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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 26, 2022 12:33:44 GMT -7
It IS a prime spot for RT. LT is more valuable so there will be a run on them. That leaves a bunch of RT right around #17. Scout em up !!!!! It is also a spot to where a killer RB, TE, or WR may slide. Even though the defense needs the most talent (again) it would be hard to skip over a great offensive weapon. Every time you want a different position I want you to picture Storm Norton in the biggest game of the year.............
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Post by lazylightning on Jan 26, 2022 16:15:07 GMT -7
It is also a spot to where a killer RB, TE, or WR may slide. Even though the defense needs the most talent (again) it would be hard to skip over a great offensive weapon. Every time you want a different position I want you to picture Storm Norton in the biggest game of the year............. So you are saying, put in Pipkins?
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2022 6:15:58 GMT -7
Every time you want a different position I want you to picture Storm Norton in the biggest game of the year............. So you are saying, put in Pipkins? Pipkins for the win.
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Post by lazylightning on Jan 27, 2022 9:52:46 GMT -7
So you are saying, put in Pipkins? Pipkins for the win. LOL Seriously though, take the BPA. Nobody want a repeat of taking a Fluker when a Star is available.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 27, 2022 10:03:43 GMT -7
LOL Seriously though, take the BPA. Nobody want a repeat of taking a Fluker when a Star is available. 1 million percent that... I still have nightmares about that utter failure...
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2022 10:33:46 GMT -7
BPA ?? If its a strong safety ? Center ? LT ? QB ?
C'mon man. Get real.
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Post by sdc on Jan 27, 2022 11:25:49 GMT -7
LOL Seriously though, take the BPA. Nobody want a repeat of taking a Fluker when a Star is available. 1 million percent that... I still have nightmares about that utter failure... You guys act like Star is the second coming of Jamal Williams. Lotulelei's and Fluker's careers are similar. Both serviceable starters with their only NFL distinction being named to the all rookie team. Both of them have at lasted most of the guys drafted around them. Utter failure is a bit much. We are not talking Sammy Davis vs. Troy Polamalu here.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 27, 2022 11:46:39 GMT -7
Fluker has been with how many teams compared to Star? No def not on the Davis vs. Polamalu level, but I stand by my statement regarding Fluker. Star was the better pick for us and I won't even admit hindsight, I've been saying it since 2013.
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Post by lazylightning on Jan 27, 2022 12:07:23 GMT -7
1 million percent that... I still have nightmares about that utter failure... You guys act like Star is the second coming of Jamal Williams. Lotulelei's and Fluker's careers are similar. Both serviceable starters with their only NFL distinction being named to the all rookie team. Both of them have at lasted most of the guys drafted around them. Utter failure is a bit much. We are not talking Sammy Davis vs. Troy Polamalu here. My memory of Fluker's performance is akin to Storm Norton's performance. Perhaps we have a different definition of serviceable.
