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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 18:26:53 GMT -7
What is the reporting date to get service credit? I thought the CFB consensus is week ten. The CFB consensus is rarely wrong, no? It absolutely used to be Week 10 under the old CBA when more than a handful of players played that game of chicken, but nobody under contract has tried to hold out since 2011 when the new CBA was adopted. I have a feeling that everybody was still reporting by the old CBA rules since the new rules haven't been tested over the past 8 seasons. I'm willing to bet that the NFL owners got that concession from the NFLPA so that a true game of chicken would no longer be in effect (i.e., holding the team hostage as opposed to forcing the player and agent make an earlier decision). I'll do some more research, but I can't imagine that an NFL.com reporter (probably the Cowboys beat reporter) would have gotten it wrong with such an important storyline involving "America's Team". Now that I see the 30 days deadline, I can search for it. I promise to post the results of my research after I am finished. Didn't take long and hate to quote myself, but in this case ... Aug. 6 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an accrued season for free agency.operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 19:04:43 GMT -7
What is the reporting date to get service credit? I thought the CFB consensus is week ten. The CFB consensus is rarely wrong, no? It absolutely used to be Week 10 under the old CBA when more than a handful of players played that game of chicken, but nobody under contract has tried to hold out since 2011 when the new CBA was adopted. I have a feeling that everybody was still reporting by the old CBA rules since the new rules haven't been tested over the past 8 seasons. I'm willing to bet that the NFL owners got that concession from the NFLPA so that a true game of chicken would no longer be in effect (i.e., holding the team hostage as opposed to forcing the player and agent make an earlier decision). I'll do some more research, but I can't imagine that an NFL.com reporter (probably the Cowboys beat reporter) would have gotten it wrong with such an important storyline involving "America's Team". Now that I see the 30 days deadline, I can search for it. I promise to post the results of my research after I am finished. It’s a game changer. Literally |
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 19:07:13 GMT -7
Joe, I saw a piece that said it doesn't apply to Gordon because he already has the 4 years of service required to qualify for free agency. Its that 5th year option for first rounders that kills him.
Thoughts?
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 19:17:51 GMT -7
Joe, I saw a piece that said it doesn't apply to Gordon because he already has the 4 years of service required to qualify for free agency. Its that 5th year option for first rounders that kills him. Thoughts? Possibly so. More research necessary, although I'd find it strange to find a different reporting date spelled out in the CBA for a player under option year contract and those under "normal" contracts, especially since the teams must fully guarantee the fifth year 15 months the start of the former 1st round pick's fifth season.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 19:21:42 GMT -7
Joe, I saw a piece that said it doesn't apply to Gordon because he already has the 4 years of service required to qualify for free agency. Its that 5th year option for first rounders that kills him. Thoughts? Link to the piece to help me start the research?
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 19:28:04 GMT -7
No other mention in the NFL Operations date calendar that mentions "option" outside of the deadlines to apply the 5th year option and the PUP designation option deadlines. operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/Still searching, although I have a hunch that it may be something that hadn't been researched by the media before an actual holdout took place, much like the kerfuffle that involved Bosa's agent with the never happened before holdout based on the timing of signing bonus payments and offset language issues. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 26, 2019 19:40:05 GMT -7
Yes we will see him week ten, perhaps before. When the Bolts are winning without MG, what incentive does TT have to make it rain $$$. AL might be thinking , " What's the rush, why not wait to get some fresh legs coming into the season around week ten." Week 10 now means nothing if August 5th is the reporting date for MGIII to get service credit for his 5th season, thereby making him ineligible for free agency in 2020 if he misses that reporting date. It looks like MGIII will almost certainly be in camp well before the Saints joint practice dates. If it is actually Aug 5th, then Gordon should beat the crap out of his agent for getting him into this mess. Gordon has NO leverage.....none.....get in camp, you are under contract.
