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Post by totallybolted on Dec 19, 2019 13:29:02 GMT -7
SDC Brees even at his best here never even remotely approached NO Brees. And Rivers has been quite good at QB for the Chargers, just not lately. But you know that. Your post makes it sound like we've suffered 14 seasons of a far inferior quarterback compared to the one we had. Fair enough. Hyperbole admitted. Though, I think the issue with Brees here was more do with his height than his pocket composer. PR was fine really until he got his knee hurt. He couldn't run after. So lets blame the OL. That works for everything
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 19, 2019 13:34:11 GMT -7
Oh, hell. I thought it was recency bias because Brees injured his arm, there were doctors that said his whole career was over, we had Rivers on the bench, and it was a no brainer to let Brees go. 32 out of 32 teams would have done the same thing.
My bad.
You mean 30 out of 32... NO and the Dolphins both took a gamble, and the Saints won. You guys are getting way to sensitive about this... Whats done is done, it was almost 15 years ago. I don't blame AJ for letting Brees go, although I do think he was a moron for fighting Marty over Brees Vs. Rivers. I thought he was a moron for arguing with Marty over hiring his son as OC and more sop for benching Gates. We lost to Dallas as a result and if my memory is correct, we missed the PO by one game that year.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 19, 2019 14:31:06 GMT -7
SDC Brees even at his best here never even remotely approached NO Brees. Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 19, 2019 15:05:57 GMT -7
SDC Brees even at his best here never even remotely approached NO Brees. Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. /agreed Its literally the same Brees. He was a pro bowler with the Chargers too.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 19, 2019 15:12:18 GMT -7
You mean 30 out of 32... NO and the Dolphins both took a gamble, and the Saints won. You guys are getting way to sensitive about this... Whats done is done, it was almost 15 years ago. I don't blame AJ for letting Brees go, although I do think he was a moron for fighting Marty over Brees Vs. Rivers. I thought he was a moron for arguing with Marty over hiring his son as OC and more sop for benching Gates. We lost to Dallas as a result and if my memory is correct, we missed the PO by one game that year. Brees was Marty's guy and PR was AJ's guy. Makes sense why that was the case too... Its all about AJ's famous ego, he made the trade for PR after getting dissed by the Mannings, so he had to show the NFL he won the trade and got the better guy. Can't do that with a successful pro bowl QB in Brees... Brees shoulder injury was sheer luck for AJ, nobody can truly blame him for letting Brees go. That man screwed up this team in so many different ways... Makes me sick to this day!
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 20, 2019 3:58:14 GMT -7
Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. /agreed Its literally the same Brees. He was a pro bowler with the Chargers too. Can you believe Brees was picked in the Second Round ?? Crazy. Atlanta traded us for the first pick overall and took Michael Vick. We picked LT with the 5th pick. Pretty damn good 1st and 2nd Round picks !!!!!!!!
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 20, 2019 5:03:59 GMT -7
/agreed Its literally the same Brees. He was a pro bowler with the Chargers too. Can you believe Brees was picked in the Second Round ?? Crazy. Atlanta traded us for the first pick overall and took Michael Vick. We picked LT with the 5th pick. Pretty damn good 1st and 2nd Round picks !!!!!!!! Yep, RIP John Butler.
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Post by moekid on Dec 20, 2019 9:54:58 GMT -7
/agreed Its literally the same Brees. He was a pro bowler with the Chargers too. Can you believe Brees was picked in the Second Round ?? Crazy. Atlanta traded us for the first pick overall and took Michael Vick. We picked LT with the 5th pick. Pretty damn good 1st and 2nd Round picks !!!!!!!! We also got Tim Dwight from Atlanta in that trade. He was a Wes Welker/Edelman type before those guys were in the league.
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Post by cthommes on Dec 20, 2019 22:16:21 GMT -7
SDC Brees even at his best here never even remotely approached NO Brees. Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. Lol. Ok, we'll throw out hot garbage 02-03 Brees, and fair-to-middling 05 Brees. So were going for besties. Rivers destroyed 04 Brees in several seasons, including the very last one. But that's not the point. This isn't about Rivers vs. Brees, this is about pining for a Brees that we never had. There's absolutely no question that NO Brees is orders of magnitude superior to SDC Brees. Or, I should say, if you do question that, you haven't been paying attention -- or are succumbing to recency bias and revisionist history (as I'd already posited). But humor me if you could. When Brees set that sweet 29 of 30 single game record completion rate record, who did he displace, and by how much did he displace the displaced?
