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Post by frozendisc on Dec 23, 2019 9:09:58 GMT -7
So true, none of us 'know' the future. I want Rivers for another year, but that might mean a two year deal, so cost will influence the decision. I also would love to draft Herbert, let him sit and learn from Rivers for a year, then get his shot the following year. I got a funny feeling that Burrows, Tua and Herbert will all be gone top 5-6 picks, leaving the best option a very nice OT. We shall see..... I can appreciate your idea here, but I also think PR would be an expensive "coach" and/or eventual backup. To hold on to PR at this point in his career and contract just hurts the team overall IMHO. If they do end up resigning him I hope they can find a diamond tackle in round 2 or 3 and we see the Chargers from last year. Regardless... PR needs to get his head right, all those turnovers are less a talent issue than a mental one. Rivers will be expensive, but if the cost is 25 mil/yr or less, I roll will resigning him. After Burrows, the only QB I like is Herbert, if he is gone I take the best OL I see. Do that again in rd 2, and then it is OL,DL and ILB the rest of the way. I also would be a player in the FA market, i hate doing that, but it is a must take step to fix this OL. Rivers needs to be reeled in, in a number of ways, in my view. If Rivers is resistant to the criticism and plan moving forward, I would not resign him. Rivers' ability to read the defence, change the play, has flipped to becoming a detriment. Run the play as called, let the OC and DC play chess......
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 23, 2019 9:12:53 GMT -7
I can appreciate your idea here, but I also think PR would be an expensive "coach" and/or eventual backup. To hold on to PR at this point in his career and contract just hurts the team overall IMHO. If they do end up resigning him I hope they can find a diamond tackle in round 2 or 3 and we see the Chargers from last year. Regardless... PR needs to get his head right, all those turnovers are less a talent issue than a mental one. Rivers will be expensive, but if the cost is 25 mil/yr or less, I roll will resigning him. After Burrows, the only QB I like is Herbert, if he is gone I take the best OL I see. Do that again in rd 2, and then it is OL,DL and ILB the rest of the way. I also would be a player in the FA market, i hate doing that, but it is a must take step to fix this OL. Rivers needs to be reeled in, in a number of ways, in my view. If Rivers is resistant to the criticism and plan moving forward, I would not resign him. Rivers' ability to read the defence, change the play, has flipped to becoming a detriment. Run the play as called, let the OC and DC play chess...... I can get behind that. Food for thought: www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001091244/article/philip-rivers-not-ready-to-quit-i-know-i-can-still-do-it
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 23, 2019 9:17:34 GMT -7
It is all debatable, clearly.... If Taylor is so good, why would you use your 1st rd pick on a QB ? Rookie tackle.....who said anything about drafting an OT? You believe not resigning Rivers gives you the money to buy your OL, my comment simply says you cannot buy what is not available. No 1 or 2 players are responsible for a Super Bowl run, so your premise saying so is far fetched in my view. Taylor is a good place holder I don't know how else to say it more than I already have. I just said Taylor is not your franchise... Draft the future in the 1st. You have claimed the last few weeks and months that the biggest problem this offense has is the O line, now you are saying those 1 or 2 players wont get us a Superbowl? Now you are saying quality FA O-Oline is a pipe dream? I honestly believe we have nearly the same opinion, you just want to hold onto PR for some weird reason like he is magically going to change and after 17 years something will finally be different?? Let PR go and change this teams identity... The biggest detriment to this offence is the lack of talent in the OL group. The starting five yesterday should not be starting....... FA is a gamble, and it is rare that a club will not resign quality OL, so getting quality in FA is a challenge. What I hate though is you are almost assuredly over paying for the production you get. Is that a wise spending? This is where those GM's earn their big dollars.....making these decisions. TT's record on OL is not great..... I have no problem moving on from Rivers, it is going to happen in the next two years, I just question the timing of it. Move on, but be smart about it, or accept QB hell until you find that next franchise QB.
