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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 17, 2021 21:18:27 GMT -7
I get that your entire argument is based off hindsight, and thats cool if TT weren't the GM since 2013... No matter how you try and spin it or shift the conversation to what I would do, the fact of the matter is TT has been terrible at bringing in effective depth in key areas. He isn't even good at bringing in starters for certain positions... How long has special teams been a problem? How long have we been without a reliable kicker? How long has the oline sucked? How many busts at linebacker has he whiffed on? TT has been good at bringing in just enough talent to keep his job... This team is spinning its wheels in regards to talent. Looking back at how the players have developed is the only way to evaluate the claim TT is a bad GM.....or bad at drafting.....or bad at roster building......or whatever else you all want to heap on him. I guess my thought is you guys really do not give any acknowledgement to the simple fact that the draft, or free agency even, is a collective effort. TT doesn't just go out on a whim and draft this guy, offer this free agent a ton of money......there is a bunch of discussion about many things involving the prospective player and the impact of bringing that player into the club. I know you want to win, but it is really hard. How many Super Bowls have the Chargers won......zero, but they have been to one, so that GM had it right. How come he did not go earlier, or after.....because there are so many factors involved, many of which the GM has no control over. The things he does control, or decisions he controls, get considerable discussion prior to being made. It should go without saying, but I will say it any way.....every decision they make, they truly believe in. There are no coin flips......it is a well thought out decision, one they believe is the best decision for the organization. You guys are fans, and have every right to criticize, debate, love, or hate any aspect of the League, Clubs, or Players. I will just continue to defend the organizations, as things are not so simple on that side of the coin. I readily acknowledge that it’s not easy being a GM. I rather like TT and believe he’s a good, intelligent GM. But he’s not a great one, at least yet. As a leader, he’s accountable for his decisions and those of his staff. The reason we talk about TT is because he is the GM and thus the accountable party, not because it’s TT. |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 18, 2021 5:47:04 GMT -7
Thats very admirable of you and its cool you are willing to let that stuff go, although it blows my mind to hear it. Overall TT is the one in charge, he is the GM, the buck stops with him... I'm sorry but making it to 1 Superbowl over 27 years ago is not reason to give the current regime a pass. I don't know goalie, you just keep doing you, yes football is hard but winning a Superbowl is the goal, if you can't do that then next man up. Wow! Owners do not get fired, hence the fans come after the GM or the HC.....it is the nature of the business. You missed my point about attaining the Super Bowl..... Winning is all that matters, to the fans......Owners might have a list of expectations, and GM's best be providing results to that list. TT is a good GM, your frustrations aside. Sounds like your passing the buck disc... Are you saying Spanos is making player decisions when that is clearly TT's job? Why would any self respecting person stay in a job where their boss micromanages/makes decisions for them? I've heard this conspiracy before and don't buy it.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 6:24:19 GMT -7
I think Bosa back up is Fackrell ? , but depth player anyway, eh...... How can we blame everything on poor TT drafting if this is so...... I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 6:26:01 GMT -7
Bosa and Tilley go on Covid reserve. Informative thread. Sounds like Bosa is our version of Aaron Rodgers Did Aaron Rodgers also enter a mental health therapy after signing a mega-contract ? REACT AS I TAKE NO PRISONERS !!!! AS WE EDGE TOWARDS .500 I'LL GO FOR THE THROAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2021 7:34:10 GMT -7
Don't kid yourself, TT might be the face of the club, but he certainly is not the one in charge....the Owner is in charge. Owners do not get fired, hence the fans come after the GM or the HC.....it is the nature of the business. You missed my point about attaining the Super Bowl..... Winning is all that matters, to the fans......Owners might have a list of expectations, and GM's best be providing results to that list. TT is a good GM, your frustrations aside. Sounds like your passing the buck disc... Are you saying Spanos is making player decisions when that is clearly TT's job? Why would any self respecting person stay in a job where their boss micromanages/makes decisions for them? I've heard this conspiracy before and don't buy it. No, I am being literal in exactly who is in charge. Owners are in charge, but rarely get in the mud, eh. As far as low level (below GM and HC hiring) decision making goes, it is most likely a rare occurrence that sees Dean Spanos involved. It would be remis to not recognize and acknowledge that John Spanos is definitely involved in the decision making, but to what extent we shall never likely know. Regardless, the simple fact is all decisions are a collective of information from the club's sources, unless the owner decides to ignore those sources and make his own call.....which clearly is his right. Blame the GM in anything you want, as taking the blame comes with the position, but don't be naïve about how the decisions are being made. They simply are not singular fliers from the GM.....
