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Post by frozendisc on Dec 5, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -7
The frustration is palpable with you guys......
At this point, the Chargers are fielding and ECHL level of talent in an NHL game.
Succinctly put, you are going to lose, pretty much every time.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 5, 2022 13:38:34 GMT -7
likely no. I'd like to see them finish strong though with players back. Though I'd like to see Staley gone too. Objectively, these injuries are just too much to overcome. However, I still want a better staff from the GM down. (Maybe keep Ficken and some position coaches.) Let's consider this...... TT....by all accounts he had a tremendous off season. The roster of starting players he assembled was considered Super Bowl level. The big problem from the off season efforts was acquiring depth talent. I said it at the time, 'if the depth play, Chargers are in trouble'.....or something along those lines. Did TT make bad decisions.....to be fair, he just made decisions with hindsight showing the errors. There were good decisions as well, so.... TT's big failing is seen in Staley's review. Staley.....Has he done the stupid over aggressive stuff this year, no not really. Has he managed the group well, yea, I would give him that. No dissention or issues creating off field distractions. Should he have kept Hill as his DC, nope....big mistake in my view. Should he have relinquished a ton more of the defence to an experienced DC, yep. TT blew this last January. Should Staley have fired Lombardi....while I do not like his play calling, it isn't bad enough to fire him. Staley, Lombardi and Hill all have a fair response to critics when one looks at the talent depletion due to injury. Not just the volume, but the level of talent....it is staggering. Moving into the next off season.... Lombardi is gone. Hill is gone. TT and Staley remain......
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 5, 2022 14:24:16 GMT -7
Objectively, these injuries are just too much to overcome. However, I still want a better staff from the GM down. (Maybe keep Ficken and some position coaches.) Moving into the next off season.... Lombardi is gone. Hill is gone. TT and Staley remain...... If that happens then, as the great Richard Pryor once said, “We will see.” |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2022 6:22:04 GMT -7
Objectively, these injuries are just too much to overcome. However, I still want a better staff from the GM down. (Maybe keep Ficken and some position coaches.) Moving into the next off season.... Lombardi is gone. Hill is gone. TT and Staley remain...... Then the question that begs to be asked is: Does firing a DC that does nothing, and an average OC solve our problems ? I don't believe that for a minute. If you want elite, then you have to hire elite. Is Staley elite ? Telesco's 10 years elite ? Tom Telesco has a losing record 75-82 Has never won the AFC, nor played in the conf. champ. game Only has one year of 10 or more wins Been to the playoffs only twice Has only 2 playoff game wins He has never won the division I'm sorry, but those are the stats. Stats don't lie.
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Post by amped on Dec 6, 2022 7:02:54 GMT -7
Moving into the next off season.... Lombardi is gone. Hill is gone. TT and Staley remain...... Then the question that begs to be asked is: Does firing a DC that does nothing, and an average OC solve our problems ? I don't believe that for a minute. If you want elite, then you have to hire elite. Is Staley elite ? Telesco's 10 years elite ? Tom Telesco has a losing record 75-82 Has never won the AFC, nor played in the conf. champ. game Only has one year of 10 or more wins Been to the playoffs only twice Has only 2 playoff game wins He has never won the division I'm sorry, but those are the stats. Stats don't lie. Brutal? yes.
But it isnt the worst in the league by a long shot. thats the Spanos way.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 6, 2022 8:26:18 GMT -7
Moving into the next off season.... Lombardi is gone. Hill is gone. TT and Staley remain...... Then the question that begs to be asked is: Does firing a DC that does nothing, and an average OC solve our problems ? I don't believe that for a minute. If you want elite, then you have to hire elite. Is Staley elite ? Telesco's 10 years elite ? Tom Telesco has a losing record 75-82 Has never won the AFC, nor played in the conf. champ. game Only has one year of 10 or more wins Been to the playoffs only twice Has only 2 playoff game wins He has never won the division I'm sorry, but those are the stats. Stats don't lie. I am pretty certain there are informal conversations going on about the mistakes made, and the path forward. Those conversations should, and will be, tempered by the injury realities. Will they make changes, maybe, maybe not. Depends on far too many factors that those on the outside won't know. Does change happen just to appease the fan base? Is that fair? For me, I have never liked the DC Hill, and so a change there. That said, there would be a conversation with Staley about relinquishing play calling, changing the structure on that side, it is the DC's job to call plays. Staley can influence the approach, but the game day chess match belongs to the DC. If Staley balks, fire him on the spot. The OC Lombardi is average, but give me a complaint besides average results..... I do not like his use of the talent in play design, his lack of creativity when missing players, his being predictable. Change for the sake of change, nope.....but change because there are issues, yep. Bye to KA....also. TT provided a fantastic off season of roster moves, by all accounts. These results are his fault? No....they are not. The club is well managed in all respects.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2022 8:50:56 GMT -7
Then the question that begs to be asked is: Does firing a DC that does nothing, and an average OC solve our problems ? I don't believe that for a minute. If you want elite, then you have to hire elite. Is Staley elite ? Telesco's 10 years elite ? Tom Telesco has a losing record 75-82
Has never won the AFC, nor played in the conf. champ. game
Only has one year of 10 or more wins
Been to the playoffs only twice
Has only 2 playoff game wins
He has never won the division
I'm sorry, but those are the stats. Stats don't lie.