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Post by lazylightning on Dec 23, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -7
Taylor is not your franchise but he is a good QB. I bet Pittsburgh wishes they had him right now. I would trade Taylor for a fourth round pick; the bolts have been lucky with fourth rounders lately. The $$$ savings would probably go into Bosa's back pocket.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 23, 2019 9:25:26 GMT -7
Taylor is not your franchise but he is a good QB. I bet Pittsburgh wishes they had him right now. I would trade Taylor for a fourth round pick; the bolts have been lucky with fourth rounders lately. The $$$ savings would probably go into Bosa's back pocket. What do you know of Stick to make you think he is a capable back up? Taylor is a proven, cheap, insurance policy. If we somehow land a PR extension that is team friendly (which I still doubt is possible), draft a QB in the 1st and let Taylor/Stick fight for the 3rd spot.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 23, 2019 9:31:15 GMT -7
I would trade Taylor for a fourth round pick; the bolts have been lucky with fourth rounders lately. The $$$ savings would probably go into Bosa's back pocket. What do you know of Stick to make you think he is a capable back up? Taylor is a proven, cheap, insurance policy. If we somehow land a PR extension that is team friendly (which I still doubt is possible), draft a QB in the 1st and let Taylor/Stick fight for the 3rd spot. Yep.....Rivers at 25 mil/yr, drafting Herbert has him on ELC, then let that battle happen between Taylor and Stick. Definitely carry three QB's...
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Post by lazylightning on Dec 23, 2019 9:34:22 GMT -7
I would trade Taylor for a fourth round pick; the bolts have been lucky with fourth rounders lately. The $$$ savings would probably go into Bosa's back pocket. What do you know of Stick to make you think he is a capable back up? Taylor is a proven, cheap, insurance policy. If we somehow land a PR extension that is team friendly (which I still doubt is possible), draft a QB in the 1st and let Taylor/Stick fight for the 3rd spot. Do you see the bolts getting to the Superbowl with Taylor? I see a 9/7 season at best and that is only because of the strength of the supporting players. Taylor does not add anything next year; get what you can for him now. Rivers will be given an offer and he will sign it. Take that to the bank. I would like to see a QB picked at #6 ( if one is there) to sit and learn from Rivers for a season. If Rivers goes down, then the Rookie or Stick will get playing time and the bolts will be in line for another top ten pick.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 23, 2019 9:42:01 GMT -7
Tua is one of the most accurate college QB's that I have ever seen. So was Kellen Moore.......didn't translate to the next level. I have no idea if you know what you are talking about, but that was a great answer.
The only way it gets better is if you don't know what you are talking about. In any event, Nominated POTD.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 23, 2019 9:45:46 GMT -7
No, I would pass on drafting Tua for several reasons. The injury concern (hip), his height (6'1") and the fact he had an outstanding cast around him. Yes Tua had nice statistics, but that cast of talent around Tua gets me wondering just how off those statistics are. I think Tua is marginal, or even a bust, at the next level. I think the Bolts will be in the QB market this draft, and will take one, maybe even in round 1..... Resigning Rivers will give the club plenty of flexibility as they enter the draft. Tua is one of the most accurate college QB's that I have ever seen. I have also seen analysts say he's the "most NFL ready QB" in the draft. As fans, we need more time and analysis. Luckily and sadly, time is something we have now.
I have also heard he has all day with Bama's OL, and 3 first round draft pick WR's. But how in the hell does anyone know that those are knocks on him ? I am unconvinced that those things mean he's bad in the NFL. Just not feeling it.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 23, 2019 9:48:21 GMT -7
The problems or challenges I see in this approach are as follows: Taylor is not good, and as the losses pile up, there will be big pressure to play that QB you drafted. Like Rivers or not, failing to resign Rivers will leave the club vulnerable at QB. Not resigning Rivers will certainly give you plenty of money to spend, that is a fact. The concern is you cannot buy what is not available. (the high end OL talent you seek just doesn't get to FA status very often) Your approach might work, might not....but there is plenty of roll the dice in it. That is debatable... Taylor is not your franchise but he is a good QB. I bet Pittsburgh wishes they had him right now.Maybe it will maybe it won't... What's worse than where we are at right now??? PR is done. So you will put this teams Superbowl chances on a near 40 year old turn over machine and a rookie tackle??? Lol ok... Read that again.... That was a really good line. Good post.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 23, 2019 9:53:49 GMT -7
So was Kellen Moore.......didn't translate to the next level. I have no idea if you know what you are talking about, but that was a great answer.
