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Post by frozendisc on Oct 22, 2023 17:24:48 GMT -7
There is nothing to 'get into' on this. The simple fact is every member of the organization tries their hardest to bring the correct answers to every question or decision. It is a really hard job, and missing is part of the job..... Missing repeatedly is the problem So burn it down, and cross your fingers J Spanos gets it right this time......
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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 22, 2023 17:31:17 GMT -7
Missing repeatedly is the problem So burn it down, and cross your fingers J Spanos gets it right this time...... Hoping to get it right the next time is better than knowing it isn’t now.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 22, 2023 17:31:57 GMT -7
I know you know.....and being on the losing side is hard on fans, but you will be back, as you love the competition and unknown that comes with each game. I agree with the premise. But the reality is I neither love the competition, nor do I feel like there is much in the unknown category. The recipe seems to be a skipping record. Play to keep it close, and count on your closers to miraculously pull it off in the end. The problem is we don't have the closers to do that. It's maddening. It's garbage. Sorry. That's where I'm at. The Kings are way more fulfilling to follow, and the Lakers have strong promise. This Chargers group is not worth the effort. I find myself following in the hopes of something new happening. It doesn't. It's lost my interest. This game, there were late drives where we ran the ball on 3rd and too much. And then we punted. Trash. We bent on D, presumably to avoid breaking. Trash. The detractors look like they've swayed the aggressiveness that created excitement in years past. This team is afraid. I don't know where the root of that is. But it's unwatchable. I'm on board to burn it down after this 7 win season. I would have forced Staley to hire a top DC, and let said DC run the defence.....if Staley had rejected the idea, I would have fired him on the spot....two years ago. Your Kings have promise.....but they are young, so mistakes are going to happen. Finding high level consistency is their next step.
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Post by lazylightning on Oct 22, 2023 18:06:44 GMT -7
Seems to happen more often to the Chargers during the Tommy T era. With the acceptance that the Chargers have been a 'really good team' at times over the TT era, has TT not done his job? At what point is it something else preventing the winning so many crave, but never get? Win games to get the respect as a ‘really good team’! Winning games is only analytics that matters to a fan, no?
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Post by boltnut on Oct 22, 2023 19:17:05 GMT -7
Well that was just ugly. I half expected a loss... but thought it would be closer. Kelce with 150 yards and Mahommes with 300 yards in the first half was just ridiculous. They planned for 6 days and came up with that? Changes were made in the 2nd half... so there had to be a contingency plan.
I am no longer expecting this team to be any better than .500 Sad... because I really thought that bringing KM was going to help.
Burn it down at season's end. But don't expect anything better.
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Post by boltnut on Oct 22, 2023 19:18:10 GMT -7
And sadder than sad... apparently Chris Simms knows more about the Chargers than I do. Shoot me now.
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Post by moekid on Oct 22, 2023 20:00:50 GMT -7
I know you know.....and being on the losing side is hard on fans, but you will be back, as you love the competition and unknown that comes with each game. I agree with the premise. But the reality is I neither love the competition, nor do I feel like there is much in the unknown category. The recipe seems to be a skipping record. Play to keep it close, and count on your closers to miraculously pull it off in the end. The problem is we don't have the closers to do that. It's maddening. It's garbage. Sorry. That's where I'm at. The Kings are way more fulfilling to follow, and the Lakers have strong promise. This Chargers group is not worth the effort. I find myself following in the hopes of something new happening. It doesn't. It's lost my interest. This game, there were late drives where we ran the ball on 3rd and too much. And then we punted. Trash. We bent on D, presumably to avoid breaking. Trash. The detractors look like they've swayed the aggressiveness that created excitement in years past. This team is afraid. I don't know where the root of that is. But it's unwatchable. I'm on board to burn it down after this 7 win season. They do t know who they are on offense or defense
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 22, 2023 20:01:23 GMT -7
Well that was just ugly. I half expected a loss... but thought it would be closer. Kelce with 150 yards and Mahommes with 300 yards in the first half was just ridiculous. They planned for 6 days and came up with that? Changes were made in the 2nd half... so there had to be a contingency plan. I am no longer expecting this team to be any better than .500 Sad... because I really thought that bringing KM was going to help.
Burn it down at season's end. But don't expect anything better. I'm honestly shocked at how poorly Herbert is playing... Sure Lombardi had some horrible play calling but at least Herbert seemed to overcome them (most of the time).
Cowboys fans were right about Moore...