I am pretty certain there are informal conversations going on about the mistakes made, and the path forward. Those conversations should, and will be, tempered by the injury realities. Will they make changes, maybe, maybe not. Depends on far too many factors that those on the outside won't know. Does change happen just to appease the fan base? Is that fair? For me, I have never liked the DC Hill, and so a change there. That said, there would be a conversation with Staley about relinquishing play calling, changing the structure on that side, it is the DC's job to call plays. Staley can influence the approach, but the game day chess match belongs to the DC. If Staley balks, fire him on the spot. The OC Lombardi is average, but give me a complaint besides average results..... I do not like his use of the talent in play design, his lack of creativity when missing players, his being predictable. Change for the sake of change, nope.....but change because there are issues, yep. Bye to KA....also. TT provided a fantastic off season of roster moves, by all accounts. These results are his fault? No....they are not. The club is well managed in all respects. and........his stats still don't lie.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 6, 2022 8:56:49 GMT -7
I am pretty certain there are informal conversations going on about the mistakes made, and the path forward. Those conversations should, and will be, tempered by the injury realities. Will they make changes, maybe, maybe not. Depends on far too many factors that those on the outside won't know. Does change happen just to appease the fan base? Is that fair? For me, I have never liked the DC Hill, and so a change there. That said, there would be a conversation with Staley about relinquishing play calling, changing the structure on that side, it is the DC's job to call plays. Staley can influence the approach, but the game day chess match belongs to the DC. If Staley balks, fire him on the spot. The OC Lombardi is average, but give me a complaint besides average results..... I do not like his use of the talent in play design, his lack of creativity when missing players, his being predictable. Change for the sake of change, nope.....but change because there are issues, yep. Bye to KA....also. TT provided a fantastic off season of roster moves, by all accounts. These results are his fault? No....they are not. The club is well managed in all respects. and........his stats still don't lie. The organization's stats...... Your frustration is misplaced.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2022 9:13:20 GMT -7
That's funny... Stats don't matter the organization is "well run"... Give me a break!
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 6, 2022 9:30:25 GMT -7
That's funny... Stats don't matter the organization is "well run"... Give me a break! At no time have I posted stats don't matter...... The club is well run..... Still waiting on your posting those complaints you had about TT's off season signings......
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2022 9:41:30 GMT -7
That's funny... Stats don't matter the organization is "well run"... Give me a break! At no time have I posted stats don't matter...... The club is well run..... Still waiting on your posting those complaints you had about TT's off season signings...... Are you saying that TT has made the Chargers a “well run” team or that he’s always made the Chargers a “well run” team? It strikes me that you have to look at both things: How TT is performing *today* — because people can grow and improve, and because you have to consider the upside and downside of change — as well as how TT has performed over his tenure. Neither is independently conclusive, and their action (or not) on this front probably cuts to the core of the owners’ value judgments. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -7
Another year of TT is good versus TT is bad, and this is his 8th year of NO playoffs thus far.
The organization is "well run" though. The Staples office supplies must come in on time. Its the only answer left.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2022 10:51:15 GMT -7
That's funny... Stats don't matter the organization is "well run"... Give me a break! At no time have I posted stats don't matter...... The club is well run..... Still waiting on your posting those complaints you had about TT's off season signings...... How is that relevant? TT's overall stats as GM is one of the main reasons why we made a big splash in free agency this year IMHO. TT made some good moves for ONCE in his tenure, which for the most part turned out to be shit. Do I blame him in hindsight? Is that what you want to hear? I don't blame him for that, but I do blame him for the constant failure in being successful.
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Post by sdc on Dec 6, 2022 14:51:06 GMT -7
At no time have I posted stats don't matter...... The club is well run..... Still waiting on your posting those complaints you had about TT's off season signings...... Are you saying that TT has made the Chargers a “well run” team or that he’s always made the Chargers a “well run” team? It strikes me that you have to look at both things: How TT is performing *today* — because people can grow and improve, and because you have to consider the upside and downside of change — as well as how TT has performed over his tenure. Neither is independently conclusive, and their action (or not) on this front probably cuts to the core of the owners’ value judgments. No one has been able to change the Charger culture from either the HC or GM seat. That’s the main problem from my perspective. The meek and timid have no chance. Maybe it’s time to move on from Telesco. He might be just too nice. Staley seemed to have secret sauce when they first hired him. So far he has been all sizzle no steak. The closest we’ve come is with Bobby Beathard and Boss Ross. Beathard bet the farm and lost. AJ and Marty might’ve have gotten us to the promise land but those two Dickheads couldn’t get along. Now we have a couple of pricks that believe in participation trophies and hugs. Blow it all up and get some dudes that believe in Jihad.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2022 14:55:19 GMT -7
Are you saying that TT has made the Chargers a “well run” team or that he’s always made the Chargers a “well run” team? It strikes me that you have to look at both things: How TT is performing *today* — because people can grow and improve, and because you have to consider the upside and downside of change — as well as how TT has performed over his tenure. Neither is independently conclusive, and their action (or not) on this front probably cuts to the core of the owners’ value judgments. No one has been able to change the Charger culture from either the HC or GM seat. That’s the main problem from my perspective. The meek and timid have no chance. Maybe it’s time to move on from Telesco. He might be just too nice. Staley seemed to have secret sauce when they first hired him. So far he has been all sizzle no streak. The closest we’ve come is with Bobby Beathard and Boss Ross. Beathard bet the farm and lost. AJ and Marty might’ve have gotten us to the promise land but those two Dickheads couldn’t get along. Now we have a couple of pricks that believe in participation trophies and hugs. Blow it all up and get some dudes that believe in Jihad. Just wanted to thank you for wonderfully capturing many of my own feelings and observations. Fully agree. |
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