The only way it gets better is if you don't know what you are talking about. In any event, Nominated POTD.
I have a very good friend out in Boise. He used to rant and rave about Moore, how great he was, and what a great pro he will be. In the end, too short at 6'1", and a lefty......pretty much killed it for him.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 23, 2019 9:54:38 GMT -7
Let pure Genius help BOTH the Herbert and Tua fans !!!!!! (Yes, only I can do it.)
Trade up to the 3rd pick of the draft, and you can have your choice of Tua or Herbert.
You might get away with our 1st and 2nd picks.
You are welcome. Love.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 23, 2019 10:12:05 GMT -7
So true, none of us 'know' the future. I want Rivers for another year, but that might mean a two year deal, so cost will influence the decision. I also would love to draft Herbert, let him sit and learn from Rivers for a year, then get his shot the following year. I got a funny feeling that Burrows, Tua and Herbert will all be gone top 5-6 picks, leaving the best option a very nice OT. We shall see..... I can appreciate your idea here, but I also think PR would be an expensive "coach" and/or eventual backup. To hold on to PR at this point in his career and contract just hurts the team overall IMHO. If they do end up resigning him I hope they can find a diamond tackle in round 2 or 3 and we see the Chargers from last year. Regardless... PR needs to get his head right, all those turnovers are less a talent issue than a mental one. Nominated.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 23, 2019 10:43:03 GMT -7
What do you know of Stick to make you think he is a capable back up? Taylor is a proven, cheap, insurance policy. If we somehow land a PR extension that is team friendly (which I still doubt is possible), draft a QB in the 1st and let Taylor/Stick fight for the 3rd spot. Do you see the bolts getting to the Superbowl with Taylor? I see a 9/7 season at best and that is only because of the strength of the supporting players. Taylor does not add anything next year; get what you can for him now. Rivers will be given an offer and he will sign it. Take that to the bank. I would like to see a QB picked at #6 ( if one is there) to sit and learn from Rivers for a season. If Rivers goes down, then the Rookie or Stick will get playing time and the bolts will be in line for another top ten pick. Lets all get something straight... To think this team is beating KC or Baltimore in the playoffs with almost any QB is wishful thinking. Mahomes and Jackson are the real deal and any future Chargers success will go through them. Although I still think Jackson will have a short career... He is reckless. This team will not see a Superbowl with PR or Taylor... BUT Taylor gives us a chance to build a team (specifically defense) around a potential young competitor to Mahomes and Jackson.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 23, 2019 11:03:12 GMT -7
Do you see the bolts getting to the Superbowl with Taylor? I see a 9/7 season at best and that is only because of the strength of the supporting players. Taylor does not add anything next year; get what you can for him now. Rivers will be given an offer and he will sign it. Take that to the bank. I would like to see a QB picked at #6 ( if one is there) to sit and learn from Rivers for a season. If Rivers goes down, then the Rookie or Stick will get playing time and the bolts will be in line for another top ten pick. Lets all get something straight... To think this team is beating KC or Baltimore in the playoffs with almost any QB is wishful thinking. Mahomes and Jackson are the real deal and any future Chargers success will go through them. Although I still think Jackson will have a short career... He is reckless. This team will not see a Superbowl with PR or Taylor... BUT Taylor gives us a chance to build a team (specifically defense) around a potential young competitor to Mahomes and Jackson. I could ask you a bunch of tough unfair questions about how you plan to spend the money saved by dumping Rivers and rolling with Taylor, but they are unfair. Suffice it to say, all GM's work to build the most talented roster they can, then turn it over to HC's that try to mold that group into a winning group each week. Only a single organization has managed to go undefeated, so it is fair to say both Mahomes and Jackson will lose at some point in the season.....so fear not, and be that team.
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