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2021 7:45:19 GMT -7
So not a TT draft pick, but depth player anyway, eh...... How can we blame everything on poor TT drafting if this is so...... I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget. I just think it would be more reflective to insert 'the club' has missed in drafting, or had less success then hoped for. Or the club doesn't engage in FA's on a large scale....which seems to be an organizational trait.....does that come from ownership or is it just TT's approach? I am not a FA type, as I believe in most cases the give is far too much for the get. Build through the draft is my approach.....but of course one must draft well to be successful. * There are so many aspects about TT's efforts that are top shelf, not a chance he gets released from contract. If he did, he would get snatched up very quickly I believe.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 7:57:42 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 7:59:28 GMT -7
I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget. I just think it would be more reflective to insert 'the club' has missed in drafting, or had less success then hoped for. Or the club doesn't engage in FA's on a large scale....which seems to be an organizational trait.....does that come from ownership or is it just TT's approach? I am not a FA type, as I believe in most cases the give is far too much for the get. Build through the draft is my approach.....but of course one must draft well to be successful. * There are so many aspects about TT's efforts that are top shelf, not a chance he gets released from contract. If he did, he would get snatched up very quickly I believe. League wide it is the GM's call, most of the time. I THINK it is TT's call. But regardless, he is the fall guy either way. That much is 100%.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2021 8:13:38 GMT -7
I just think it would be more reflective to insert 'the club' has missed in drafting, or had less success then hoped for. Or the club doesn't engage in FA's on a large scale....which seems to be an organizational trait.....does that come from ownership or is it just TT's approach? I am not a FA type, as I believe in most cases the give is far too much for the get. Build through the draft is my approach.....but of course one must draft well to be successful. * There are so many aspects about TT's efforts that are top shelf, not a chance he gets released from contract. If he did, he would get snatched up very quickly I believe. League wide it is the GM's call, most of the time. I THINK it is TT's call. But regardless, he is the fall guy either way. That much is 100%. Yep, TT will be the fall guy for both the fans and the organization. Not too sure what you are speaking to when saying "it" is the GM's call......FA?
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Post by moekid on Nov 18, 2021 8:33:37 GMT -7
So not a TT draft pick, but depth player anyway, eh...... How can we blame everything on poor TT drafting if this is so...... I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget. He’s not the best but he not the worst? Oh heavens help me. We’ll never get there with this acceptance of mediocrity |
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 8:55:14 GMT -7
Bosa has tested negative, per Staley. If he continues to test negative, he will be eligible to be activated Saturday.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 8:55:40 GMT -7
League wide it is the GM's call, most of the time. I THINK it is TT's call. But regardless, he is the fall guy either way. That much is 100%. Yep, TT will be the fall guy for both the fans and the organization. Not too sure what you are speaking to when saying "it" is the GM's call......FA? FA and Draft
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 8:56:14 GMT -7
I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget. He’s not the best but he not the worst? Oh heavens help me. We’ll never get there with this acceptance of mediocrity Request Approved !! Launch all pitchforks and torches.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 18, 2021 8:58:03 GMT -7
Derwin James on the mentality in the #Chargers locker room:
“There’s a sense of urgency and we gotta get going. Let’s go.”
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 18, 2021 9:16:22 GMT -7
I'm not convinced there is a SINGLE blame here. It's true TT has missed in mid and late rounds. It's also true. outside of this years oline, he doesn't do free agents (enough). But overall, I'm ok with TT. He's not the best, but there are worse out there. That's the part we forget. He’s not the best but he not the worst? Oh heavens help me. We’ll never get there with this acceptance of mediocrity Exactly... Thats my entire point but all the goalie can do is gaslight... Lets barely make the playoffs if at all every season because "tHeRe aRe WorSE GM's oUt TheRE"...
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