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 21, 2019 3:30:27 GMT -7
Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. Lol. Ok, we'll throw out hot garbage 02-03 Brees, and fair-to-middling 05 Brees. So were going for besties. Rivers destroyed 04 Brees in several seasons, including the very last one. But that's not the point. This isn't about Rivers vs. Brees, this is about pining for a Brees that we never had. There's absolutely no question that NO Brees is orders of magnitude superior to SDC Brees. Or, I should say, if you do question that, you haven't been paying attention -- or are succumbing to recency bias and revisionist history (as I'd already posited). But humor me if you could. When Brees set that sweet 29 of 30 single game record completion rate record, who did he displace, and by how much did he displace the displaced? I won't cheat and look it up. But I do remember last year Rivers had a crazy straight completions in a row game. Was that the record ?
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Post by cthommes on Dec 21, 2019 5:35:12 GMT -7
Lol. Ok, we'll throw out hot garbage 02-03 Brees, and fair-to-middling 05 Brees. So were going for besties. Rivers destroyed 04 Brees in several seasons, including the very last one. But that's not the point. This isn't about Rivers vs. Brees, this is about pining for a Brees that we never had. There's absolutely no question that NO Brees is orders of magnitude superior to SDC Brees. Or, I should say, if you do question that, you haven't been paying attention -- or are succumbing to recency bias and revisionist history (as I'd already posited). But humor me if you could. When Brees set that sweet 29 of 30 single game record completion rate record, who did he displace, and by how much did he displace the displaced? I won't cheat and look it up. But I do remember last year Rivers had a crazy straight completions in a row game. Was that the record ? See folks, that's integrity right there. Say what you want about Freak's sexual proclivities, but never question his integrity. Well almost never. Most of the time. Maybe 50/50. Your memory serves you well, yes that was the game. The difference was about one tenth of one percent. Note: the 25 consecutive completions in a single game record still stands.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 21, 2019 6:09:46 GMT -7
Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. Lol. Ok, we'll throw out hot garbage 02-03 Brees, and fair-to-middling 05 Brees. So were going for besties. Rivers destroyed 04 Brees in several seasons, including the very last one. But that's not the point. This isn't about Rivers vs. Brees, this is about pining for a Brees that we never had. There's absolutely no question that NO Brees is orders of magnitude superior to SDC Brees. Or, I should say, if you do question that, you haven't been paying attention -- or are succumbing to recency bias and revisionist history (as I'd already posited). But humor me if you could. When Brees set that sweet 29 of 30 single game record completion rate record, who did he displace, and by how much did he displace the displaced? No it never was about Rivers Vs. Brees
Nobody is pining for a Brees we never had, we're discussing a "what could of been" with a player equally as talented as PR but a better decision maker. 2004 was an interesting draft for many obvious reasons, but IMO we sold our Superbowl chances for AJ's ego.
NO Brees had better coaching and in present day still has better coaching but also more experience... Its ignorant to think NO Brees is not "better"
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 21, 2019 10:05:57 GMT -7
Actually the discussion was pocket composer. Not numbers, not wins, not anything else. Not even who has the better memory. To me, Brees had better composer than PR. Granted its hard to compare two different players playing in different years, and frankly PR has been playing behind mostly garbage since 2012.
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Post by moekid on Dec 21, 2019 10:47:12 GMT -7
Hmmmmmmmm, ....."remotely" huh. There have been a lot of QB Stat friendly rule changes since 2004, but Brees had 27 TD's and a 104.8 QB rating that year. Not too shabby. Lol. Ok, we'll throw out hot garbage 02-03 Brees, and fair-to-middling 05 Brees. So were going for besties. Rivers destroyed 04 Brees in several seasons, including the very last one. But that's not the point. This isn't about Rivers vs. Brees, this is about pining for a Brees that we never had. There's absolutely no question that NO Brees is orders of magnitude superior to SDC Brees. Or, I should say, if you do question that, you haven't been paying attention -- or are succumbing to recency bias and revisionist history (as I'd already posited). But humor me if you could. When Brees set that sweet 29 of 30 single game record completion rate record, who did he displace, and by how much did he displace the displaced? You realize that Rivers couldn’t beat out Brees for the starting job, right?
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Post by cthommes on Dec 21, 2019 11:15:33 GMT -7
Actually the discussion was pocket composer. Not numbers, not wins, not anything else. Not even who has the better memory. To me, Brees had better composer than PR. Granted its hard to compare two different players playing in different years, and frankly PR has been playing behind mostly garbage since 2012. Heh. Pocket composure has the prerequisite of a pocket, doesn't it?
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