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Post by eaterfan on Dec 17, 2019 7:36:39 GMT -7
You don't have to hit. I think Goff is pretty bad and Wentz isn't very good. Dak is fine. I would have taken prime Rivers over any of them. But they were cheap and allowed their teams to surround them with incredible talent.
How many years does Rivers have left? We have to get a new QB at some point very soon. Might as well do it while we still have talent to surround him instead of having to get a QB and surround him with talent.
We've had Brees and Rivers for basically the last 20 years and haven't sniffed the Superbowl. A franchise QB is great. But obviously it's not enough. I trust this front office to draft a franchise QB more I trust Rivers to win a Superbowl going forward.
I'll also add that Trubisky sucks and they won the division last year. He might be there worst QB in the league.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 17, 2019 7:39:00 GMT -7
Sarcasm boys......MW is not going anywhere. TB: The lack of targets is an issue I have with the Bolts, and one reason AL would be gone. We saw the force feeding the ball to Gordon when his tantrum ended, and it jacked a successful running game. KA gets the same treatment....love the player, but his sulking when he isn't getting targeted is weak. This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team. TB: as to your side note comment, I could not agree more. I hate that Rivers plays master strategist every single play, as the clock runs down to zero. Run the play as called, pretty simple. If Rivers refuses to adjust, walk from him now. In fairness to Rivers, I get the need to try and play to the strengths of his side versus playing into the strength of the defence. Bottom line is everyone needs to play the system the coaching staff wants, if you won't.... then good bye, star or not. I am very much old school, and the coaches run the show, not the players.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 17, 2019 7:41:27 GMT -7
Its hard to argue a good QB in not a requirement. My hope is that we have a good QB who is not a franchise cap killer. that is what I am talking about. If Balt wins it all this year, it would prove my point too. Seattle did it with Wilson, Pilly did it with Goff/Foles, There are others. Its not the only way, I get that. but the bolts have an opportunity to go that route Ideally, you never pay big dollars to star players after their ELC ends.....just replace them. Need to be very good at drafting, which the Bolts are only so so at.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 17, 2019 7:45:39 GMT -7
Its hard to argue a good QB in not a requirement. My hope is that we have a good QB who is not a franchise cap killer. that is what I am talking about. If Balt wins it all this year, it would prove my point too. Seattle did it with Wilson, Pilly did it with Goff/Foles, There are others. Its not the only way, I get that. but the bolts have an opportunity to go that route That was my point.
I'm not picking sides in the Rivers versus draft war. YET
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 17, 2019 7:48:32 GMT -7
This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team. TB: as to your side note comment, I could not agree more. I hate that Rivers plays master strategist every single play, as the clock runs down to zero. Run the play as called, pretty simple. If Rivers refuses to adjust, walk from him now. In fairness to Rivers, I get the need to try and play to the strengths of his side versus playing into the strength of the defence. Bottom line is everyone needs to play the system the coaching staff wants, if you won't.... then good bye, star or not. I am very much old school, and the coaches run the show, not the players. PR is a smart QB. No doubt. That method of adjusting at the line is not new, it works. Hell everyone knows the pats did it from the sidelines when the mics were supposed to be off. Potatohead did it as well. So I can't say it's all on him. I just think he wanted to throw more than anything else so he could carry the team. To me that sends a message. Plus I think it clearly takes away from any game plan made going in. If the bolts keep him, I'm ok with that as long as they have his replacement in tow. I'd prefer he play for real cheap so the team can load up on the talent.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 17, 2019 7:52:26 GMT -7
Its hard to argue a good QB in not a requirement. My hope is that we have a good QB who is not a franchise cap killer. that is what I am talking about. If Balt wins it all this year, it would prove my point too. Seattle did it with Wilson, Pilly did it with Goff/Foles, There are others. Its not the only way, I get that. but the bolts have an opportunity to go that route That was my point.
I'm not picking sides in the Rivers versus draft war. YET
I'm ready to move on, but inside I know PR is one heck of a talent. I have enjoyed him as a Bolt. But he unfortunately can be one horrible liability too.
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Post by NYBOLTFAN1 on Dec 17, 2019 7:56:54 GMT -7
Whole lotta' purple in that crowd...
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 17, 2019 7:59:26 GMT -7
Whole lotta' purple in that crowd... Is that a suggestion on how to fix things?
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 17, 2019 8:17:28 GMT -7
Literally half those guys are on Rookie deals. Baltimore moved on from their Superbowl winning QB to start Mahomes, KC moved on from Alex Smith, and Dallas moved on from their franchise QB, Romo. I think your argument helps his point. The next point is WHEN you transition you have to hit on it. You have Rivers in your pocket, do you instead trust our front office to draft the next Mahomes ?
