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Post by moekid on May 29, 2019 16:23:44 GMT -7
Since 2001 season the Pats have had one season with less than 10 wins, they had only 9 that year. While your point is fair, clearly the Pats have been beating other teams as well as those in their division. They are in the PO's more often than not because they win in the regular season......and I suspect it is because they are doing things correctly much more than the other teams doing things incorrectly. I wonder if lost draft picks, suspensions and fines would fall under the category of "doing things correctly". The Patriots have done a great job of maximizing a generational QB/Coach combination by beating up on sub-par competition in their division and repeatedly crossing the moral line. It has been a combination of skill, luck and the willingness to do what other teams won't do that has led to the Lombardi collection. One has to wonder what other things they have done that went unnoticed. yes or that were noticed and then destroyed.
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Post by moekid on May 29, 2019 16:24:52 GMT -7
If you think the rest of the teams in the division don't matter, then I have no words for you. NE has won that many because they are in the PO every year due to the suckage around them. Since 2001 season the Pats have had one season with less than 10 wins, they had only 9 that year. While your point is fair, clearly the Pats have been beating other teams as well as those in their division. They are in the PO's more often than not because they win in the regular season......and I suspect it is because they are doing things correctly much more than the other teams doing things incorrectly. they win inside and outside the division at almost the same percentage. people need to put that in their pipes and smoke it.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 29, 2019 21:05:22 GMT -7
Since 2001 season the Pats have had one season with less than 10 wins, they had only 9 that year. While your point is fair, clearly the Pats have been beating other teams as well as those in their division. They are in the PO's more often than not because they win in the regular season......and I suspect it is because they are doing things correctly much more than the other teams doing things incorrectly. they win inside and outside the division at almost the same percentage. people need to put that in their pipes and smoke it. Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) And division games are supposed to be “throw the records out the window because it’s a rivalry”. |
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Post by frozendisc on May 29, 2019 21:06:48 GMT -7
They have some big wins in the playoffs against very good teams (Steelers/Colts come to mind). But an almost guaranteed division title, first round bye and home field at Gillette is certainly an advantage that no other team has had for the past few decades. They have talent, luck and health going for them as well....but the other part is certainly part of the equation (not the only thing, but it is relevant). You have had two fantastic back to back posts. No one else will tell you that on here, I will.
Cruise through the division, get a bye week, then pour it on for two home games.
Major adversity.
Yes, I am not liked very much on here, but it is how life can be. So the Patriots play six games in the division, win them all, then must play 10 games against who knows who......and usually win at least 5, if not more.....yea, they have it easy. I get their division sucks, and that benefits them, but the Patriots have nothing to do with the other teams ineptness.
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Post by frozendisc on May 29, 2019 21:10:51 GMT -7
they win inside and outside the division at almost the same percentage. people need to put that in their pipes and smoke it. Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) Equals 11-5.......and into the PO's......which ended with their Super Bowl win. They now start on the other hand for ring sizing.......pretty smoking I'd say.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 29, 2019 21:16:13 GMT -7
Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) Equals 11-5.......and into the PO's......which ended with their Super Bowl win. They now start on the other hand for ring sizing.......pretty smoking I'd say. Like I said earlier: float through the easy regular season schedule, get focused the last month, earn a first round bye followed by a home game despite a worse record than their wild card opponents, and focus down the stretch. That formula only works when you have a softer than soft division. Cheers! 🍻 |
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Post by chargerfreak on May 30, 2019 2:33:41 GMT -7
You have had two fantastic back to back posts. No one else will tell you that on here, I will.
Cruise through the division, get a bye week, then pour it on for two home games.
Major adversity.
So the Patriots play six games in the division, win them all, then must play 10 games against who knows who......and usually win at least 5, if not more.....yea, they have it easy. I get their division sucks, and that benefits them, but the Patriots have nothing to do with the other teams ineptness. What ? Where did that come from ? I didn't say anything about that in my post. Approved for the freak randomness of it.
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Post by totallybolted on May 30, 2019 5:26:34 GMT -7
Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) Equals 11-5.......and into the PO's......which ended with their Super Bowl win. They now start on the other hand for ring sizing.......pretty smoking I'd say. now now don't get to hasty. You are still the favorite even if Freaks reflection is his.
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Post by LIGHTS OUT on May 30, 2019 6:18:14 GMT -7
Its tough, but they can't be blamed for what division they are in. However, they are EXACTLY what I talk about...........If only the village would listen to me and Belichick.............. Poster: I want to play NE again for revenge !!!! Freak: Not me, give me Buffalo. frozen: You want to play the best to harden yourself for the postseason. Freak: No. I don't WANT to play the best ever, if I can avoid it. Result: Beat to hell and exhausted by the time we get to NE AT NE . There's your "hardened". I know I am once again in the minority here, or alone. Been here before. This debate is an absolute no brainer to me. Leave emotions out, and make good sense. Belichick and I laugh. Hey Bill, would you prefer to play the Chargers, the Rams, KC, and New Orleans OR The Bills and the Jets 4 times each year, every single year.......... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Seriously guys. C'mon. This is a great post for perspective. I have always been one to want revenge games in the regular season, and adversity. You make a good point about that being a waste of time in the NFL. With win or go-home games in the playoffs it is probably better to have home field and a healthier, more rested team than a "hardened" one. I think hardened is better for other sports with 7 game series where you can rely on earlier adversity to get you through the tough times.
