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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 7:49:25 GMT -7
This is where the divide exists..... Pretty much everybody involved in the game where they earn a living from the game, seek respect from their peers. They wish to be respected for how they go about their business. Winning is the goal certainly, but it is understood only one club will be the winner at the end. Winning is not an analytic, it is a singular statistic. That singular statistic is by far the most important one. It puts butts in seats, opens up sponsorships and pays for profit. Funny thing is it also generates respect from your peers.
The Spanos family wants to win but in the context of a balanced budget. Profit margin increase from managing cost is a far more reliable tactic than paying for the best coaching staff.
Spending big bucks is a risk and the Spanos family is risk adverse.
They Spend to the cap every year on players but are far from tops in spending on coaching.
It shows.
Sorry, not buying that..... Is there any NFL club in financial distress? Winning is still not an analytic.....
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 23, 2023 7:57:37 GMT -7
That singular statistic is by far the most important one. It puts butts in seats, opens up sponsorships and pays for profit. Funny thing is it also generates respect from your peers.
The Spanos family wants to win but in the context of a balanced budget. Profit margin increase from managing cost is a far more reliable tactic than paying for the best coaching staff.
Spending big bucks is a risk and the Spanos family is risk adverse.
They Spend to the cap every year on players but are far from tops in spending on coaching.
It shows.
Sorry, not buying that..... Is there any NFL club in financial distress? Winning is still not an analytic..... Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? I see how you like to debate a topic, you go to the total extreme opposite side of the argument to try and prove a point. Where on earth is anyone talking about financial hardship of a club? It is beyond obvious to everyone but you that Spanos does the bare minimum in running this team... The man doesn't even have his own stadium!
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 8:18:13 GMT -7
Sorry, not buying that..... Is there any NFL club in financial distress? Winning is still not an analytic..... Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? I see how you like to debate a topic, you go to the total extreme opposite side of the argument to try and prove a point. Where on earth is anyone talking about financial hardship of a club? It is beyond obvious to everyone but you that Spanos does the bare minimum in running this team... The man doesn't even have his own stadium! Stadiums ? Pfffffffttttttt. Who needs em ? We look like we are covering people in a corn field anyway.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 8:25:26 GMT -7
Sorry, not buying that..... Is there any NFL club in financial distress? Winning is still not an analytic..... Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? I see how you like to debate a topic, you go to the total extreme opposite side of the argument to try and prove a point. Where on earth is anyone talking about financial hardship of a club? It is beyond obvious to everyone but you that Spanos does the bare minimum in running this team... The man doesn't even have his own stadium! I am not debating a topic, or am I arguing with you. We are simply exchanging viewpoints.....nothing more. If one was to have access to club spending for every club, in totality, my guess is there would be outliers at the top and bottom, but the vast majority would be bunched in the middle. Do the clubs that spend more win more? I have no idea as to what the answer is on that, but my guess is no. I have to assume you believe Spanos would be one of the outliers at the bottom of annual spending. Again, I have no idea, but my guess is they are in the middle, but who knows. It would be very interesting to know the spread, from spending most to spending least. Somehow I suspect it is not as far apart as one might think.
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Post by NYBOLTFAN1 on Oct 23, 2023 8:48:17 GMT -7
In my opinion the Chargers ownership make poor decisions on hiring. A solid owner would look for consultants to find the best fit for the organization. Spano’s has no eye for real talent. Even Marty couldn’t get the job done with a massive amount of talent, he was simply the wrong guy for the job.
It’s not about how much you spend. The Steelers are notoriously tight, build through the draft. They have 6 rings and are 4-2 with a backup caliber QB.
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 23, 2023 9:40:12 GMT -7
Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? I see how you like to debate a topic, you go to the total extreme opposite side of the argument to try and prove a point. Where on earth is anyone talking about financial hardship of a club? It is beyond obvious to everyone but you that Spanos does the bare minimum in running this team... The man doesn't even have his own stadium! I am not debating a topic, or am I arguing with you. We are simply exchanging viewpoints.....nothing more. If one was to have access to club spending for every club, in totality, my guess is there would be outliers at the top and bottom, but the vast majority would be bunched in the middle. Do the clubs that spend more win more? I have no idea as to what the answer is on that, but my guess is no. I have to assume you believe Spanos would be one of the outliers at the bottom of annual spending. Again, I have no idea, but my guess is they are in the middle, but who knows. It would be very interesting to know the spread, from spending most to spending least. Somehow I suspect it is not as far apart as one might think. I see what your saying, I honestly do. I'm sure Bob Kraft spends a boat load of money on the Patriots and he has a dynasty for his efforts. Jerry Jones spends alot (Im sure) and doesn't win... For the most part money isn't the sole factor, I get it. This team is different... This is a small market team in a large market, similar to the Jags. The Jags have to compete with other Florida teams that are more established. We have to compete with every other pro and semi pro team in LA. There never was a "Fight for LA", that fight was over before it began. Spanos has always been in over his head and his frugality is not doing him any favors.
