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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 10:00:30 GMT -7
This ^ is about as dead on as it gets...... Find a guy that can manage the entire coaching operation at a very high level from start to finish. The only ones from the 2021 candidate pool who check that box is Meyer (in college), Garrett and Pederson. I think you have applied the prerequisite I mentioned in too narrow of a fashion, requiring it to have been displayed already as a HC at the NFL level. I actually think it is what the Bolts thought they were getting when hiring Lynn, as we all remember the statements about Lynn's leadership aspects. While the Lynn hiring has not worked out, do not be surprised if the Bolts decision makers choose another 'unproven' candidate. It really is all about the questions, and answers, in that interview. Daboll seems to be the current media favorite, with the media yapping about Daboll's abilities to further develop Herbert. I would be much more interested in Daboll's answers to developing the offence with subpar OL, perhaps losing Hunter(TE) thereby downgrading that position....or MW leaving, and how that impacts WR....etc etc etc... Herbert is talented, and can get better certainly, but hiring a new HC based solely off of that criteria seems misguided.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 10:02:16 GMT -7
Pretty certain Daboll is an American, while it is his wife that is Canadian. Still. Bad judgment Nope, Canada has many beautiful women. Of course my wife is Norwegian, but I wanted beauty and brains.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 17, 2021 11:07:58 GMT -7
The only ones from the 2021 candidate pool who check that box is Meyer (in college), Garrett and Pederson. I think you have applied the prerequisite I mentioned in too narrow of a fashion, requiring it to have been displayed already as a HC at the NFL level. I actually think it is what the Bolts thought they were getting when hiring Lynn, as we all remember the statements about Lynn's leadership aspects. While the Lynn hiring has not worked out, do not be surprised if the Bolts decision makers choose another 'unproven' candidate. It really is all about the questions, and answers, in that interview. Daboll seems to be the current media favorite, with the media yapping about Daboll's abilities to further develop Herbert. I would be much more interested in Daboll's answers to developing the offence with subpar OL, perhaps losing Hunter(TE) thereby downgrading that position....or MW leaving, and how that impacts WR....etc etc etc... Herbert is talented, and can get better certainly, but hiring a new HC based solely off of that criteria seems misguided. Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 17, 2021 11:14:24 GMT -7
I just learned Daboll is Canadian. Hard pass. Pretty certain Daboll is an American, while it is his wife that is Canadian. Daboll was born in Welland, Ontario, but went to HS in upstate NY and went to the University of Rochester.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 11:40:05 GMT -7
I think you have applied the prerequisite I mentioned in too narrow of a fashion, requiring it to have been displayed already as a HC at the NFL level. I actually think it is what the Bolts thought they were getting when hiring Lynn, as we all remember the statements about Lynn's leadership aspects. While the Lynn hiring has not worked out, do not be surprised if the Bolts decision makers choose another 'unproven' candidate. It really is all about the questions, and answers, in that interview. Daboll seems to be the current media favorite, with the media yapping about Daboll's abilities to further develop Herbert. I would be much more interested in Daboll's answers to developing the offence with subpar OL, perhaps losing Hunter(TE) thereby downgrading that position....or MW leaving, and how that impacts WR....etc etc etc... Herbert is talented, and can get better certainly, but hiring a new HC based solely off of that criteria seems misguided. Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses. But can Daboll manage the entire realm required of a HC in the NFL? That is the big question needing to be determined by the Bolts' decision makers, is it not?