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Post by frozendisc on May 30, 2019 8:02:21 GMT -7
Equals 11-5.......and into the PO's......which ended with their Super Bowl win. They now start on the other hand for ring sizing.......pretty smoking I'd say. Like I said earlier: float through the easy regular season schedule, get focused the last month, earn a first round bye followed by a home game despite a worse record than their wild card opponents, and focus down the stretch. That formula only works when you have a softer than soft division. Cheers! 🍻 I just do not see it...."float through the easy regular season" as there really is no easy NFL game. I realize nobody is saying it, but the implications from the postings are that the Patriots sweep their division each and every season, then go win 4 or 5 games outside the division to earn that PO spot and bye week. Too busy to look it up, but I am doubting the Pats sweep their division. Say they win four of the six division games, that means they win seven or eight games outside the division. Is the current AFCE division weak, yep.....but it was not that long ago the AFCW was weak also, did any AFCW teams win multiple Super Bowls during that time frame.....nope. I understand the hate for the Patriots from fans, it seems to be a byproduct of winning too much. I just see a successful organization that maximizes its' position each and every time. The entire cry about the WC team having the better record is entertaining, but also irrelevant under current NFL rules. It simply is what it is.....
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Post by moekid on May 30, 2019 8:13:00 GMT -7
they win inside and outside the division at almost the same percentage. people need to put that in their pipes and smoke it. Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) And division games are supposed to be “throw the records out the window because it’s a rivalry”. Take a bigger sample size. |
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Post by joemcrugby on May 30, 2019 8:54:53 GMT -7
Smokin!! 5-1 against AFC East (lone loss to the 7-9 Fins) 6-4 against the rest (losses to 6-10 Lions, 5-11 Jaguars, 9-7 Titans, 9-6-1 Steelers) And division games are supposed to be “throw the records out the window because it’s a rivalry”. Take a bigger sample size. This will be the third consecutive season that the Patsies have the league’s easiest schedule: 2016 5-1 against the AFC East (83.3% winning) 9-1 against the rest of the league (90.0% winning facing opponents who went 67-90-2 over the season) In neither of the previous two seasons where they had the league’s easiest schedule did the Patriots have a similar record within the division and outside the division. |
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Post by chargerfreak on May 30, 2019 9:55:20 GMT -7
Take a bigger sample size. This will be the third consecutive season that the Patsies have the league’s easiest schedule: 2016 5-1 against the AFC East (83.3% winning) 9-1 against the rest of the league (90.0% winning facing opponents who went 67-90-2 over the season) In neither of the previous two seasons where they had the league’s easiest schedule did the Patriots have a similar record within the division and outside the division. A half a dozen games each and every year is against the jets, buffalo, and Miami. Half of those are at home.
Just think of that.....................................
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Post by moekid on May 30, 2019 9:56:16 GMT -7
Take a bigger sample size. This will be the third consecutive season that the Patsies have the league’s easiest schedule: 2016 5-1 against the AFC East (83.3% winning) 9-1 against the rest of the league (90.0% winning facing opponents who went 67-90-2 over the season) In neither of the previous two seasons where they had the league’s easiest schedule did the Patriots have a similar record within the division and outside the division. Larger sample size beginning with the Brady era. Note: The quoted comes from another source and I haven't checked it: "In this decade the Patriots are 47-13 against the AFC East and 76-24 against the rest of the NFL. That's very very close to the same winning %. The Patriots since 2001 have averaged about 12.3 wins per season. Their win % vs teams in the AFC East is pretty much identical to their win % against teams outside of the AFC East."
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Post by chargerfreak on May 30, 2019 9:57:45 GMT -7
Like I said earlier: float through the easy regular season schedule, get focused the last month, earn a first round bye followed by a home game despite a worse record than their wild card opponents, and focus down the stretch. That formula only works when you have a softer than soft division. Cheers! 🍻 I just do not see it...."float through the easy regular season" as there really is no easy NFL game. I realize nobody is saying it, but the implications from the postings are that the Patriots sweep their division each and every season, then go win 4 or 5 games outside the division to earn that PO spot and bye week. Too busy to look it up, but I am doubting the Pats sweep their division. Say they win four of the six division games, that means they win seven or eight games outside the division. Is the current AFCE division weak, yep.....but it was not that long ago the AFCW was weak also, did any AFCW teams win multiple Super Bowls during that time frame.....nope. I understand the hate for the Patriots from fans, it seems to be a byproduct of winning too much. I just see a successful organization that maximizes its' position each and every time. The entire cry about the WC team having the better record is entertaining, but also irrelevant under current NFL rules. It simply is what it is..... But there really really are easier games puck plucker (I had to proof read THAT about 4 times before posting..........)
Playing Arizona at Home, versus NE away, is a galaxy of difference.
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