Well, do you ?
This is why I'm saying we are already in "QB hell"... PR is a talent but our record does not match that talent. Yes it is a team sport, but it can be argued many of our losses were because of PR and the offense. We did not have the defense to make up for the offensive shortcomings this season and it obviously shows. You will not win many games or make the Pro Bowl leading the league in INT's... PR was a talent... Not sure about that anymore. Do I trust our GM to draft a competent QB? Depends on the draft position, but I'd say no. We might be the the next Cleveland Browns or Miami Dolphins for the foreseeable future until the team moves to a city that wants them or Spanos sells the team.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 17, 2019 8:20:16 GMT -7
That was my point.
I'm not picking sides in the Rivers versus draft war. YET
I'm ready to move on, but inside I know PR is one heck of a talent. I have enjoyed him as a Bolt. But he unfortunately can be one horrible liability too. Fair enough and thanks for the honest opinion.
I feel you, and all that now believe this as well.
I can't shake the feeling that the guy who never won a ring may now be the reason he doesn't. Its either time, or he has game left. Its the hardest call to make for an NFL team. I believe they will make the call to bring him back. Pure guess only. The roster is too good. They will take another shot. If the roster was bad---rebuild starting with his contract, bye bye, and draft.
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Post by NYBOLTFAN1 on Dec 17, 2019 8:55:16 GMT -7
Whole lotta' purple in that crowd... Is that a suggestion on how to fix things? Yes, limit the amount of opposing team fans into the stadium. Solution: More Charger fans attend the games than the opposing teams fans. How do we do that? Sell the team to an owner that puts the team and it's fans FIRST.
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Post by sonorajim on Dec 17, 2019 11:57:57 GMT -7
Literally half those guys are on Rookie deals. Baltimore moved on from their Superbowl winning QB to start Mahomes, KC moved on from Alex Smith, and Dallas moved on from their franchise QB, Romo. I think your argument helps his point. The next point is WHEN you transition you have to hit on it. You have Rivers in your pocket, do you instead trust our front office to draft the next Mahomes ?
Well, do you ?
I don't want Rivers, see no reason to expect a Mahomes clone. I would like to draft a young QB who enjoys the game & does not get rattled under pressure. We can work with a QB who isn't screwing things up. Put a quality run blocking OL on the field, run the effin' ball and let the kid make the easy plays that a dominant run game opens up. Meanwhile, if the D is hitting on all cylinders and STs are decent, we don't need a wild ass scoring offense to be a playoff contender. We just need an O that plays with some composure, doesn't get themselves in trouble.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 17, 2019 12:25:11 GMT -7
The next point is WHEN you transition you have to hit on it. You have Rivers in your pocket, do you instead trust our front office to draft the next Mahomes ?
Well, do you ?
I don't want Rivers, see no reason to expect a Mahomes clone. I would like to draft a young QB who enjoys the game & does not get rattled under pressure. We can work with a QB who isn't screwing things up. Put a quality run blocking OL on the field, run the effin' ball and let the kid make the easy plays that a dominant run game opens up. Meanwhile, if the D is hitting on all cylinders and STs are decent, we don't need a wild ass scoring offense to be a playoff contender. We just need an O that plays with some composure, doesn't get themselves in trouble.
And what does it take to do that class ?? Let's raise our hands now. Ok, Jimmy I see your hand, you go first.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 17, 2019 17:56:16 GMT -7
Is that a suggestion on how to fix things? Yes, limit the amount of opposing team fans into the stadium. Solution: More Charger fans attend the games than the opposing teams fans. How do we do that? Sell the team to an owner that puts the team and it's fans FIRST. Ha ha ha......it is a business, and making money comes first. Spanos made plenty by moving from SD.....he can afford to ignore the fans for a few years.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 17, 2019 18:01:22 GMT -7
The next point is WHEN you transition you have to hit on it. You have Rivers in your pocket, do you instead trust our front office to draft the next Mahomes ?
Well, do you ?
I don't want Rivers, see no reason to expect a Mahomes clone. I would like to draft a young QB who enjoys the game & does not get rattled under pressure. We can work with a QB who isn't screwing things up. Put a quality run blocking OL on the field, run the effin' ball and let the kid make the easy plays that a dominant run game opens up. Meanwhile, if the D is hitting on all cylinders and STs are decent, we don't need a wild ass scoring offense to be a playoff contender. We just need an O that plays with some composure, doesn't get themselves in trouble.
Your frustrations are causing you to no think clearly. The belief that all this is on Rivers, so get rid of him and find a new QB, and all will be great......ridiculous. Fix that crappy OL group and all will be better......not great, better. Rivers needs to be brought back in line, and if he refuses to conform, bye bye.....hello QB hell.
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