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Post by woodeye on Sept 27, 2023 21:20:19 GMT -7
The NHL season starts soon. My Sharks are starting over at ground zero. There are bad contracts to sunset. I see some exciting very young players. William Eklund. Shakir Mukhamadullin... Your scrubby team is forewarned.  |
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 28, 2023 6:35:20 GMT -7
The NHL season starts soon. My Sharks are starting over at ground zero. There are bad contracts to sunset. I see some exciting very young players. William Eklund. Shakir Mukhamadullin... Your scrubby team is forewarned. Grier is going to be a very good GM, but the Sharks should be in rebuild for 3-5 years. I see a Lottery pick in their near future.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 28, 2023 8:03:15 GMT -7
The NHL season starts soon. My Sharks are starting over at ground zero. There are bad contracts to sunset. I see some exciting very young players. William Eklund. Shakir Mukhamadullin... Your scrubby team is forewarned. The team jersey guy just quit on that name.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2023 4:11:07 GMT -7
What do you think of Adam Johnson's death frozen?
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2023 5:56:50 GMT -7
What do you think of Adam Johnson's death frozen? I suspect your question is more about neck guards or other protective gear, as opposed to the tragedy of his death. I have not watched the video of that game, or specifically that moment, so I will not express an opinion on it. Way back in the day a goalie got cut by a skate, Clint Malarchuk, and it was quick thinking by trainers that saved his life. I was young and in my playing days when that occurred, it scared every goalie I know. The protective neck collar you see every goalie wearing today is actually a further development from a pad we wore to protect our clavicles from shots. It seemed simple to just add the high collar to gain neck protection. You can see a wide variance in preference, as some goalies went with three inch collars, while others chose much less. I always had mine made at 1.75 inch. Will NHL mandate players wear neck protection? Maybe.....but that will require NHLPA involvement. NHL might go the same route they took with player wearing visor, but my guess is there is talking with NHLPA, see what can be done quickly. Most player will not view this issue with much urgency, so......change will likely be slow.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2023 6:58:43 GMT -7
What do you think of Adam Johnson's death frozen? I suspect your question is more about neck guards or other protective gear, as opposed to the tragedy of his death. I have not watched the video of that game, or specifically that moment, so I will not express an opinion on it. Way back in the day a goalie got cut by a skate, Clint Malarchuk, and it was quick thinking by trainers that saved his life. I was young and in my playing days when that occurred, it scared every goalie I know. The protective neck collar you see every goalie wearing today is actually a further development from a pad we wore to protect our clavicles from shots. It seemed simple to just add the high collar to gain neck protection. You can see a wide variance in preference, as some goalies went with three inch collars, while others chose much less. I always had mine made at 1.75 inch. Will NHL mandate players wear neck protection? Maybe.....but that will require NHLPA involvement. NHL might go the same route they took with player wearing visor, but my guess is there is talking with NHLPA, see what can be done quickly. Most player will not view this issue with much urgency, so......change will likely be slow. I was actually talking about the tragedy of his death as I'm in the group that thinks it was an intentional shot. Sure he didn't mean to kill him but he obviously kicked his leg up. I was mostly curious on your thoughts of the act as I've always heard there is no reason for a hockey player to lift his skates that high, even in the instance of an accidental collision. That was a great response as far as protection though, I was also curious about that. I assume a neck guard will be mandatory eventually and kinda surprised if they don't get implemented this year in the NHL. I don't feel this is something that should be brushed under the rug simply because its a tragedy... For some reason there are alot of players in professional leagues that go to far and have legit anger issues or a complete disregard for their opponent and their safety/health.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2023 7:19:32 GMT -7
I suspect your question is more about neck guards or other protective gear, as opposed to the tragedy of his death. I have not watched the video of that game, or specifically that moment, so I will not express an opinion on it. Way back in the day a goalie got cut by a skate, Clint Malarchuk, and it was quick thinking by trainers that saved his life. I was young and in my playing days when that occurred, it scared every goalie I know. The protective neck collar you see every goalie wearing today is actually a further development from a pad we wore to protect our clavicles from shots. It seemed simple to just add the high collar to gain neck protection. You can see a wide variance in preference, as some goalies went with three inch collars, while others chose much less. I always had mine made at 1.75 inch. Will NHL mandate players wear neck protection? Maybe.....but that will require NHLPA involvement. NHL might go the same route they took with player wearing visor, but my guess is there is talking with NHLPA, see what can be done quickly. Most player will not view this issue with much urgency, so......change will likely be slow. I was actually talking about the tragedy of his death as I'm in the group that thinks it was an intentional shot. Sure he didn't mean to kill him but he obviously kicked his leg up. I was mostly curious on your thoughts of the act as I've always heard there is no reason for a hockey player to lift his skates that high, even in the instance of an accidental collision. That was a great response as far as protection though, I was also curious about that. I assume a neck guard will be mandatory eventually and kinda surprised if they don't get implemented this year in the NHL. I don't feel this is something that should be brushed under the rug simply because its a tragedy... For some reason there are alot of players in professional leagues that go to far and have legit anger issues or a complete disregard for their opponent and their safety/health. If I am asked by Mr. Molson to watch the video of that event in order to facilitate an opinion, and thereby be able to give advice, I will do so. Otherwise I will not be seeing that. I would caution any attempt to get into some player mindset, and determine 'intention'.....it is dangerous step I believe. I will leave that to people far more wise than I. There are many instances where player skate can be above shoulder. The old fashioned hip check produced this regularly. It is the scrum around net that has players down on ice where it gets very dangerous. I believe players are aware of this danger, and act accordingly. I simply find it difficult to believe any player intentionally willingly hurt another, it goes against all experience they have had since 6-8 years old. I believe in NHL, player knows he will be gone from hockey for life if he intentionally injures another.