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 22, 2023 20:03:08 GMT -7
And sadder than sad... apparently Chris Simms knows more about the Chargers than I do. Shoot me now. Nahhh he just follows the pack... He had a 50/50 shot.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 22, 2023 20:09:20 GMT -7
Staley and Herbert post game.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 5:10:52 GMT -7
I know you know.....and being on the losing side is hard on fans, but you will be back, as you love the competition and unknown that comes with each game. I agree with the premise. But the reality is I neither love the competition, nor do I feel like there is much in the unknown category. The recipe seems to be a skipping record. Play to keep it close, and count on your closers to miraculously pull it off in the end. The problem is we don't have the closers to do that. It's maddening. It's garbage. Sorry. That's where I'm at. The Kings are way more fulfilling to follow, and the Lakers have strong promise. This Chargers group is not worth the effort. I find myself following in the hopes of something new happening. It doesn't. It's lost my interest. This game, there were late drives where we ran the ball on 3rd and too much. And then we punted. Trash. We bent on D, presumably to avoid breaking. Trash. The detractors look like they've swayed the aggressiveness that created excitement in years past.
This team is afraid. I don't know where the root of that is. But it's unwatchable. I'm on board to burn it down after this 7 win season. That's actually an interesting take. It's Staley. Staley Staley Staley. As a head coach you have to win. Its not detractors subtractors or contractors. That all changes when you win. Manage your team in a win, have a bounce back plan when you lose. 2-4 is 2-4, and Staley owns it. Lock, stock, and barrel.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 5:14:11 GMT -7
Seasons over now, time to just sit back and discuss who everyone thinks the next sucker.. err… I mean head coach will be. Another victim added to the countless victims within the Charger coaching meat grinder.. Six games out of seventeen.....and you proclaim it is over. Too funny..... I have told you--no playoffs Staley bye bye. If he has a miracle in him, now would be a good time to start.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 6:51:09 GMT -7
With the acceptance that the Chargers have been a 'really good team' at times over the TT era, has TT not done his job? At what point is it something else preventing the winning so many crave, but never get? Win games to get the respect as a ‘really good team’! Winning games is only analytics that matters to a fan, no? This is where the divide exists..... Pretty much everybody involved in the game where they earn a living from the game, seek respect from their peers. They wish to be respected for how they go about their business. Winning is the goal certainly, but it is understood only one club will be the winner at the end. Winning is not an analytic, it is a singular statistic.
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Post by amped on Oct 23, 2023 7:23:00 GMT -7
Win games to get the respect as a ‘really good team’! Winning games is only analytics that matters to a fan, no? This is where the divide exists..... Pretty much everybody involved in the game where they earn a living from the game, seek respect from their peers. They wish to be respected for how they go about their business. Winning is the goal certainly, but it is understood only one club will be the winner at the end. Winning is not an analytic, it is a singular statistic. That singular statistic is by far the most important one. It puts butts in seats, opens up sponsorships and pays for profit. Funny thing is it also generates respect from your peers.
The Spanos family wants to win but in the context of a balanced budget. Profit margin increase from managing cost is a far more reliable tactic than paying for the best coaching staff.
Spending big bucks is a risk and the Spanos family is risk adverse.
They Spend to the cap every year on players but are far from tops in spending on coaching.
It shows.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 7:46:37 GMT -7
I agree with the premise. But the reality is I neither love the competition, nor do I feel like there is much in the unknown category. The recipe seems to be a skipping record. Play to keep it close, and count on your closers to miraculously pull it off in the end. The problem is we don't have the closers to do that. It's maddening. It's garbage. Sorry. That's where I'm at. The Kings are way more fulfilling to follow, and the Lakers have strong promise. This Chargers group is not worth the effort. I find myself following in the hopes of something new happening. It doesn't. It's lost my interest. This game, there were late drives where we ran the ball on 3rd and too much. And then we punted. Trash. We bent on D, presumably to avoid breaking. Trash. The detractors look like they've swayed the aggressiveness that created excitement in years past.
This team is afraid. I don't know where the root of that is. But it's unwatchable. I'm on board to burn it down after this 7 win season. That's actually an interesting take. It's Staley. Staley Staley Staley. As a head coach you have to win. Its not detractors subtractors or contractors. That all changes when you win. Manage your team in a win, have a bounce back plan when you lose. 2-4 is 2-4, and Staley owns it. Lock, stock, and barrel. It is, and it isn't, all about Staley. What is the problem.....bad defence is the problem, and it has been so the entire time Staley has been HC. A problem TT has refused to acknowledge, and correct, so it seems. What is the fix? This is where it gets tricky......If I am advising the owner, my thought is I like Staley, as HC....but his defence is unquestionably a disaster. So, is it too much (HC and DC), I would advise yes it is. The search for a respected DC that runs a defence that fits the skills of the rostered players starts immediately. Once found, hire him....if Staley protests, fire him. I like Moore as OC, but he seems to have gone a bit conservative.....losing does that. I would tell him he is not on a hot seat, and to let his creativity flow. Try his ideas. At this point, it isn't about being aggressive or conservative, it is about being creative. Embrace the freedom, get your players embracing it, have fun. As fans, we are way on the outside, with very little knowledge of the influence power structure. We simply have no idea who has the big voice in the room. Clearly D Spanos has the biggest, but how involved is he? J Spanos next? Maybe TT next? We can speculate all we want, but in the end, the results are painted on all involved.
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