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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 17, 2019 11:45:13 GMT -7
Except that's not how 5th year options work now. It just isn't. They’re either agreements or not. If he’s under contract, he’s under contract. If he’s not, he’s not. If he wants to quit playing and retire he can. Ezekiel Elliott has privately said that he’s planning a training-camp holdout
He's been in the league LESS time than Gordon !!!
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 17:15:58 GMT -7
First, paying him the 4th most year 1 of 5 in a league where the contracts have gotten progressively bigger since I've been alive wouldn't be overpaying. It's not gonna be long before the younger stud RBs come due and push him further and further down the list. In 3 years he's likely to be the 8-10th highest paid RB. Second, we both know guaranteed money is all that really matters. It wouldn't matter if the contract were for 150mil total, the team is only ever on the hook for the guaranteed money. Third, even if you nutjobs are right and Gordon should be making McKinnon money, now is the time to overpay. Rivers has a few years left at most. Pay your best players (or your just pretty good starting RB apparently) and keep the core of this SB contender intact. Now is not the time to downgrade because you're worried that in 4 years you might not have money to keep a decrepit Russell Okung or to sign the next Robert Meechum. Gordon is under contract, and as such, he is the one busting up the "core of this SB contender".....not the club. Holding out is a selfish self serving move, and one that no GM should ever reward. TT should just wait this out....... MG3 has missed exactly 0 days of training camp, but tell me more about how he's breaking the team up. |
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 17:18:19 GMT -7
Gordon is under contract, and as such, he is the one busting up the "core of this SB contender".....not the club. Holding out is a selfish self serving move, and one that no GM should ever reward. TT should just wait this out....... Yep. Sign an agreement, keep your word. I'd make an example of him if he mislead us when he signed his contract. I facepalmed so hard I got a bloody nose. Dammit Jim! |
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 18:02:24 GMT -7
Except that's not how 5th year options work now. It just isn't. They’re either agreements or not. If he’s under contract, he’s under contract. If he’s not, he’s not. If he wants to quit playing and retire he can. Or he could get to miss what amounts to a nuisance in training camp, get a fat new contract and help the team win the next 3 Superbowls, all while bringing untold joy to the very same nose pickers that think he should retire or be made an example of for using common business tactics while conducting business. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 17, 2019 19:39:06 GMT -7
Gordon is under contract, and as such, he is the one busting up the "core of this SB contender".....not the club. Holding out is a selfish self serving move, and one that no GM should ever reward. TT should just wait this out....... Yep. Sign an agreement, keep your word. I'd make an example of him if he mislead us when he signed his contract. Handing out some sort of 'punishment' is a slippery slope. You can bet there are other players, on the club and around the league, watching this play out. My thought is don't reward him with a new contract, but don't get carried away with treating him poorly either. Let it play out.....if he sits out until week 10, then welcome him back. End of season decide if you are going to tag him......
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 17, 2019 19:41:20 GMT -7
Gordon is under contract, and as such, he is the one busting up the "core of this SB contender".....not the club. Holding out is a selfish self serving move, and one that no GM should ever reward. TT should just wait this out....... MG3 has missed exactly 0 days of training camp, but tell me more about how he's breaking the team up. Well he isn't yet, and you know that, you are just being an ass......but if he holds out while under contract, he is the issue, not the club.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 17, 2019 19:50:38 GMT -7
You’re asking the following IMO: “Do the right things and you will get overpaid.” On the field, Gordon hasn’t come close to earning a $60 million contract. If he wants a close to top of the league contract after his good (not great) first four seasons, he should follow Ingram’s example of playing out his contract, earn a great new deal, and be rewarded before the start of the 2020 season. If he wants to be paid now, MG will have to settle for a very good contract. First, paying him the 4th most year 1 of 5 in a league where the contracts have gotten progressively bigger since I've been alive wouldn't be overpaying. It's not gonna be long before the younger stud RBs come due and push him further and further down the list. In 3 years he's likely to be the 8-10th highest paid RB. Second, we both know guaranteed money is all that really matters. It wouldn't matter if the contract were for 150mil total, the team is only ever on the hook for the guaranteed money. Third, even if you nutjobs are right and Gordon should be making McKinnon money, now is the time to overpay. Rivers has a few years left at most. Pay your best players (or your just pretty good starting RB apparently) and keep the core of this SB contender intact. Now is not the time to downgrade because you're worried that in 4 years you might not have money to keep a decrepit Russell Okung or to sign the next Robert Meechum. (1) Who is McKinnon? (2) If he wants a new contract based on his four years production, availability and knee injury history, he hasn't earned more than the 4th highest paid RB in the league money. That's on the verge of overpaying IMO, but McGuire, TT and Spanos will be willing to do that. As I noted, if MG wants top of the NFL money, then he needs to play out his fifth season to show that he can put up 1,200+ rushing yards with a better than 4.0 ypc and be available for all of the Chargers game in the same manner that his teammate Melvin Ingram did a few years back. Ingram could have signed a very good contract after year 4, but he wanted a great contract ... and then went out and earned it. Nobody is going to pay MG a "great" contract based on his first four seasons - nobody. (3) Overpaying at RB is one of the most foolhardy decisions that a team can do when dealing with a RB (IMO you never overpay a RB). It's interesting to note that highest paid RB's #1, #3 & #4 each saw their production decline drastically after signing their big deals due to increasing injuries, and it will be interesting to see how it goes with #2 after sitting out a season before signing his big deal. (4) Gordon will be playing for the Chargers in 2019: bank on it. It's all up to MG (not his agent, MG) as to whether it will be (a) a full season after missing training camp (the most likely scenario); (b) playing a shortened season by missing several game checks and paying the $40,000 / practice missed fines but receive credit for the season in order to be eligible for UFA status in 2020; or (c) committing hari kari by holding out the entire season and not getting credit for his fifth season and not be eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2020.
