has failed to build key units and depth through the draft, and the team has not had nor now has a championship-level roster. 3) Nearing 10 years is enough data to suggest that either TT needs to execute better and build a championship-level roster now or the club should move on and find a replacement to accomplish that objective. Exactly...
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 17, 2021 16:39:55 GMT -7
Three things can be true at once: 1) TT is not the worst GM in the NFL and has had some success. 2) TT has failed to build key units and depth through the draft, and the team has not had nor now has a championship-level roster. 3) Nearing 10 years is enough data to suggest that either TT needs to execute better and build a championship-level roster now or the club should move on and find a replacement to accomplish that objective. Nice summation, LightsOut. I want to add one more thing and it isn't in defense of TT or any GM, it's just a point of fact in the team-building game overall- Some players squander all the amazing potential we expected of them coming of of college, (which could be their own fault not a team's) and some are injured and never recover to the play expected of them (which could be nobody's fault, although some players with an injury history that get drafted can certainly be blamed on a GM). Both of the Raiders first-round picks a year ago exemplify the first category, and we know all too well about players in the second category. Maybe this fall sunder the category of Bad Luck, and it's balanced by the Good Luck of undrafted gems or other players who outplay their pre-draft expectations. But on draft day 2017 we were all disappointed in taking Mike Williams with the 7th pick, and we were all thrilled with getting and Lamp and Feeney in the next two rounds (and maybe even happier when Desmond King was still on the board in the fifth!) The jury is out on MW... You all know my opinion of him, good #2 or #3 not worth the money he is due or wants. Its unfortunate about Lamp, Feeney I had no opinion of. Desmond King is another example of something TT didn't whiff on but is no longer with the team.
There are much worse GM's out there, I get that. But TT has not shown the ability to put together a contending roster in the 8+ years he has been with the club.
Time to adjust your style and think outside the box you (TT) seem to be stuck in...
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 17, 2021 18:22:18 GMT -7
Defending TT.....with the truth. My guess is if we were to go back and look at the mock drafts held on this site, your picks in the later rounds would be worse than the clubs/TT's. I know mine were not good.... Reality is it is very difficult task, one that few recognize as being as difficult as it is. Curious....is Frackrell a good acquisition, or a bad one in your view? I get that your entire argument is based off hindsight, and thats cool if TT weren't the GM since 2013... No matter how you try and spin it or shift the conversation to what I would do, the fact of the matter is TT has been terrible at bringing in effective depth in key areas. He isn't even good at bringing in starters for certain positions... How long has special teams been a problem? How long have we been without a reliable kicker? How long has the oline sucked? How many busts at linebacker has he whiffed on? TT has been good at bringing in just enough talent to keep his job... This team is spinning its wheels in regards to talent. Looking back at how the players have developed is the only way to evaluate the claim TT is a bad GM.....or bad at drafting.....or bad at roster building......or whatever else you all want to heap on him. I guess my thought is you guys really do not give any acknowledgement to the simple fact that the draft, or free agency even, is a collective effort. TT doesn't just go out on a whim and draft this guy, offer this free agent a ton of money......there is a bunch of discussion about many things involving the prospective player and the impact of bringing that player into the club. I know you want to win, but it is really hard. How many Super Bowls have the Chargers won......zero, but they have been to one, so that GM had it right. How come he did not go earlier, or after.....because there are so many factors involved, many of which the GM has no control over. The things he does control, or decisions he controls, get considerable discussion prior to being made. It should go without saying, but I will say it any way.....every decision they make, they truly believe in. There are no coin flips......it is a well thought out decision, one they believe is the best decision for the organization. You guys are fans, and have every right to criticize, debate, love, or hate any aspect of the League, Clubs, or Players. I will just continue to defend the organizations, as things are not so simple on that side of the coin.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 17, 2021 19:33:00 GMT -7
I get that your entire argument is based off hindsight, and thats cool if TT weren't the GM since 2013... No matter how you try and spin it or shift the conversation to what I would do, the fact of the matter is TT has been terrible at bringing in effective depth in key areas. He isn't even good at bringing in starters for certain positions... How long has special teams been a problem? How long have we been without a reliable kicker? How long has the oline sucked? How many busts at linebacker has he whiffed on? TT has been good at bringing in just enough talent to keep his job... This team is spinning its wheels in regards to talent. Looking back at how the players have developed is the only way to evaluate the claim TT is a bad GM.....or bad at drafting.....or bad at roster building......or whatever else you all want to heap on him. I guess my thought is you guys really do not give any acknowledgement to the simple fact that the draft, or free agency even, is a collective effort. TT doesn't just go out on a whim and draft this guy, offer this free agent a ton of money......there is a bunch of discussion about many things involving the prospective player and the impact of bringing that player into the club. I know you want to win, but it is really hard. How many Super Bowls have the Chargers won......zero, but they have been to one, so that GM had it right. How come he did not go earlier, or after.....because there are so many factors involved, many of which the GM has no control over. The things he does control, or decisions he controls, get considerable discussion prior to being made. It should go without saying, but I will say it any way.....every decision they make, they truly believe in. There are no coin flips......it is a well thought out decision, one they believe is the best decision for the organization. You guys are fans, and have every right to criticize, debate, love, or hate any aspect of the League, Clubs, or Players. I will just continue to defend the organizations, as things are not so simple on that side of the coin. Thats very admirable of you and its cool you are willing to let that stuff go, although it blows my mind to hear it. Overall TT is the one in charge, he is the GM, the buck stops with him... I'm sorry but making it to 1 Superbowl over 27 years ago is not reason to give the current regime a pass. I don't know goalie, you just keep doing you, yes football is hard but winning a Superbowl is the goal, if you can't do that then next man up. Wow!
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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Nov 17, 2021 19:33:45 GMT -7
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 17, 2021 20:03:56 GMT -7
Looking back at how the players have developed is the only way to evaluate the claim TT is a bad GM.....or bad at drafting.....or bad at roster building......or whatever else you all want to heap on him. I guess my thought is you guys really do not give any acknowledgement to the simple fact that the draft, or free agency even, is a collective effort. TT doesn't just go out on a whim and draft this guy, offer this free agent a ton of money......there is a bunch of discussion about many things involving the prospective player and the impact of bringing that player into the club. I know you want to win, but it is really hard. How many Super Bowls have the Chargers won......zero, but they have been to one, so that GM had it right. How come he did not go earlier, or after.....because there are so many factors involved, many of which the GM has no control over. The things he does control, or decisions he controls, get considerable discussion prior to being made. It should go without saying, but I will say it any way.....every decision they make, they truly believe in. There are no coin flips......it is a well thought out decision, one they believe is the best decision for the organization. You guys are fans, and have every right to criticize, debate, love, or hate any aspect of the League, Clubs, or Players. I will just continue to defend the organizations, as things are not so simple on that side of the coin. Thats very admirable of you and its cool you are willing to let that stuff go, although it blows my mind to hear it. Overall TT is the one in charge, he is the GM, the buck stops with him... I'm sorry but making it to 1 Superbowl over 27 years ago is not reason to give the current regime a pass. I don't know goalie, you just keep doing you, yes football is hard but winning a Superbowl is the goal, if you can't do that then next man up. Wow! Don't kid yourself, TT might be the face of the club, but he certainly is not the one in charge....the Owner is in charge. Owners do not get fired, hence the fans come after the GM or the HC.....it is the nature of the business. You missed my point about attaining the Super Bowl..... Winning is all that matters, to the fans......Owners might have a list of expectations, and GM's best be providing results to that list. TT is a good GM, your frustrations aside.
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