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 19:41:12 GMT -7
Joe, I saw a piece that said it doesn't apply to Gordon because he already has the 4 years of service required to qualify for free agency. Its that 5th year option for first rounders that kills him. Thoughts? Link to the piece to help me start the research? Trying to find it again which shouldn’t be as hard as it’s proving to be. |
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 19:42:41 GMT -7
No other mention in the NFL Operations date calendar that mentions "option" outside of the deadlines to apply the 5th year option except for PUP designation option deadlines. operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/Still searching, although I have a hunch that it may be something that hadn't been researched by the media before an actual holdout took place, much like the kerfuffle that involved Bosa's agent with the never happened before holdout based on the timing of signing bonus payments and offset language issues. Speaking of Bosa does his hold out mean he didn’t get his first season accrued? |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 19:46:41 GMT -7
No other mention in the NFL Operations date calendar that mentions "option" outside of the deadlines to apply the 5th year option except for PUP designation option deadlines. operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2019-20-important-nfl-dates/Still searching, although I have a hunch that it may be something that hadn't been researched by the media before an actual holdout took place, much like the kerfuffle that involved Bosa's agent with the never happened before holdout based on the timing of signing bonus payments and offset language issues. Speaking of Bosa does his hold out mean he didn’t get his first season accrued? Bosa wasn't under contract when he held out, so he does get the first season accrual as he signed before the season started. I believe that Week 10 deadline still holds for players not under contract (i.e., franchise tag, RFA, etc.).
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 20:30:29 GMT -7
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 20:43:16 GMT -7
It doesn't cite specific rules in the CBA or NFL Operations, but if it's accurate it does point to a specific exception to normal contract principles that I was looking for. Thanks for that link. It also explains the massive $40,000 / day fines that can be levied on a player should a player not report. Holding out until Week 10 would mean that even if he reports in Week 10, he'd be playing for free the remainder of the season in order to accrue his fifth season of service credit. As such, even in this scenario the leverage remains with the team which is why the owners agreed to allow the reporting date be Week 10 for 5th year options. MGIII will report soon after training camp ends (if not before) unless his agent is more dense that Antonio Gates' NBA agent who advised Gates that the team could waive the missed reporting date when he was an exclusive rights free agent, resulting in his missing the season opener against Dallas. They will come to terms in time for the season. 
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 26, 2019 20:54:04 GMT -7
It doesn't cite specific rules in the CBA or NFL Operations, but if it's accurate it does point to a specific exception to normal contract principles that I was looking for. Thanks for that link. It also explains the massive $40,000 / day fines that can be levied on a player should a player not report. Holding out until Week 10 would mean that even if he reports in Week 10, he'd be playing for free the remainder of the season in order to accrue his fifth season of service credit. As such, even in this scenario the leverage remains with the team which is why the owners agreed to allow the reporting date be Week 10 for 5th year options. MGIII will report soon after training camp ends (if not before) unless his agent is more dense that Antonio Gates' NBA agent who advised Gates that the team could waive the missed reporting date when he was an exclusive rights free agent, resulting in his missing the season opener against Dallas. They will come to terms in time for the season. Sounds like Mr. Gordon will be getting an education on the business side of this enterprise.....hope he doesn't get fixed in his view and refuses to change it.
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Post by moekid on Jul 26, 2019 22:28:23 GMT -7
It doesn't cite specific rules in the CBA or NFL Operations, but if it's accurate it does point to a specific exception to normal contract principles that I was looking for. Thanks for that link. It also explains the massive $40,000 / day fines that can be levied on a player should a player not report. Holding out until Week 10 would mean that even if he reports in Week 10, he'd be playing for free the remainder of the season in order to accrue his fifth season of service credit. As such, even in this scenario the leverage remains with the team which is why the owners agreed to allow the reporting date be Week 10 for 5th year options. MGIII will report soon after training camp ends (if not before) unless his agent is more dense that Antonio Gates' NBA agent who advised Gates that the team could waive the missed reporting date when he was an exclusive rights free agent, resulting in his missing the season opener against Dallas. They will come to terms in time for the season. The 2005 Gates fiasco came to mind immediately |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 26, 2019 22:38:36 GMT -7
It doesn't cite specific rules in the CBA or NFL Operations, but if it's accurate it does point to a specific exception to normal contract principles that I was looking for. Thanks for that link. It also explains the massive $40,000 / day fines that can be levied on a player should a player not report. Holding out until Week 10 would mean that even if he reports in Week 10, he'd be playing for free the remainder of the season in order to accrue his fifth season of service credit. As such, even in this scenario the leverage remains with the team which is why the owners agreed to allow the reporting date be Week 10 for 5th year options. MGIII will report soon after training camp ends (if not before) unless his agent is more dense that Antonio Gates' NBA agent who advised Gates that the team could waive the missed reporting date when he was an exclusive rights free agent, resulting in his missing the season opener against Dallas. They will come to terms in time for the season. The 2005 Gates fiasco came to mind immediately Message to MGIII: Don't trust Bilbo to be looking after your best interests. Hopefully this message connects.
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