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 19:59:20 GMT -7
MG3 has missed exactly 0 days of training camp, but tell me more about how he's breaking the team up. Well he isn't yet, and you know that, you are just being an ass......but if he holds out while under contract, he is the issue, not the club. The Alchemist would tell you that much can be learned from the ass. If he holds out both sides could share fault. But MG3 won't miss the season because then he can't hit FA and get paid. So all this really amounts to is an opportunity. An opportunity for the Bolts to sign a very good player for a fair price, and for MG3 to get the security he feels (and I agree) he's earned. If Gordon is in the team's plans over the remainder of the Rivers era, it's in their best interest to sign him ASAP. As I've said, the cost of players marches inexorably upward, so he's never going to be cheaper than right now. And if he's just an 8 game rental, they'd better know something about our RBs we don't because now is not the time to let talent walk. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 17, 2019 20:26:47 GMT -7
Well he isn't yet, and you know that, you are just being an ass......but if he holds out while under contract, he is the issue, not the club. The Alchemist would tell you that much can be learned from the ass. If he holds out both sides could share fault. But MG3 won't miss the season because then he can't hit FA and get paid. So all this really amounts to is an opportunity. An opportunity for the Bolts to sign a very good player for a fair price, and for MG3 to get the security he feels (and I agree) he's earned. If Gordon is in the team's plans over the remainder of the Rivers era, it's in their best interest to sign him ASAP. As I've said, the cost of players marches inexorably upward, so he's never going to be cheaper than right now. And if he's just an 8 game rental, they'd better know something about our RBs we don't because now is not the time to let talent walk. You are not being an ass, you are just being difficult. Not a chance in hell the club shares any blame if a player fails to fulfill his contract by holding out. Gordon can sit out until week 10, then he must report in order to get credit for the year. Say he does just that hoping to reach FA, the club can just tag him (for several years) and Gordon would not reach FA. The bold above is the key here, and I suspect Gordon is not in the long term plans.
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Post by headtrip on Jul 17, 2019 20:46:42 GMT -7
The Alchemist would tell you that much can be learned from the ass. If he holds out both sides could share fault. But MG3 won't miss the season because then he can't hit FA and get paid. So all this really amounts to is an opportunity. An opportunity for the Bolts to sign a very good player for a fair price, and for MG3 to get the security he feels (and I agree) he's earned. If Gordon is in the team's plans over the remainder of the Rivers era, it's in their best interest to sign him ASAP. As I've said, the cost of players marches inexorably upward, so he's never going to be cheaper than right now. And if he's just an 8 game rental, they'd better know something about our RBs we don't because now is not the time to let talent walk. You are not being an ass, you are just being difficult. Not a chance in hell the club shares any blame if a player fails to fulfill his contract by holding out. Gordon can sit out until week 10, then he must report in order to get credit for the year. Say he does just that hoping to reach FA, the club can just tag him (for several years) and Gordon would not reach FA. The bold above is the key here, and I suspect Gordon is not in the long term plans. I believe I was just cleverly insulted but I'm not certain. Kudos! They might use the tag for 1 year. If they use it twice they'll be shelling out something like 32mil/2yrs. All parties involved would be way better off negotiating a long term deal. I really hope MG3 is in the long term plans. Yeah he's had some issues with injury he's also been a model pro and he's top 10 at his position. He keeps improving and he'll be in his prime for a few more years. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 18, 2019 3:15:52 GMT -7
First, paying him the 4th most year 1 of 5 in a league where the contracts have gotten progressively bigger since I've been alive wouldn't be overpaying. It's not gonna be long before the younger stud RBs come due and push him further and further down the list. In 3 years he's likely to be the 8-10th highest paid RB. Second, we both know guaranteed money is all that really matters. It wouldn't matter if the contract were for 150mil total, the team is only ever on the hook for the guaranteed money. Third, even if you nutjobs are right and Gordon should be making McKinnon money, now is the time to overpay. Rivers has a few years left at most. Pay your best players (or your just pretty good starting RB apparently) and keep the core of this SB contender intact. Now is not the time to downgrade because you're worried that in 4 years you might not have money to keep a decrepit Russell Okung or to sign the next Robert Meechum. Gordon's hero.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 18, 2019 3:17:32 GMT -7
MG3 has missed exactly 0 days of training camp, but tell me more about how he's breaking the team up. Well he isn't yet, and you know that, you are just being an ass......but if he holds out while under contract, he is the issue, not the club. His Favoriteness.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 18, 2019 3:19:26 GMT -7
Can somebody other than frozenrink tell me week 10 is the cut off for getting credit for a full year ? Where's Joe at, he'll know.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 18, 2019 3:42:20 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 18, 2019 5:22:16 GMT -7
We want nothing to do with any of that. Bad vibes. In Bell's case he left and got a big contract. Don't want any leaving either.
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