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 17, 2021 11:42:21 GMT -7
I think you have applied the prerequisite I mentioned in too narrow of a fashion, requiring it to have been displayed already as a HC at the NFL level. I actually think it is what the Bolts thought they were getting when hiring Lynn, as we all remember the statements about Lynn's leadership aspects. While the Lynn hiring has not worked out, do not be surprised if the Bolts decision makers choose another 'unproven' candidate. It really is all about the questions, and answers, in that interview. Daboll seems to be the current media favorite, with the media yapping about Daboll's abilities to further develop Herbert. I would be much more interested in Daboll's answers to developing the offence with subpar OL, perhaps losing Hunter(TE) thereby downgrading that position....or MW leaving, and how that impacts WR....etc etc etc... Herbert is talented, and can get better certainly, but hiring a new HC based solely off of that criteria seems misguided. Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses. I lost track of the article but in it Daboll discusses studying opponent D rush / blitz tendencies and how he structures plays to help blocking vs those tendencies. Dabes usually gets it right. Blocking v Ravens yesterday was much better than in their 2019 game. We could use some of that.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 11:43:16 GMT -7
Pretty certain Daboll is an American, while it is his wife that is Canadian. Daboll was born in Welland, Ontario, but went to HS in upstate NY and went to the University of Rochester. Far too close to Toronto for my liking......but having a Canadian leading the Bolts would be quite entertaining.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 11:45:26 GMT -7
Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses. I lost track of the article but in it Daboll discusses studying opponent D rush / blitz tendencies and how he structures plays to help blocking vs those tendencies. Dabes usually gets it right. Blocking v Ravens yesterday was much better than in their 2019 game. We could use some of that. I agree completely. I also believe the Ravens have a fatal flaw in the choice of starting QB, while flashy in his running, he simply lacks enough passing talent, in my humble view.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 17, 2021 12:07:00 GMT -7
Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses. But can Daboll manage the entire realm required of a HC in the NFL? That is the big question needing to be determined by the Bolts' decision makers, is it not? That question can only be answered by results if he's hired. Guaranteed he has well considered responses to any pertinent Q's about a HC's job that TT & Dean know to ask. Dabes has been in NFL 20 years and is a lifelong student of the game. Will he be a good - great HC? His progress through the ranks points in that direction. I suspect that the critical limiting factor will be GM & owner cooperation & support. If they don't sound all in on the hire, he may not decide sign.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 17, 2021 12:27:32 GMT -7
But can Daboll manage the entire realm required of a HC in the NFL? That is the big question needing to be determined by the Bolts' decision makers, is it not? That question can only be answered by results if he's hired. Guaranteed he has well considered responses to any pertinent Q's about a HC's job that TT & Dean know to ask. Dabes has been in NFL 20 years and is a lifelong student of the game. Will he be a good - great HC? His progress through the ranks points in that direction. I suspect that the critical limiting factor will be GM & owner cooperation & support. If they don't sound all in on the hire, he may not decide sign.
Not to get into a semantics level disagreement, but every hiring is a best guess, with results determining how good or bad the guess was. Of course Daboll has all the experiences to put himself in the position to be considered for a HC opportunity, but how he answers will determine if the Bolts' buy into his approach, or simply decide Daboll isn't the answer they seek. It would not surprise me if there were candidates that simply declined interest in the opportunity due to the front office/ownership reputation.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 17, 2021 13:12:42 GMT -7
Again, Daboll has coached across the board on offense, and the Bills oline are not world beaters. It’s pretty apparent that Daboll has taken the lessons that he has learned over the two decades as an NFL assistant and coordinator to develop the Bills offense to play to its strengths and cover its weaknesses. But can Daboll manage the entire realm required of a HC in the NFL? That is the big question needing to be determined by the Bolts' decision makers, is it not? And then we go back to my original response to you - the only candidates that are known are those with prior head coaching experience. And yes, that’s what the Chargers front office needs to determine based on their meetings with Daboll, his proposed staff and his vision for the franchise. Alas, none of us are privy to any of that, but the fact that they will bring him back for a second interview indicates that they liked what they heard / saw at the first meeting. 🍺
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 17, 2021 14:51:40 GMT -7
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 17, 2021 15:10:27 GMT -7
So the update was no update. Seems like it’s down to Daboll and Staley.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 17, 2021 19:51:11 GMT -7
Trade for Sean Payton after Brees retires tomorrow.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 17, 2021 20:04:12 GMT -7
Chargers hiring Staley??!
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