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Post by sonorajim on Oct 23, 2023 9:44:31 GMT -7
And sadder than sad... apparently Chris Simms knows more about the Chargers than I do. Shoot me now. I'm in the same boat. I never thought I was an expert but I believed in the quality of the 2023 Chargers. Quality doesn't play like that. Since I've already proven that I don't know shit about football, Prove me wrong again. Go Bolts! Be the Hollywood misfits movie, win a SB!
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 9:56:43 GMT -7
Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to? I see how you like to debate a topic, you go to the total extreme opposite side of the argument to try and prove a point. Where on earth is anyone talking about financial hardship of a club? It is beyond obvious to everyone but you that Spanos does the bare minimum in running this team... The man doesn't even have his own stadium! I am not debating a topic, or am I arguing with you. We are simply exchanging viewpoints.....nothing more. If one was to have access to club spending for every club, in totality, my guess is there would be outliers at the top and bottom, but the vast majority would be bunched in the middle. Do the clubs that spend more win more? I have no idea as to what the answer is on that, but my guess is no. I have to assume you believe Spanos would be one of the outliers at the bottom of annual spending. Again, I have no idea, but my guess is they are in the middle, but who knows. It would be very interesting to know the spread, from spending most to spending least. Somehow I suspect it is not as far apart as one might think. We don't know what the fancy teams do. We got our head coach for a ham sammich and some warm beer.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 9:59:23 GMT -7
I am not debating a topic, or am I arguing with you. We are simply exchanging viewpoints.....nothing more. If one was to have access to club spending for every club, in totality, my guess is there would be outliers at the top and bottom, but the vast majority would be bunched in the middle. Do the clubs that spend more win more? I have no idea as to what the answer is on that, but my guess is no. I have to assume you believe Spanos would be one of the outliers at the bottom of annual spending. Again, I have no idea, but my guess is they are in the middle, but who knows. It would be very interesting to know the spread, from spending most to spending least. Somehow I suspect it is not as far apart as one might think. I see what your saying, I honestly do. I'm sure Bob Kraft spends a boat load of money on the Patriots and he has a dynasty for his efforts. Jerry Jones spends alot (Im sure) and doesn't win... For the most part money isn't the sole factor, I get it. This team is different... This is a small market team in a large market, similar to the Jags. The Jags have to compete with other Florida teams that are more established. We have to compete with every other pro and semi pro team in LA. There never was a "Fight for LA", that fight was over before it began. Spanos has always been in over his head and his frugality is not doing him any favors. Using frugality is getting nominated. My Stars ! I'm a football fan not an English professor.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 10:08:23 GMT -7
I am not debating a topic, or am I arguing with you. We are simply exchanging viewpoints.....nothing more. If one was to have access to club spending for every club, in totality, my guess is there would be outliers at the top and bottom, but the vast majority would be bunched in the middle. Do the clubs that spend more win more? I have no idea as to what the answer is on that, but my guess is no. I have to assume you believe Spanos would be one of the outliers at the bottom of annual spending. Again, I have no idea, but my guess is they are in the middle, but who knows. It would be very interesting to know the spread, from spending most to spending least. Somehow I suspect it is not as far apart as one might think. We don't know what the fancy teams do. We got our head coach for a ham sammich and some warm beer. How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results.
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Post by amped on Oct 23, 2023 10:37:38 GMT -7
We don't know what the fancy teams do. We got our head coach for a ham sammich and some warm beer. How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results. We can anecdote all we want. Denver just changed ownership and Sean Payton had a shit sandwich of a roster with a lot of dead cap money. But their recent history when Pat Bowen was owner has several Superbowl appearances and a win. (Even got dinged for spending too much)
My confidence Payton will get it turned around is relatively high because he has done it before with another program, and he has us and the raiders in the division.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 10:47:57 GMT -7
We don't know what the fancy teams do. We got our head coach for a ham sammich and some warm beer. How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results. He inherited a culture and offense of crap. Staley ? Not so much.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 23, 2023 10:49:56 GMT -7
How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results. We can anecdote all we want. Denver just changed ownership and Sean Payton had a shit sandwich of a roster with a lot of dead cap money. But their recent history when Pat Bowen was owner has several Superbowl appearances and a win. (Even got dinged for spending too much)
My confidence Payton will get it turned around is relatively high because he has done it before with another program, and he has us and the raiders in the division.
They are starting to talk about Donkver being in the running for the USC QB this draft.....................
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 11:31:16 GMT -7
How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results. We can anecdote all we want. Denver just changed ownership and Sean Payton had a shit sandwich of a roster with a lot of dead cap money. But their recent history when Pat Bowen was owner has several Superbowl appearances and a win. (Even got dinged for spending too much)
My confidence Payton will get it turned around is relatively high because he has done it before with another program, and he has us and the raiders in the division.
I was just yanking Freak's chain....he likes that.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 23, 2023 11:32:52 GMT -7
How much is Denver paying their HC.......too much, eh Jelly sammich pay would get the same results. He inherited a culture and offense of crap. Staley ? Not so much. No, but Staley inherited a 'frugal' owner.....and bad GM.....and bad scouting......and and and
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