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Post by sonorajim on Dec 16, 2019 10:03:26 GMT -7
" Fixing it for 2020: What would you do?" As an owner, I would get a read on Phillip. If Rivers is ready to retire then clean out the front office starting with TT and put all staff/coaches on notice that they need to reapply to keep their jobs. For the players I would pay Bosa and rebuild both lines. Draft Rivers replacement in 2020 or tank the season and draft the QB in 2021. If Phillip wants to play, then resign him. Put the front office and coaches on notice that 2020 is the year, or else... For players, same moves. Pay Bosa, rebuild both lines, and draft Rivers' replacement. The overwhelming presumption is that TT is the problem in the FO.......I suspect he is not. I'd guess J. Spanos heads up the draft group. Whether or not he overrides good advice, does not get good advice, or some of each is hard to say. Scout evals, team personnel evals, coach- GM- VP draft priority(ies) have produced a lot of quality players who are not winning as a team. I don't think there's anything simple about it but 1st, we need the right guy in charge with a clear, unobstructed view of building a winner.
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Post by eaterfan on Dec 16, 2019 12:59:07 GMT -7
I don't know who is in charge, but the Chargers need to find someone who can either evaluate the OL position or develop it. Preferably they get at least one of each.
I'd get rid of Lynn. It's too bad, because I don't think he's a complete failure. I think he's a pretty good manager of men, but the playing time decisions and the in game decisions are head scratching and not improving.
This team has a lot of talent, especially at some important skill positions. This isn't a complete dumpster fire.
I'd bring back Rivers if there is a cheap deal available. I think with a decent OL he'll be fine. Free up some money for the OL by letting MG walk. If Rivers is so expensive that he prohibits the improvement of the OL then it's time to move on.
A cheap QB on a rookie deal will allow the Chargers to upgrade the OL, DL, and hopefully a CB. With a bad rookie QB we may be looking at being a team like the Bears. If the rookie is good then I'm hoping it will be more like Baltimore.
Allen, Williams, Henry, Ekeler, and Jones are a solid foundation for any offense.
Bosa, Ingram, and James are the start of a very good defense. Having 4-5 years of cheap QB play to fill in holes around those guys will be extremely helpful.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 16, 2019 13:23:40 GMT -7
Less notable..... Culkin, Hardison, Cantrell, Scott, Kendricks, Williams, Groy, Drango, Pope and Rochell...... There are others with their contract ending this season. TT will have his work to do, as these decisions will loom large on 2020's roster. You are cutting Mike Williams ?? MW is under contract until 2022.......but he better start scoring TD's or the axe might slip.
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Post by NoMoreChillies on Dec 16, 2019 15:13:20 GMT -7
You are cutting Mike Williams ?? MW is under contract until 2022.......but he better start scoring TD's or the axe might slip. MW catches almost everything thrown his way, problem is the guy not throwing his way in the endzone
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 16, 2019 15:44:02 GMT -7
MW is under contract until 2022.......but he better start scoring TD's or the axe might slip. MW catches almost everything thrown his way, problem is the guy not throwing his way in the endzone MW was the target in the endzone on one of PR's last picks. injustsayin' Actually, he was has been targeted more in these last 3 games than he has all year. Too little too late. Agree with you, I think it's no his fault on the targets. Unless for some reason he in not getting open in the endzone and we are not seeing it.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 16, 2019 16:23:54 GMT -7
Sarcasm boys......MW is not going anywhere.
TB: The lack of targets is an issue I have with the Bolts, and one reason AL would be gone. We saw the force feeding the ball to Gordon when his tantrum ended, and it jacked a successful running game. KA gets the same treatment....love the player, but his sulking when he isn't getting targeted is weak.
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Post by Chargeroo on Dec 16, 2019 18:46:30 GMT -7
I've been a fan of Rivers for a long time but the last 5 games have convinced me he's done. I would not sign him to a new contract. If they play it right, they could bounce back next year.
I'm not so sure the door has closed. Let Rivers go and you have a nice bunch of money to land some help for the OL, maybe a LB or DT. Then draft a #3 WR and see how much you can do with Tyrod at QB. He's not known for serving up picks and with a better OL he could put us back in the running.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 16, 2019 21:18:25 GMT -7
Sarcasm boys......MW is not going anywhere. TB: The lack of targets is an issue I have with the Bolts, and one reason AL would be gone. We saw the force feeding the ball to Gordon when his tantrum ended, and it jacked a successful running game. KA gets the same treatment....love the player, but his sulking when he isn't getting targeted is weak. This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 16, 2019 21:27:51 GMT -7
I've been a fan of Rivers for a long time but the last 5 games have convinced me he's done. I would not sign him to a new contract. If they play it right, they could bounce back next year. I'm not so sure the door has closed. Let Rivers go and you have a nice bunch of money to land some help for the OL, maybe a LB or DT. Then draft a #3 WR and see how much you can do with Tyrod at QB. He's not known for serving up picks and with a better OL he could put us back in the running. The bolts and PR have not had any talks, his age, his performance this year, the lack of the LA buy in (Still lives in SD)… doesn't look like the bolts are going to even try. Tyrod is not the answer. To Disc's point, the bolts could end up in QB hell, but picking 8th or lower with the possibility of moving up may help. Maybe Tyrod, is what they do for 2020 and with OL as well as a few other weaknesses strengthened Tyrod plays up.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 17, 2019 2:36:38 GMT -7
Sarcasm boys......MW is not going anywhere. TB: The lack of targets is an issue I have with the Bolts, and one reason AL would be gone. We saw the force feeding the ball to Gordon when his tantrum ended, and it jacked a successful running game. KA gets the same treatment....love the player, but his sulking when he isn't getting targeted is weak. This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team.