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Post by moekid on Nov 1, 2023 8:32:59 GMT -7
That was murder
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2023 9:19:17 GMT -7
I was actually talking about the tragedy of his death as I'm in the group that thinks it was an intentional shot. Sure he didn't mean to kill him but he obviously kicked his leg up. I was mostly curious on your thoughts of the act as I've always heard there is no reason for a hockey player to lift his skates that high, even in the instance of an accidental collision. That was a great response as far as protection though, I was also curious about that. I assume a neck guard will be mandatory eventually and kinda surprised if they don't get implemented this year in the NHL. I don't feel this is something that should be brushed under the rug simply because its a tragedy... For some reason there are alot of players in professional leagues that go to far and have legit anger issues or a complete disregard for their opponent and their safety/health. If I am asked by Mr. Molson to watch the video of that event in order to facilitate an opinion, and thereby be able to give advice, I will do so. Otherwise I will not be seeing that. I would caution any attempt to get into some player mindset, and determine 'intention'.....it is dangerous step I believe. I will leave that to people far more wise than I. There are many instances where player skate can be above shoulder. The old fashioned hip check produced this regularly. It is the scrum around net that has players down on ice where it gets very dangerous. I believe players are aware of this danger, and act accordingly. I simply find it difficult to believe any player intentionally willingly hurt another, it goes against all experience they have had since 6-8 years old. I believe in NHL, player knows he will be gone from hockey for life if he intentionally injures another. I think we're lucky this did not happen in the actual NHL and I think it is a wake up call to pro sports in general. I hope he asks you to watch, there is no blood and no obvious injury can be seen, at least from the video I saw. Personally I think involuntary manslaughter would be appropriate but it happened in the UK so who knows... The specifics about charges is sadly getting politicized.
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Post by cthommes on Nov 1, 2023 13:15:21 GMT -7
If I am asked by Mr. Molson to watch the video of that event in order to facilitate an opinion, and thereby be able to give advice, I will do so. Otherwise I will not be seeing that. I would caution any attempt to get into some player mindset, and determine 'intention'.....it is dangerous step I believe. I will leave that to people far more wise than I. There are many instances where player skate can be above shoulder. The old fashioned hip check produced this regularly. It is the scrum around net that has players down on ice where it gets very dangerous. I believe players are aware of this danger, and act accordingly. I simply find it difficult to believe any player intentionally willingly hurt another, it goes against all experience they have had since 6-8 years old. I believe in NHL, player knows he will be gone from hockey for life if he intentionally injures another. I think we're lucky this did not happen in the actual NHL and I think it is a wake up call to pro sports in general. I hope he asks you to watch, there is no blood and no obvious injury can be seen, at least from the video I saw. Personally I think involuntary manslaughter would be appropriate but it happened in the UK so who knows... The specifics about charges is sadly getting politicized. PSA: you saw a short version of the video. There are more complete videos out there that are definitely not tame. Just want to leave this info here, to warn people what they might find if they go looking. |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2023 16:21:49 GMT -7
I think we're lucky this did not happen in the actual NHL and I think it is a wake up call to pro sports in general. I hope he asks you to watch, there is no blood and no obvious injury can be seen, at least from the video I saw. Personally I think involuntary manslaughter would be appropriate but it happened in the UK so who knows... The specifics about charges is sadly getting politicized. PSA: you saw a short version of the video. There are more complete videos out there that are definitely not tame. Just want to leave this info here, to warn people what they might find if they go looking. I have spoken with a good number of people that work here in NHL, and have been told the video is as bad as one would expect.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 2, 2023 5:41:27 GMT -7
Makes sense, I'm sure there are more out there. The one I saw was tame and honestly the act of the "kick" is all you really need to see. All I'm saying is I hope people don't bury their head in the sand and a lesson is learned from it and the victim gets appropriate justice.
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