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Post by xenos on Mar 21, 2019 18:56:32 GMT -7
At the DT position, yes. Another thing you have to look at is scheme fit. He may do better in Arizona as a 34 DE versus what Bradley wants him to do here with the Chargers. Ideally, a Bradley DT like him needs to free up things for the other guys ie. Bosa and Ingram. Otherwise, teams can just run at us at will and negate our pass rush like what happened towards the end of 2017. Well, apparently Philon and our other DT's/NT's didn't do a good enough job in that department, because Bosa and Ingram sure didn't do squat vs. the Cheatriots... It's difficult enough to beat the Patriots when they have to an extra week to rest and prepare for us. But throw in having no quality linebackers that day, Bradley taking too long to adapt, and our offense doing nothing to help out the defense, it was a cluster mess that day. Edit: hard to rush a guy when he gets the ball out so quickly.
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Post by moekid on Mar 21, 2019 19:00:48 GMT -7
Well, apparently Philon and our other DT's/NT's didn't do a good enough job in that department, because Bosa and Ingram sure didn't do squat vs. the Cheatriots... It's difficult enough to beat the Patriots when they have to an extra week to rest and prepare for us. But throw in having no quality linebackers that day, Bradley taking too long to adapt, and our offense doing nothing to help out the defense, it was a cluster mess that day. Edit: hard to rush a guy when he gets the ball out so quickly. You have to jam the receivers at the line to disrupt the timing but nobody could jam, or even cover, edelman |
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 21, 2019 22:18:50 GMT -7
So a D-lineman was taken out by a double team? And HE's the bad guy? Rather than his compatriots? Or perhaps the lack of LB'ers? Interesting.
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Post by ChargingBolts on Mar 21, 2019 22:41:23 GMT -7
Still such a shame we choked away that Denver game. Win that one and we would have had the #1 seed and the Colts with K.C. going into N.E. then N.E. coming to L.A. Perhaps they still manhandle us and it would have been even more of a painful loss but there was no excuse for what happened at the end of the Denver game.
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Post by NoMoreChillies on Mar 22, 2019 2:13:12 GMT -7
So a D-lineman was taken out by a double team? And HE's the bad guy? Rather than his compatriots? Or perhaps the lack of LB'ers? Interesting. gonna miss him he did show up for some good sacks and pressure usually when Bosa was double teamed. Hope Chargers draft Dexter and he gets the Double teams leaving Bosa to get faster sacks
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Post by woodeye on Mar 22, 2019 2:31:11 GMT -7
Well, apparently Philon and our other DT's/NT's didn't do a good enough job in that department, because Bosa and Ingram sure didn't do squat vs. the Cheatriots... It's difficult enough to beat the Patriots when they have to an extra week to rest and prepare for us. But throw in having no quality linebackers that day, Bradley taking too long to adapt, and our offense doing nothing to help out the defense, it was a cluster mess that day. Edit: hard to rush a guy when he gets the ball out so quickly. I see the issue here as consistency. gusD is looking for DTs and off LOS LBs who have better gap integrity, and do it much more often. A DT or two who is good against both the pass and the run is who we are after. Mebane-JustineJ + depth. |
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Post by sdc on Mar 22, 2019 6:39:08 GMT -7
Except that they don't play the same position. Philon is a decent pass rushing DT, but he's a complete liability against the run. He was one of the main reasons that we lost the first game against the Ravens. All this means is that Justin Jones is replacing him at the 3T position and that we will probably draft a 1 Tech in the draft. Well, I guess that explains it then...so, you're saying Philon is kind of like a poor man's Antwan Barnes...all pass rush and no run stuffing... Comparing a 3/4 outside linebacker to a defensive tackle? Wow.
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Post by xenos on Mar 22, 2019 16:17:07 GMT -7
So a D-lineman was taken out by a double team? And HE's the bad guy? Rather than his compatriots? Or perhaps the lack of LB'ers? Interesting. It has to do with his ability to be stout against the run. He's a decent pass rusher but ultimately a depth guy.
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Post by Chargeroo on Mar 22, 2019 16:56:44 GMT -7
So a D-lineman was taken out by a double team? And HE's the bad guy? Rather than his compatriots? Or perhaps the lack of LB'ers? Interesting. It has to do with his ability to be stout against the run. He's a decent pass rusher but ultimately a depth guy. What you're saying is true but the loss of Philon means we need a 1 tech now. There will always be plays where you want that 1 tech. Of course the ideal thing would be a guy that is stout against the run and can also get after the QB.
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Post by xenos on Mar 22, 2019 17:29:41 GMT -7
It's difficult enough to beat the Patriots when they have to an extra week to rest and prepare for us. But throw in having no quality linebackers that day, Bradley taking too long to adapt, and our offense doing nothing to help out the defense, it was a cluster mess that day. Edit: hard to rush a guy when he gets the ball out so quickly. I see the issue here as consistency. gusD is looking for DTs and off LOS LBs who have better gap integrity, and do it much more often. A DT or two who is good against both the pass and the run is who we are after.Mebane-JustineJ + depth. Pretty much. And you might also be looking at tweeners at the DT position as well. Remember that Mebane was not a NT initially during Bradley's tenure in Seattle. He played 1 Tech next to another NT ie. Rubin.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 22, 2019 17:33:00 GMT -7
I see the issue here as consistency. gusD is looking for DTs and off LOS LBs who have better gap integrity, and do it much more often. A DT or two who is good against both the pass and the run is who we are after.Mebane-JustineJ + depth. Pretty much. And you might also be looking at tweeners at the DT position as well. Remember that Mebane was not a NT initially during Bradley's tenure in Seattle. He played 1 Tech next to another NT ie. Rubin. IMV Mebane gave us some decent snaps last year, with some penetration...just not enough of them. gusD must want some different pieces, ones that he can really move around. Interesting what you say, Xenos. Some snaps at 3TECH for Mebane ? |
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Post by xenos on Mar 22, 2019 17:45:34 GMT -7
Pretty much. And you might also be looking at tweeners at the DT position as well. Remember that Mebane was not a NT initially during Bradley's tenure in Seattle. He played 1 Tech next to another NT ie. Rubin. IMV Mebane gave us some decent snaps last year, with some penetration...just not enough of them. gusD must want some different pieces, ones that he can really move around. Interesting what you say, Xenos. Some snaps at 3TECH for Mebane ? Yeah, that's what he did during his Seahawk days. Obviously, he has transitioned to a 1 Tech NT with us now. Not sure if he can still do it now though.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 23, 2019 2:21:24 GMT -7
IMV Mebane gave us some decent snaps last year, with some penetration...just not enough of them. gusD must want some different pieces, ones that he can really move around. Interesting what you say, Xenos. Some snaps at 3TECH for Mebane ? Yeah, that's what he did during his Seahawk days. Obviously, he has transitioned to a 1 Tech NT with us now. Not sure if he can still do it now though. Well we did sign him. I hope we are smart enough to further reduce his snaps. |
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Post by 909charger on Mar 23, 2019 10:09:02 GMT -7
Maybe Square is coming back. Decent depth.
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Post by moekid on Mar 23, 2019 10:09:55 GMT -7
Yeah, that's what he did during his Seahawk days. Obviously, he has transitioned to a 1 Tech NT with us now. Not sure if he can still do it now though. Well we did sign him. I hope we are smart enough to further reduce his snaps. We signed him to play him less🤷🏾♂️ |
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