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Post by sdc on Jan 27, 2022 14:17:31 GMT -7
Fluker has been with how many teams compared to Star? No def not on the Davis vs. Polamalu level, but I stand by my statement regarding Fluker. Star was the better pick for us and I won't even admit hindsight, I've been saying it since 2013. I enjoy your posts but your hatred of Telesco effects your objectivity. People bang on Telesco for drafting Fluker who most projected to play guard (they were right) but then give him no credit for Slater (who was also seen as an NFL guard). The logic seems to be that Slater fell to us. Same thing with Herbert and James. I am on record stating that Herbert underperformed in college and was a boom or bust NFL prospect. Telesco was right and I am happy to admit that I was dead wrong. Fluker has started 96 games in the NFL, Star 99. Neither of them have sniffed the Pro Bowl in that time. They both fall under the serviceable category. That in and of itself makes them better than 70% of the guys drafted around them. I’m not on the fire Telesco train. His record is middling but I am also aware if we replace him, the odds of improving are identical to the odds of declining. I think he has acquired enough talent to compete. There were quite a few seasons where injuries crippled playoff caliber teams. I happen to agree with the team’s approach of not overspending on other teams’ free agents. He took too long to fix the oline. His 3rd to 5th round picks have to get better. I believe that’s a big part of our special team woes. I’ve been a Mike Williams supporter since day one and am flabbergasted when I see fans on social media criticizing Telesco for not extending him prior to the season. Most of those guys were slamming Telesco for picking up the 5th year option. My single biggest issue with the Chargers the past 15 years are the head coaches. Norv suck balls. McCoy’s balls never dropped. Anthony Lynn’s wife keeps his balls in an urn over the fireplace. So far, Staley wants the entire world to know that he has big swinging balls and loves to show them off even if it’s at a baby shower. I believe that the coaches are more a Spanos decision that a Telesco decision. If that’s the case, shuttling the GM will do little to keep the Bolts from “Chargering”.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 27, 2022 15:35:47 GMT -7
Fluker has been with how many teams compared to Star? No def not on the Davis vs. Polamalu level, but I stand by my statement regarding Fluker. Star was the better pick for us and I won't even admit hindsight, I've been saying it since 2013. I enjoy your posts but your hatred of Telesco effects your objectivity. People bang on Telesco for drafting Fluker who most projected to play guard (they were right) but then give him no credit for Slater (who was also seen as an NFL guard). The logic seems to be that Slater fell to us. Same thing with Herbert and James. I am on record stating that Herbert underperformed in college and was a boom or bust NFL prospect. Telesco was right and I am happy to admit that I was dead wrong. Fluker has started 96 games in the NFL, Star 99. Neither of them have sniffed the Pro Bowl in that time. They both fall under the serviceable category. That in and of itself makes them better than 70% of the guys drafted around them. I’m not on the fire Telesco train. His record is middling but I am also aware if we replace him, the odds of improving are identical to the odds of declining. I think he has acquired enough talent to compete. There were quite a few seasons where injuries crippled playoff caliber teams. I happen to agree with the team’s approach of not overspending on other teams’ free agents. He took too long to fix the oline. His 3rd to 5th round picks have to get better. I believe that’s a big part of our special team woes. I’ve been a Mike Williams supporter since day one and am flabbergasted when I see fans on social media criticizing Telesco for not extending him prior to the season. Most of those guys were slamming Telesco for picking up the 5th year option. My single biggest issue with the Chargers the past 15 years are the head coaches. Norv suck balls. McCoy’s balls never dropped. Anthony Lynn’s wife keeps his balls in an urn over the fireplace. So far, Staley wants the entire world to know that he has big swinging balls and loves to show them off even if it’s at a baby shower. I believe that the coaches are more a Spanos decision that a Telesco decision. If that’s the case, shuttling the GM will do little to keep the Bolts from “Chargering”. Maybe I just see Telesco differently... And for the record, I don't "hate" Telesco I just think his philosophy and GM'ing style sucks. To me he is an average GM that can be average for an owner that accepts that result, sorry just my opinion.
I think people focus too much on Herbert, Bosa, James and now Slater inflating what he has actually done as GM. But at the end of the day you can't argue they were great picks... Especially Herbert and Slater (so far).
As far as Slater projected as a GUARD? I never heard this anywhere, not saying it isn't true, I personally just NEVER heard this and even if it was true it means diddly in comparison to Fluker.
I was not on the Herbert train either and wasn't impressed by his bowl game... Glad that draft pick worked out the way it did!
Mike Williams was fire at the beginning of the season and then fizzled out as the season progressed... I called that. I like him as he does know the playbook and he does make good plays, he's just inconsistent and not worth 15 million dollars.
I think TT purposefully goes after projects instead of guys that will be good on special teams, just my opinion. But I agree, 3-5 need to get better.