Except that it is not, and I am telling you that it is not. You have to have a big leaguer QB to compete post-season. The current Division leaders are Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and Drew Brees.Ladies and gentlemen THATS NOT by accident. Wake up when I am holding school too. Ring the goddamn bell. I will also example this the other way for you. My Steelers buddies were getting excited. Pitt won some games and were in the wild card spot. I asked them "Is freaking Duck Hodges going to carry you through the post season ?" They are smart NFLers, and they got dead silent. Uh huh. Pitt had to play the other wild card team AT PITT. Hodges threw 4 interceptions in their loss. Book em Dano. Case closed.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 17, 2019 7:09:06 GMT -7
I've been a fan of Rivers for a long time but the last 5 games have convinced me he's done. I would not sign him to a new contract. If they play it right, they could bounce back next year. I'm not so sure the door has closed. Let Rivers go and you have a nice bunch of money to land some help for the OL, maybe a LB or DT. Then draft a #3 WR and see how much you can do with Tyrod at QB. He's not known for serving up picks and with a better OL he could put us back in the running. Exactly my stance 100% "QB hell" is irrelevant at this point because we are already there... Look on the bright side fellas and not the Ryan Leaf Charger side.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 17, 2019 7:11:58 GMT -7
This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team.
Except that it is not, and I am telling you that it is not. You have to have a big leaguer QB to compete post-season. The current Division leaders are Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and Drew Brees.Ladies and gentlemen THATS NOT by accident. Wake up when I am holding school too. Ring the goddamn bell. I will also example this the other way for you. My Steelers buddies were getting excited. Pitt won some games and were in the wild card spot. I asked them "Is freaking Duck Hodges going to carry you through the post season ?" They are smart NFLers, and they got dead silent. Uh huh. Pitt had to play the other wild card team AT PITT. Hodges threw 4 interceptions in their loss. Book em Dano. Case closed. That just shows me that the same teams (Houston as the exception) know how to stay competitive year after year. The Chargers on the other hand know how to be just good enough for a wild card spot. PR and the Oline is not the only issue, our BIGGEST problem is in the front office.
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Post by eaterfan on Dec 17, 2019 7:20:13 GMT -7
This is a good discussion to have. The game plan, calls were all over the place this year for sure. Lynn wanted pound, PR seems to want throw, Whiz I'm not sure. I figure he was scapegoated some due to trying to balance out the desires and wills of probably more than PR and Lynn including his own. then you bring in the kid OC. The packer game was a flash in the pan. After that, it went south. Through it all MW was not target much at all. Even when HH was out. Is that Lynn's fault? side note: For me the desire to run the game despite what has been called from Lynn or the OC, then to screw up in the process is another reason I am ready to move on from PR. I know he is better the Ty and Stick, but frankly its his inability to trust leadership and I think some players (my opinion) makes him not a good factor for the team. Plus I have said before the team has an opportunity to go youth and talent without the handicap of a franchise QB. That to me is a formula for a SB team.
Except that it is not, and I am telling you that it is not. You have to have a big leaguer QB to compete post-season. The current Division leaders are Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and Drew Brees.Ladies and gentlemen THATS NOT by accident. Wake up when I am holding school too. Ring the goddamn bell. I will also example this the other way for you. My Steelers buddies were getting excited. Pitt won some games and were in the wild card spot. I asked them "Is freaking Duck Hodges going to carry you through the post season ?" They are smart NFLers, and they got dead silent. Uh huh. Pitt had to play the other wild card team AT PITT. Hodges threw 4 interceptions in their loss. Book em Dano. Case closed. Literally half those guys are on Rookie deals. Baltimore moved on from their Superbowl winning QB to start Mahomes, KC moved on from Alex Smith, and Dallas moved on from their franchise QB, Romo. I think your argument helps his point. Add to that Brady takes significantly less than a franchise QB makes because his wife makes more money than he can and it further shows the value of a cheap QB.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 17, 2019 7:24:22 GMT -7
Except that it is not, and I am telling you that it is not. You have to have a big leaguer QB to compete post-season. The current Division leaders are Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and Drew Brees.Ladies and gentlemen THATS NOT by accident. Wake up when I am holding school too. Ring the goddamn bell. I will also example this the other way for you. My Steelers buddies were getting excited. Pitt won some games and were in the wild card spot. I asked them "Is freaking Duck Hodges going to carry you through the post season ?" They are smart NFLers, and they got dead silent. Uh huh. Pitt had to play the other wild card team AT PITT. Hodges threw 4 interceptions in their loss. Book em Dano. Case closed. Literally half those guys are on Rookie deals. Baltimore moved on from their Superbowl winning QB to start Mahomes, KC moved on from Alex Smith, and Dallas moved on from their franchise QB, Romo. I think your argument helps his point. The next point is WHEN you transition you have to hit on it. You have Rivers in your pocket, do you instead trust our front office to draft the next Mahomes ?
Well, do you ?
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 17, 2019 7:30:25 GMT -7
Its hard to argue a good QB in not a requirement. My hope is that we have a good QB who is not a franchise cap killer. that is what I am talking about. If Balt wins it all this year, it would prove my point too. Seattle did it with Wilson, Pilly did it with Goff/Foles, There are others. Its not the only way, I get that. but the bolts have an opportunity to go that route
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