Coaching during his tenure speaks for itself, McCoy, Lynn, and now Staley have nothing in common and don't show any kind of culture TT or Spanos want to implement... All 3 coaches are totally different.
We'll see how it goes...
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 27, 2022 15:53:18 GMT -7
I think you have to credit the Bosa and James picks. No one can predict the proneness to injury, esp if it wasn't seen before.
James is just flat out a baller when he is healthy.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 27, 2022 15:55:59 GMT -7
I think you have to credit the Bosa and James picks. No one can predict the proneness to injury, esp if it wasn't seen before. James is just flat out a baller when he is healthy. That is true, criticizing TT for DJ's injuries is not fair.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2022 19:50:00 GMT -7
I think you have to credit the Bosa and James picks. No one can predict the proneness to injury, esp if it wasn't seen before. James is just flat out a baller when he is healthy. That is true, criticizing TT for DJ's injuries is not fair. Or Lamps.......
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2022 19:51:53 GMT -7
I enjoy your posts but your hatred of Telesco effects your objectivity. People bang on Telesco for drafting Fluker who most projected to play guard (they were right) but then give him no credit for Slater (who was also seen as an NFL guard). The logic seems to be that Slater fell to us. Same thing with Herbert and James. I am on record stating that Herbert underperformed in college and was a boom or bust NFL prospect. Telesco was right and I am happy to admit that I was dead wrong. Fluker has started 96 games in the NFL, Star 99. Neither of them have sniffed the Pro Bowl in that time. They both fall under the serviceable category. That in and of itself makes them better than 70% of the guys drafted around them. I’m not on the fire Telesco train. His record is middling but I am also aware if we replace him, the odds of improving are identical to the odds of declining. I think he has acquired enough talent to compete. There were quite a few seasons where injuries crippled playoff caliber teams. I happen to agree with the team’s approach of not overspending on other teams’ free agents. He took too long to fix the oline. His 3rd to 5th round picks have to get better. I believe that’s a big part of our special team woes. I’ve been a Mike Williams supporter since day one and am flabbergasted when I see fans on social media criticizing Telesco for not extending him prior to the season. Most of those guys were slamming Telesco for picking up the 5th year option. My single biggest issue with the Chargers the past 15 years are the head coaches. Norv suck balls. McCoy’s balls never dropped. Anthony Lynn’s wife keeps his balls in an urn over the fireplace. So far, Staley wants the entire world to know that he has big swinging balls and loves to show them off even if it’s at a baby shower. I believe that the coaches are more a Spanos decision that a Telesco decision. If that’s the case, shuttling the GM will do little to keep the Bolts from “Chargering”. Maybe I just see Telesco differently... And for the record, I don't "hate" Telesco I just think his philosophy and GM'ing style sucks. To me he is an average GM that can be average for an owner that accepts that result, sorry just my opinion.
I think people focus too much on Herbert, Bosa, James and now Slater inflating what he has actually done as GM. But at the end of the day you can't argue they were great picks... Especially Herbert and Slater (so far).
As far as Slater projected as a GUARD? I never heard this anywhere, not saying it isn't true, I personally just NEVER heard this and even if it was true it means diddly in comparison to Fluker.
I was not on the Herbert train either and wasn't impressed by his bowl game... Glad that draft pick worked out the way it did!
Mike Williams was fire at the beginning of the season and then fizzled out as the season progressed... I called that. I like him as he does know the playbook and he does make good plays, he's just inconsistent and not worth 15 million dollars.
I think TT purposefully goes after projects instead of guys that will be good on special teams, just my opinion. But I agree, 3-5 need to get better.
Coaching during his tenure speaks for itself, McCoy, Lynn, and now Staley have nothing in common and don't show any kind of culture TT or Spanos want to implement... All 3 coaches are totally different.
We'll see how it goes...
AF, I think where you go wrong on TT is everything is about drafting, or FA signings......being the GM is bigger than those two items. TT is a very solid GM, Spanos would be stupid to fire him.
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